Sorry, forgot the mighty coogs were on the board.

(12-12-2011 05:35 PM)Eagleweiser Wrote:  Explain helpful to Boise, one year of AQ and probably will go through that season with a loss or two and might not even get to represent the east as champion, but will get the money. Then AQ goes away and Boise has paid the large exit fees, and gets a smaller portion of money from the east as they don't get the basketball money and on top of that dump their other sports. Where is that a win for Boise? The true win is for the Conference USA schools that got the all around money because Boise came on board and SDSU for just getting mentioned in a football discussion.

The win for Boise is the improved chances for better bowls that will come with an upgraded Big East schedule. Even if the Big East loses AQ - which is not a certainty - Boise is best off in the strongest football conference it can be associated with. They knew that. Their president said as much. That's why they made the move. Had Bose gone 11-1 this year vs a Big East schedule this year, they would have fared better than a bowl in Las Vegas.

(12-12-2011 05:41 PM)Eagleweiser Wrote:  Sorry, forgot the mighty coogs were on the board.

It's all in good fun. But even you would have to admit your posts are consistent in their bitterness.

I could be wrong but I would imagine if USM was in you would either be silent or if you were posting it would not be the anti-Big East campaign you throw up now.

I am not out pimpin the Big East but it is ironic to see the same people from the same schools post over and over again how terrible the Big East is.

I just don't see how anyone thinks the BE plan isn't working. First, no one know whether this deal thrives, survives, or dies until after a TV deal is cut. Too many things can happen between now and then. If the deal is $1 billion or more, which some pundits think possible, this deal worked pretty darn well because UConn, Louisville, Rutgers, Boise State, etc. have no reason to leave for the ACC, Big XII, or elsewhere.

If the Big East loses AQ status, how is any team involved hurt? Every single team in the BE will find a place to land. Those that left Conference USA or the Mountain West will be no worse off. The Mountain West, Conference USA, etc. will come running to take back the five new members. If the BE basketball only members choose to go their own way, then they will have no problem choosing where they go be it their own conference, the ACC, Atlantic 10, etc.

I just think its hysterical that not long ago everyone was predicting the death of the Big XII. I find it perfectly believable that by 2016, OU and OSU bolt for the SEC, Texas and Texas Tech bolt for the PAC-12, and West Virginia, Kansas, Kansas State, and Baylor end up in the new Big East. What I know is that those of us who have lived this for more than six months are ready to make this new Big East successful with or without AQ status!

Truly its not bitterness with me. I think maybe a combination of finding humor in some of the whacky situation that has become the east, a bit of pissed off that the playing field is not level, but can't change that. I think the thing that gets to the Southern Miss and probably ECU fans more than anything is seeing teams we played and hold better records against constantly move up due to large markets and then get the arrogant attitude of being better. Yeah, OK, you are in bigger market, we get that, but most are not better. There is not a single team moving to the east that has a longer winning tradition and history that Southern Miss has. We have the best BCS rankings outside of Boise State of any invited or discussed. We trail to only Florida and Virginia Tech for continuous winning seasons and Florida is in jeopardy of falling off that list in their bowl game. We have won more conference USA championships than the than any team from CUSA leaving and for that matter more than all three teams combined. We trail on ECU and UCF in attendance over the past ten years in the conference. So I would think you would understand how we look on the situation and understand our fan based being a little bit pissed off. Nothing bitter, just making the most out of the situation any way that we can, and sometimes that is with humor.

(12-12-2011 05:41 PM)Eagleweiser Wrote:  Sorry, forgot the mighty coogs were on the board.

Dude, you are way to funny.

I do what I can.

(12-12-2011 06:15 PM)Eagleweiser Wrote:  Truly its not bitterness with me. I think maybe a combination of finding humor in some of the whacky situation that has become the east, a bit of pissed off that the playing field is not level, but can't change that. I think the thing that gets to the Southern Miss and probably ECU fans more than anything is seeing teams we played and hold better records against constantly move up due to large markets and then get the arrogant attitude of being better. Yeah, OK, you are in bigger market, we get that, but most are not better. There is not a single team moving to the east that has a longer winning tradition and history that Southern Miss has. We have the best BCS rankings outside of Boise State of any invited or discussed. We trail to only Florida and Virginia Tech for continuous winning seasons and Florida is in jeopardy of falling off that list in their bowl game. We have won more conference USA championships than the than any team from CUSA leaving and for that matter more than all three teams combined. We trail on ECU and UCF in attendance over the past ten years in the conference. So I would think you would understand how we look on the situation and understand our fan based being a little bit pissed off. Nothing bitter, just making the most out of the situation any way that we can, and sometimes that is with humor.

Wow. That is incredible.

So, how is that undefeated season, conference championship and Sugar Bowl working out for you?

(12-12-2011 02:48 PM)HP-TBDPITL Wrote:  

(12-12-2011 02:34 PM)The Brown Bull Wrote:  Those are valid alternatives.

It seems that the BE is assuming that Boise State will continue to be a relavant, top 10 team for years to come. Obviously, that is a gamble. I am ok with it. But on the other hand....I think you can make an argument....that all would be better served with a more compact league.

I don't think you can really fault either course of action.

I think the overriding factor is someone in Providence has a TV executive in their ear telling them to go for it.

I believe as soon as Louisville and UConn get an invite to another league that the rest would be better served joining in with the Alliance. Go from two divisions to three and make it all sports. There is no need for schools like UCF/USF, Houston and Boise State to pander to a bunch of catholic schools from the Northeast. For this reason, I believe the Alliance is the way to go for the rest of the MWC and CUSA. There is no reason to dilute the product, just proceed with a merger. When the BE falls apart because of a few more defections, then merge into the Alliance.

But now Marinatto has you sign all of your TV rights into the "basketball" conference. So he can use you as leverage for more basketball TV $$$.
I hope the fans of these new schools understand what is really going on here...they are being used by schools like Seton Hall, St John's and Providence so they can promote their agenda.

I wonder when you'll tire of telling other people where their best interests lie. Especially given that you don't seem to understand what the whole point of college sports actually is.

What we understand: the Big East is a great opportunity to increase exposure for our school in every region in the nation. That's our agenda. That's what we're promoting.

When you talk about things like AQ tags, what other schools might are might not do, dismiss goals we share with other Big East schools as 'pandering' etc. it just demonstrates that you either don't understand the actual nature of the world around you or your emotions are getting the best of you.

(12-12-2011 06:15 PM)Eagleweiser Wrote:  Truly its not bitterness with me. I think maybe a combination of finding humor in some of the whacky situation that has become the east, a bit of pissed off that the playing field is not level, but can't change that. I think the thing that gets to the Southern Miss and probably ECU fans more than anything is seeing teams we played and hold better records against constantly move up due to large markets and then get the arrogant attitude of being better. Yeah, OK, you are in bigger market, we get that, but most are not better. There is not a single team moving to the east that has a longer winning tradition and history that Southern Miss has. We have the best BCS rankings outside of Boise State of any invited or discussed. We trail to only Florida and Virginia Tech for continuous winning seasons and Florida is in jeopardy of falling off that list in their bowl game. We have won more conference USA championships than the than any team from CUSA leaving and for that matter more than all three teams combined. We trail on ECU and UCF in attendance over the past ten years in the conference. So I would think you would understand how we look on the situation and understand our fan based being a little bit pissed off. Nothing bitter, just making the most out of the situation any way that we can, and sometimes that is with humor.

See you can say that but frankly you have never done anything to demonstrate that you could compete in a tougher league. Our success, in multiple sports, against top competition, predates a 15 year slump and 8 years of gradual improvement. But it does exist. None of the schools that aren't being added (or are being added, or that are already in the Big East for that matter) have ever had a period of success that rivals what UH did from the late 60s to 1990 in football. The same could be said for basketball regarding those not invited or those that were. We have demonstrated that we can do it. Until you have actually done that you are asking others to take it on faith. As you don't offer a large market or recruiting base this is a risky proposition.

I completely understand why you're upset, and I think you have a right to be. But don't dismiss the achievements or advantages other programs offer.

(12-12-2011 06:40 PM)Eagleweiser Wrote:  So, how is that undefeated season, conference championship and Sugar Bowl working out for you?

Actually quite well. The University Of Houston RICH History, the 4th largest city in the Country and our top 10 market are headed to the Big East. Sorry, but the devil made me say it. :ncaabbs: