I don't know about other programs, but I feel that our powers that be would prefer that that the message board not exist. But they need to look at a message board as a barometer of fan interest in the program. If you have an active board, you have interest in the program. When fans ***** and gripe and talk about making changes in a program, the AD's should pay attention. I remember what they said in the army. When the troops are bitching and griping, things are allright. It's when they're not that it's time to begin worrying.

When the board is dead, as it is tonight, it tells me that some of our most loyal fans are totally disgusted with what's going on. I've never seen the board so quiet after losing a game. I would have thought that everyone on the board would have something to say, whether good or bad. Maybe when the dust settles, we'll get some more action.

(12-18-2011 12:10 AM)outsideualr Wrote:  I don't know about other programs, but I feel that our powers that be would prefer that that the message board not exist. But they need to look at a message board as a barometer of fan interest in the program. If you have an active board, you have interest in the program. When fans ***** and gripe and talk about making changes in a program, the AD's should pay attention. I remember what they said in the army. When the troops are bitching and griping, things are allright. It's when they're not that it's time to begin worrying.

When the board is dead, as it is tonight, it tells me that some of our most loyal fans are totally disgusted with what's going on. I've never seen the board so quiet after losing a game. I would have thought that everyone on the board would have something to say, whether good or bad. Maybe when the dust settles, we'll get some more action.

There's not a whole lot to say. Game went pretty much as expected. We don't have a leader or go to scorer in the clutch. We can't finish at this point. If we had Solo on this team, we'd have 4 more wins. I expected to lose down the stretch. Unfortunately, I believe the players did too. Until that changes, we won't win many games.

I felt the same way when we had a 12 point lead in the second half, I just knew we couldn't hold on to it. And if we both felt that way, it's probably true that the players and coaches are subconsciously feeling that way, just waiting for something bad to happen, and their fears are coming true. It's sad because the young men are playing very hard, and the coaches are certainly highly motivated to get on the winning track, but so far, it's not happening. But if we keep knocking on the door long enough, it's bound to open at some point......Isn't it?

(12-18-2011 12:10 AM)outsideualr Wrote:  I don't know about other programs, but I feel that our powers that be would prefer that that the message board not exist. But they need to look at a message board as a barometer of fan interest in the program. If you have an active board, you have interest in the program. When fans ***** and gripe and talk about making changes in a program, the AD's should pay attention. I remember what they said in the army. When the troops are bitching and griping, things are allright. It's when they're not that it's time to begin worrying.

When the board is dead, as it is tonight, it tells me that some of our most loyal fans are totally disgusted with what's going on. I've never seen the board so quiet after losing a game. I would have thought that everyone on the board would have something to say, whether good or bad. Maybe when the dust settles, we'll get some more action.

We don't have enough fans who care, to kick up any dust. And other than myself and you at times, the ones we have aren't going to kick any dust toward Shields.

Just let me buy my chicken fingers and all the games will be fun, win or lose.

(12-18-2011 05:02 PM)outsideualr Wrote:  Just let me buy my chicken fingers and all the games will be fun, win or lose.

I thought those were chicken "breasts", I didn't know they were fingers.
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Fingers. Breasts. I don't know. All I know is that it tastes good. Just put a bunch of ketchup on it, and I'm liking it.

If we had Solo on this team, we'd have 4 more wins.

If we had Solo on this team everyone would be bitching about him being a ball hog.

(12-20-2011 12:12 AM)ez272 Wrote:  If we had Solo on this team, we'd have 4 more wins.

If we had Solo on this team everyone would be bitching about him being a ball hog.

I think the bitching died down when he won POY. I think it stopped completely after he led us to the championship.

I think there were a few more responsible for winning the championship than Solo. He did his part. But without Dre's steal off of Josh White, and Matt's three pointer in the last few seconds, and the North Texas player missing a crucial free throw, there would have been no miracle shot; we'd have lost the tournament final, but we didn't, and Solo became the hero. But like LRTrojan, I'll try and be consistant in my views. I'm still not, nor never will be a great fan of Solo as some of you obviously are. I still think he was a selfish player. He played two years as a starter, was annointed by coaches and some fans as the star, and what was our regular season record for that two years? I think it was definitely a losing one, so I give Solo credit for making a miracle shot, which was probably as probable as the ORU guy making the shot the other night, but he wasn't a Michael Jordan who could elevate a team to greatness all by himself. He was one of the best players on a mediocre team who got lucky at the right time. Oh. I do want to give him credit for the body block he put on the North Texas player which enabled Matt to make the three pointer I previously mentioned. Do I think he could have been a great player? Absolutely. If he had ever developed the unselfish attitude of Derek Fisher and gave up the ball to others on a number of occasions, then I wouldn't be writing this. I'm not talking about his personal character. He is obviously a bright young man who received his degree and was working on an advanced degree. I applaud him and his family, who obviously set a good example for him for that accomplishment. I'm only judging, IMO, his attributes and contributions on the basketball court. Nothing else. And I wish him a long, healthy and successful life.

He was one of the best players on a mediocre team who got lucky at the right time.

Actually, he was voted the Player of the Year in the entire conference, not "one of the best players on a mediocre team". I don't know who did the voting, but they were likely more impartial than anyone on this board.

I think he averaged about 50% on 3 point shooting in the Sun Belt Conference. So him hitting a 3 pointer was not exactly "luck".

I generally think in a tournament setting the best team wins, whether or not they are "on paper" because cream usually rises to the top in those sorts of settings. I'm not quite sure I'm willing to concede yall were the best team last year, but you were certainly deserving despite your struggles throughout the season

On topic -- I thought Bozemon was a helluva player, though I actually think Tristan Thompson should've been the Tournament MVP, even with the loss in the finals.

(12-20-2011 11:18 AM)outsideualr Wrote:  I think there were a few more responsible for winning the championship than Solo. He did his part. But without Dre's steal off of Josh White, and Matt's three pointer in the last few seconds, and the North Texas player missing a crucial free throw, there would have been no miracle shot; we'd have lost the tournament final, but we didn't, and Solo became the hero. But like LRTrojan, I'll try and be consistant in my views. I'm still not, nor never will be a great fan of Solo as some of you obviously are. I still think he was a selfish player. He played two years as a starter, was annointed by coaches and some fans as the star, and what was our regular season record for that two years? I think it was definitely a losing one, so I give Solo credit for making a miracle shot, which was probably as probable as the ORU guy making the shot the other night, but he wasn't a Michael Jordan who could elevate a team to greatness all by himself. He was one of the best players on a mediocre team who got lucky at the right time. Oh. I do want to give him credit for the body block he put on the North Texas player which enabled Matt to make the three pointer I previously mentioned. Do I think he could have been a great player? Absolutely. If he had ever developed the unselfish attitude of Derek Fisher and gave up the ball to others on a number of occasions, then I wouldn't be writing this. I'm not talking about his personal character. He is obviously a bright young man who received his degree and was working on an advanced degree. I applaud him and his family, who obviously set a good example for him for that accomplishment. I'm only judging, IMO, his attributes and contributions on the basketball court. Nothing else. And I wish him a long, healthy and successful life.

Obviously, winning the championship was a team effort, but you are right in recognizing that the Sunbelt's coaches annointed him as the entire leauge's POY.

Great player make plays

Can't question that he made two great plays in that game. The last shot and the body block screen to free Matt up for the three point shot at the end of the game. I'll give credit where credit is due. A great player? That's up for debate.

(12-21-2011 09:39 AM)outsideualr Wrote:  A great player? That's up for debate.

Sure, that is subjective. But by the numbers, in his senior year, at least, Solo was a great player by LR standards.