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RE: Freedom Center could close
Those poor, poor people wasting all that money on Riverfront development...tsk tsk tsk...who knew we had such a large collection of ignorant people investing millions of dollars on Riverfront projects aimed at spurring economic growth?

GAPB--a total bust...
PBS--no tenants...
USBank has stood empty for years...
Montgomery Inn...hasn't the boathouse been closed for over a decade now?

Newport on the Levee...stands empty...no viable businesses occupy it anymore...it's essentially a dust-bowl...

To think....all of these ventures would have prospered had they re-located just a few blocks south or north of the river! Like magic they would have been successful. It's that riverfront don'tcha know--weaving it's spell of failure for everything located on or near it.

I know...I've visited many riverfronts and have found them to be utterly deserted...the list is quite long:

New Orleans
http://frenchquarter.com/sightseeing/riverfront.php
http://www.nolanitelife.com/new-orleans-hotels/
Chicago
http://www.yelp.com/search?find_desc=Riv...cago%2C+IL
http://chicago.metromix.com/facets/bars-...iver_north
San Antonio
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/San_Antonio_River_Walk
Louisville
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louisville_Waterfront_Park
Here in the Queen City
St. Louis
http://www.gatewaynmra.org/stlouis/riverfront.htm
http://www.google.com/search?q=St.+Louis...73&bih=587
all throughout the Miami Dade area...
http://gomiami.about.com/od/bestofmiami/...s.--31.htm
http://www.google.com/search?q=Miami+riv...=firefox-a
have you looked at 3 rivers lately? It's completely barren!
http://www.city.pittsburgh.pa.us/rfp/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Waterfront

Better tell the people of Detroit what a mistake they are making:

http://experiencedetroit.com/riverfront.htm

I guess it's just a way to trick people into investing money in your concern--tell them it's on the riverfront and they'll pony up the money immediately....

Better tell this guy he's off his nut:

http://www.umich.edu/~econdev/waterfronts/

Of course...it does explain one thing...the reason the Freedom Center is failing....IT'S ON THE RIVERFRONT!
(This post was last modified: 12-25-2011 06:38 PM by converrl.)
12-24-2011 11:58 AM
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RE: Freedom Center could close
That's a lot of work you did there. To whom are you responding, what are you refuting, and what is your point?

(12-24-2011 11:58 AM)converrl Wrote:  Those poor, poor people wasting all that money on Riverfront development...tsk tsk tsk...who knew we had such a large collection of ignorant people investing millions of dollars on Riverfront projects aimed at spurring economic growth?

GAPB--a total bust...
PBS--no tenants...
USBank has stood empty for years...
Montgomery Inn...hasn't the boathouse been closed for over a decade now?

Newport on the Levee...stands empty...no viable businesses occupy it anymore...it's essentially a dust-bowl...

To think....all of these ventures would have prospered had they re-located just a few blocks south or north of the river! Like magic they would have been successful. It's that riverfront don'tcha know--weaving it's spell of failure for everything located on or near it.

I know...I've visited many riverfronts and have found them to be utterly deserted...the list is quite long:

New Orleans
http://frenchquarter.com/sightseeing/riverfront.php
http://www.nolanitelife.com/new-orleans-hotels/
Chicago
http://www.yelp.com/search?find_desc=Riv...cago%2C+IL
http://chicago.metromix.com/facets/bars-...iver_north
San Antonio
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/San_Antonio_River_Walk
Louisville
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louisville_Waterfront_Park
Here in the Queen City
St. Louis
http://www.gatewaynmra.org/stlouis/riverfront.htm
http://www.google.com/search?q=St.+Louis...73&bih=587
all throughout the Miami Dade area...
http://gomiami.about.com/od/bestofmiami/...s.--31.htm
http://www.google.com/search?q=Miami+riv...=firefox-a
have you looked at 3 rivers lately? It's completely barren!
http://www.city.pittsburgh.pa.us/rfp/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Waterfront

Better tell the people of Detroit what a mistake they are making:

http://experiencedetroit.com/riverfront.htm

I guess it's just a way to trick people into investing money in your concern--tell them it's on the riverfront and they'll pony up the money immediately....

Better tell this guy he's off his nut:

http://www.umich.edu/~econdev/waterfronts/

Of course...it does explain one thing...the reason the Freedom Center is failing....IT'S ON THE RIVERFRONT!
(This post was last modified: 12-27-2011 08:59 PM by BearcatsUC.)
12-27-2011 12:16 PM
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(12-27-2011 12:16 PM)BearcatsUC Wrote:  That's a lot of work you did there? To whom are you responding, what are you refuting, and what is your point?

I've been scanning the Wall Street Journal and have yet to find your opinion piece warning all those involved with riverfront development across the country that they are flushing their money down a rat-hole...

My conclusion from your posts was that riverfront property isn't intended for economic development of any kind....right?

The only projects that should be located on riverfronts are those with zero economic impact for said local community...initiatives such as parks or historic landmarks--leave the rest to erosion or flooding.

At least that's what I took away from it!
12-27-2011 12:50 PM
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(12-27-2011 12:50 PM)converrl Wrote:  
(12-27-2011 12:16 PM)BearcatsUC Wrote:  That's a lot of work you did there? To whom are you responding, what are you refuting, and what is your point?

I've been scanning the Wall Street Journal and have yet to find your opinion piece warning all those involved with riverfront development across the country that they are flushing their money down a rat-hole...

My conclusion from your posts was that riverfront property isn't intended for economic development of any kind....right?

The only projects that should be located on riverfronts are those with zero economic impact for said local community...initiatives such as parks or historic landmarks--leave the rest to erosion or flooding.

At least that's what I took away from it!

You didn't just build a strawman argument, you built a strawarmy argument.
12-27-2011 01:28 PM
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(12-21-2011 09:44 PM)converrl Wrote:  
(12-21-2011 01:09 PM)Crewdogz Wrote:  
(12-20-2011 03:24 PM)BearcatsUC Wrote:  
(12-19-2011 01:28 PM)Crewdogz Wrote:  I'd like to see those attendance numbers adjusted after removing mandatory student trips (busloads)

Why? Its mission is educational. My kid went and it seemed like he was engaged and learned something from it.

My children have been also, they've also been to the Harrisburg, PA Civil War museum which is almost as good in educational displays and content as the Freedom Center. For the school bus trips my children made they were not charged an admission at all. My oldest and I also got to tour the museum at no charge after the FREE DARFUR! rally on fountain square (where afterwards we all walked in solidarity to the museum).

My point in wanting the attendance numbers posted without the mandatory school bus trips is quite simple. I believe it will give a more accurate representation of the commercial viability of the museum; wouldn't you agree?

I can answer that for you--SUC doesn't think the economic benefit to the region outweighs the symbolism of placing the Freedom Center in the middle of prime riverfront real estate.

This....is not a surprise....

+1. The sooner the Freedom Center is shut down and the sooner that real estate is used wisely the better off Hamilton County will be.

It's a monumental waste of space and there is never anyone there. Every single time I walk by there when it is open it is a ghost town.

Also where are all these loud mouths like Oprah Winfrey, etc.. that said this entire place would be funded by private donations and gifts? All those big mouths disappeared into the wind the day after the place was opened. Everyone with any sense knew this is exactly what would happen before the place was built, but if you said anything about it you were termed a "racist" and all that other played-out garbage.
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(12-27-2011 01:28 PM)cpawfan Wrote:  
(12-27-2011 12:50 PM)converrl Wrote:  
(12-27-2011 12:16 PM)BearcatsUC Wrote:  That's a lot of work you did there? To whom are you responding, what are you refuting, and what is your point?

I've been scanning the Wall Street Journal and have yet to find your opinion piece warning all those involved with riverfront development across the country that they are flushing their money down a rat-hole...

My conclusion from your posts was that riverfront property isn't intended for economic development of any kind....right?

The only projects that should be located on riverfronts are those with zero economic impact for said local community...initiatives such as parks or historic landmarks--leave the rest to erosion or flooding.

At least that's what I took away from it!

You didn't just build a strawman argument, you built a strawarmy argument.

Then you'll have to enlighten me as to his acrimony towards the current projects lining either side of the river....
12-28-2011 12:31 AM
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Quote: The Cincinnati Museum Center will merge with the National Underground Railroad Freedom Center, a move that leaders say will improve the finances of both and create opportunity to reach new donors and develop new exhibits.

They will reduce payroll expense by sharing administrative work and eliminating redundancy in areas like human resources and finance. The savings will eliminate the Freedom Center’s $1.5 million annual budget shortfall and allow the Museum Center money to more quickly pay down its $8 million debt.
The Freedom Center will become the fourth wholly owned subsidiary of the Museum Center. Museum Center chief executive officer officer Douglass McDonald will be in charge of the entire operation. Freedom Center President and CEO Kim Robinson will report to McDonald.
No taxpayer dollars from the county operating levy for Union Terminal will flow to the Freedom Center, McDonald promised. Levy money is used only for maintenance, repair and operations of the Union Terminal building, which the Museum Center leases.
The organizations will remain separate with separate missions. The Museum Center – home of the Cincinnati History Museum, Duke Energy Children’s Museum and Museum of Natural History & Science – will remain in Union Terminal in Queensgate. The Freedom Center will stay on The Banks.
“I think this if going to bring stability to both organizations,” he said. “That will an enormous help, not just closing a budget, but in raising money.”
The leaders outlined benefits to both organizations:
• Cincinnati Museum Center will spread operating costs over two organizations allowing for savings it can apply to debt reduction. It also gets the cachet of the Freedom Center’s national brand when creating traveling exhibits, a moneymaker for the Museum Center, McDonald said.
• The National Underground Railroad Freedom Center gains financial stability. Donors have been hesitant to help the struggling institution but can now be assured of sustainability, Pepper said. It will also see enough cost savings to close a $1.5 million budget shortfall. It can benefit from the Museum Center’s expertise in producing traveling exhibits, generating new revenue for the Freedom Center.
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P&G president McDonald put merger plan in motionOn Oct. 10, Procter & Gamble Co.’s president and chief executive, Bob McDonald, called together in his office the Museum Center’s McDonald, who is no relation to him, and the Freedom Center Robinson.
Bob McDonald articulated what the museum heads already knew: Some donors wanted a merger. Could one work?
“The key is mind set,” said John Pepper, co-chair of the Freedom Center board and former P&G chairman CEO. “The key question is, ‘Do the financials hold?’ ”
They did.
McDonald lent a team of analysts from Procter & Gamble to review each organization’s records and potential terms of the merger. “They found that enough savings can be distributed across both organizations,” McDonald said.
In December the Freedom Center opened its books to The Enquirer, revealing a $1.5 million budget gap. Its leaders said the institution, hailed as a beacon to freedom worldwide, might have to close by the end of 2012. Asked about possible mergers, Freedom Center leaders said bringing in a tenant to its building on The Banks was a possibility.
Community leaders, politicians and philanthropists locally and nationally went on record in the Enquirer urging donors to come forward.
At the time, though, this deal was already being examined as a possible solution.
The negotiations and analysis remained secret for months as details were worked out. Even last week when asked by The Enquirer, both organizations denied working together.
Many details need to be sorted out, but the savings would come from “elimination of redundancies,” said A. Larry Fisk, chief financial officer of the Museum Center.
The Freedom Center had cut its number of full-time employees to 34, from 120. The Museum Center has 300 employees, full- and part-time. The merger will eliminate 4 percent to 4.5 percent of employees – about 15 positions. Other savings come from bulk purchasing.
Debt also played into making the decision.
The Freedom Center owns its building. Pepper and his family played a major role in retiring $27 million in debt in 2010. The Museum Center, however, is carrying $8 million in debt, and the savings on its end of the new arrangement should help it pay off additional pieces of the debt while interest rates are at all-time lows.

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Then came the votes.
The Freedom Center board approved a resolution Jan. 30 expressing intent to join Cincinnati Museum Center’s corporate structure. Ten days later the Cincinnati Museum Center board approved a resolution acknowledging that vote, promising to strengthen the delivery of the Freedom Center’s mission and authorizing its management to present the plan to the public.
Freedom Center will not receive taxpayer supportFrom its origins in the early 1990s, long before it broke ground on its building in 2002 and opened in 2004, Freedom Center leaders said they would not be taxpayer supported. That pledged changed, and the center received $20 million in federal, state, county and city money since its opening, a funnel that has closed to about $275,000 in 2012.
Hamilton County has provided just $15,350 since the Freedom Center opened.The new arrangement with the Museum Center will not open that faucet. Douglass McDonald said no county levy dollars will be used to support the Freedom Center.
The Cincinnati Museum Center has an operating levy which brings in about $3 million dollars a year. It costs the owner of a $100,000 home $5 a year. The Museum Center is also asking Hamilton County Commissioners to put a $150 million building repair levy on the November ballot. .
McDonald said the repair levy request is “separate” from the Freedom Center agreement and that there would be “no diversion of funds” to the Freedom Center.
“In no way will the tax levy be used for anything other than the Museum Center,” McDonald said.
The Freedom Center has worked in the past year to form partnerships or develop programs with colleges or other academic institutions. Among them is Historians Against Slavery, which is attempting to raise awareness of contemporary slavery and link it to historical slavery of African Americans.
“The merger provides an incredible amount of credibility locally,” said James Stewart, founder of Historians Against Slavery and history professor and Minnesota’s Macalester College. “The idea that the Freedom Center is now linked to an organization with deep roots in Cincinnati can help put the Freedom Center on solid ground in its hometown.”
A long-held criticism of the Freedom Center was that it was aloof and disconnected to the local black community.
Cincinnati NAACP President Christopher Smitherman, also a member of city council, praised the museum agreement.
“I think there will be shared services that will make the freedom center more financially viable,” Smitherman said. “I see this as a win for everybody. Everyone has assured there is no financial bleeding over from one institution to another.”

More Here: http://news.cincinnati.com/article/20120...r-to-merge
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About time.
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http://campaign2012.washingtonexaminer.c...eum/376906

Obama to break ground for national black museum

With eyes on his own personal legacy, President Obama revealed today that he will help in the groundbreaking of the nation's first African-American museum.

According to the White House, he will deliver the key remarks at the ceremony for the Smithsonian National Museum of African American History and Culture to be built on the National Mall. The ground breaking takes place February 22.

The event isn't open to the public, though it will be webcast. Also, the nation's first black president still hasn't chosen the site for his personal presidential museum.
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When are we getting one of those European American museums?
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