(12-20-2011 08:59 PM)AtlanticLeague Wrote: (12-20-2011 07:42 PM)Hambone10 Wrote: (12-20-2011 07:02 PM)AtlanticLeague Wrote: (12-20-2011 06:17 PM)THE NC Herd Fan Wrote: Not sure from an atheist perspective why it would matter if a Christian thinks someone went to hell since it doesn't exist in the atheist world.
It doesn't matter. However, it is telling when christians take glee in the thought of someone being tortured for all eternity. Kinda makes the man's point.
Why? I didn't do it, but whoever said we were perfect?
Is it glee, or is it merely confidence/satisfaction. From a Christian's perspective, it is the ultimate proof.
proof of what?
Assume for a moment that Christians are right and this guy was wrong, because I said, from a Christian's perspective. He now knows he was wrong and they were right. All the arguing before is immaterial because the truth is now known to him.
(12-21-2011 11:28 AM)JOwl Wrote: (12-20-2011 06:07 PM)Hambone10 Wrote: (12-20-2011 02:30 PM)JOwl Wrote: (12-16-2011 03:56 PM)Rebel Wrote: I don't try to get into intellectual debates with atheists. I can't prove to them there is a God and they can't prove to me there isn't a God. I'd rather live and let live, but ******** like him aren't content with that. They're the ones having shitfits when someone puts up a nativity scene as if it's going to cause them to melt or give them a mental breakdown. I don't get offended by a Menorah or a crescent; atheists need to grow a set of nuts and realize that the world doesn't revolve around them.
Huh. Fully 15% of the posts on this thread talk about Hitchens ending up in Hell, and you find _atheists_ to be overbearing ********?
You know how many atheists have walked up to me and asked if I've truly pondered the lack of existence of Christ's love, or waved signs at me about how there's no God who wants me to act a certain way? Zero. Yet the opposites have happened multiple times with religious folks.
And you have no problem with crescents? So is that why you dropped the Herman Cain avatar -- a delayed reaction to this sort of foolishness: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/07/...n-mosques/
Well, yeah... that's what Christians believe. If you're an atheist, what do you care?
Rebel said:
"I don't try to get into intellectual debates with atheists... I'd rather live and let live, but ******** like him aren't content with that... atheists need to grow a set of nuts and realize that the world doesn't revolve around them."
I certainly don't care. Reb's the one with his panties in a bunch over the lack of "live and let live" from atheists -- I figured the Christians are probably really pissing him off too.
(12-20-2011 06:07 PM)Hambone10 Wrote: As far as he's concerned... he now KNOWS if he was right or not.
He's dead. He ceased knowing anything when he died. He certainly hasn't picked up any new knowledge.
Christians and many other religions (reincarnation/past lives) would disagree with you, and none of us can PROVE it. You're certainly entitled to that opinion.
Quote: (12-20-2011 06:07 PM)Hambone10 Wrote: As to atheists walking up to you and protesting or whatever... they don't NEED to. They hire lawyers and stop me from exercising my rights of expression.
Which rights of expression have you been stopped from exercising by lawyers? I'm interested in specific example.
Really?
Quote: (12-20-2011 06:07 PM)Hambone10 Wrote: I live in Texas, and though I've certainly had people knock on my door to witness to me, I've had more kids supposedly selling me magazine subscriptions that never show up. Every single day, somebody sends me an email trying to sell me something, yet I don't EVER remember getting one from someone telling me consumerism is bad. Why WOULD they?
I'm not following this. Are you saying that people selling stuff are more annoying than people with nothing to sell? I certainly agree with that.
well, that is true, because you don't have the right to not be inconvenienced by people... but my point was that atheists are the "anti-sellers" of the ad world. They don't generally advertise because that would require a belief system. It's an unrealistic comparison.
Quote: (12-20-2011 06:07 PM)Hambone10 Wrote: I've seen religious posters and protests, but FAR more anti-religious ones,
I'd like to hear some examples of the numerous anti-religious posters and protests you've seen in person.
The last demonstration related to religion that I saw was two guys on the corner of Main St and McKinney, holding signs saying "Homosexuality is a sin!", "Houston TX = Sodom + Gomorrah", and "Jesus Christ said marriage = 1 man + 1 woman"
How is any of this any different than "Vote Obama"? If you don't believe in sin or the bible or Jesus, what difference does it make whether someone's opinion is based in politics or religion??
Quote: (12-20-2011 06:07 PM)Hambone10 Wrote: or ones seeking to further limit my rights as a Christian... as this guy did.
What actions did Christopher Hitchens take to further limit your rights as a Christian?
I won't get into a quantitative debate, but certainly you'd agree that public displays of religion, whether they be nativity scenes on the square or references to God in a valedectorians speech are much less common today than just a few years ago, much less a generation or more. You can hang a picture of Santa Claus, but not Jesus in your school.... all because my expression of my beliefs somehow limits your ability to ignore them?
I'm a big believer in individual freedoms, including the freedom to ignore those things you don't agree with or believe in. With that comes the responsibility of doing that as well. What I mean is, if i wish you a merry Christmas, that is a wish of good will that I believe in. If YOU do it, assuming you are an atheist, you MAY just be playing devil's advocate) it REALLY isn't much of a wish is it? I get that it is nice to wish someone a happy "something THEY believe in" day, but we don't do that. We wish a happy generic day to be non-offensive. Really? I find that MORE offensive. If you don't believe in Jesus, then fine. Wish me a happy holiday because that is what it is to you. You're wishing me a good day. Would you take it as an insult if I wished you a Merry Christmas? That's what it is to me. Why can't i wish YOU a good day?
Don't get me wrong. People who force their belief system on others are wrong in my view... even if I believe in that system... I just don't think my children should be stopped from drawing a picture of Jesus at school to celebrate "the season" because it might offend other children.
