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Weis in at KU Good hire or bad ?
Leach was 1st choice
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(12-08-2011 07:54 PM)big bad bull 30 Wrote:  Leach was 1st choice

Was Dave Doeren ever a real candidate?

We were soiling our shorts on the NIU board.

All NIU fans are glad that DD is staying. Thanks for not stealing him.
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prolly a good hire just have to wait and see
12-09-2011 02:44 AM
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I agree. Seems like a solid hire on paper

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RE: Weis in at KU Good hire or bad ?
Seems like as good a hire as Leach was at Washington State - he can go there with no media pressure as KU is 99% basketball focused.
12-09-2011 01:05 PM
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Time will tell.. I don't know. Kansas is one of the hardest jobs in the country.
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(12-09-2011 03:50 PM)wvucrazed Wrote:  Time will tell.. I don't know. Kansas is one of the hardest jobs in the country.

Kansas saying Weis will have 2-3 million for ass coaches , told to hire best staff possiable money is no object.

I LIKE THAT ALOT
12-10-2011 12:39 AM
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RE: Weis in at KU Good hire or bad ?
Money being no object will help Kansas. But I'm not so sure a retread who couldn't cut it the first time around is a good choice. Weis is going to have to prove himself to me, and I doubt he can do it...
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RE: Weis in at KU Good hire or bad ?
Weis said all the right things in his introductory press conference. Whether has has indeed learned from his ND experience remains to be seen. I do think it's hard to use ND as a barometer for success or failure elsewhere to some extent, because it's truly a unique situation. It has many advantages, but it has disadvantages as well. With this hire KU does show a high level of commitment, and it was probably a good idea to bring publicity to the program by hiring a "name" coach, even if he has flaws. As has been noted, KU is a tough place to win in football, so we were going to have to settle for an imperfect hire. We do have a pretty new and superb weight facility, and we also recently built a quality football office complex. We have a national brand to trade off. Admittedly that brand is built on hoops, but even so there is some name recognition/familiarity that could be helpful in recruiting, and if we can get some football wins under our belt it could help open doors.
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(12-12-2011 01:12 PM)BewareThePhog Wrote:  Weis said all the right things in his introductory press conference. Whether has has indeed learned from his ND experience remains to be seen. I do think it's hard to use ND as a barometer for success or failure elsewhere to some extent, because it's truly a unique situation. It has many advantages, but it has disadvantages as well. With this hire KU does show a high level of commitment, and it was probably a good idea to bring publicity to the program by hiring a "name" coach, even if he has flaws. As has been noted, KU is a tough place to win in football, so we were going to have to settle for an imperfect hire. We do have a pretty new and superb weight facility, and we also recently built a quality football office complex. We have a national brand to trade off. Admittedly that brand is built on hoops, but even so there is some name recognition/familiarity that could be helpful in recruiting, and if we can get some football wins under our belt it could help open doors.

Good point about ND, it is indeed a unique situation and can be uniquely difficult given the pressures and expectations.

At Kansas, if he gets them to a minor bowl game his first few years and seems to be showing progress or at least keeping them competitive, he could probably last a good 5 to 7 years, which would be a nice run. The question is whether or not Kansas fans would settle for that, or if the Orange Bowl run from a few years back has changed the expectations.
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(12-12-2011 04:55 PM)wvucrazed Wrote:  
(12-12-2011 01:12 PM)BewareThePhog Wrote:  Weis said all the right things in his introductory press conference. Whether has has indeed learned from his ND experience remains to be seen. I do think it's hard to use ND as a barometer for success or failure elsewhere to some extent, because it's truly a unique situation. It has many advantages, but it has disadvantages as well. With this hire KU does show a high level of commitment, and it was probably a good idea to bring publicity to the program by hiring a "name" coach, even if he has flaws. As has been noted, KU is a tough place to win in football, so we were going to have to settle for an imperfect hire. We do have a pretty new and superb weight facility, and we also recently built a quality football office complex. We have a national brand to trade off. Admittedly that brand is built on hoops, but even so there is some name recognition/familiarity that could be helpful in recruiting, and if we can get some football wins under our belt it could help open doors.

Good point about ND, it is indeed a unique situation and can be uniquely difficult given the pressures and expectations.

At Kansas, if he gets them to a minor bowl game his first few years and seems to be showing progress or at least keeping them competitive, he could probably last a good 5 to 7 years, which would be a nice run. The question is whether or not Kansas fans would settle for that, or if the Orange Bowl run from a few years back has changed the expectations.

I think most Kansas fans expect a top 25 team and Weis has around 3-4 years to accomplish this. With steady improvement on the way.
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I think most Kansas fans will be sadly dissappointed...
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I think that KU fans' expectations have definitely risen, and the level of interest has also increased. On a local message board, I'm seeing more traffic on the football side than the basketball side even after the hire was finally announced, and that's right after we beat #2 in hoops. There's definitely rising interest and expectations.

Having said that, I don't know how high those expectations are. I do think that it would absolutely encompass regular bowl trips, and a consistently winning team. I don't know if we'd expect Top 25 every single year, but we'd want to see it regularly. There's a short honeymoon for Weis to get the ball rolling, and supposedly he told a local radio station this morning that he's planning to be here 5 years and then turn it over to an assistant. If that's the case, I'm sure it will be interesting to see who he hires as his coordinators, as one of those would be the likely designated successor.
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(12-13-2011 01:09 PM)BewareThePhog Wrote:  I think that KU fans' expectations have definitely risen, and the level of interest has also increased. On a local message board, I'm seeing more traffic on the football side than the basketball side even after the hire was finally announced, and that's right after we beat #2 in hoops. There's definitely rising interest and expectations.

Having said that, I don't know how high those expectations are. I do think that it would absolutely encompass regular bowl trips, and a consistently winning team. I don't know if we'd expect Top 25 every single year, but we'd want to see it regularly. There's a short honeymoon for Weis to get the ball rolling, and supposedly he told a local radio station this morning that he's planning to be here 5 years and then turn it over to an assistant. If that's the case, I'm sure it will be interesting to see who he hires as his coordinators, as one of those would be the likely designated successor.

I expect Levitt to be hired as D- Cor in the near future , which would be outstanding.
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Leavitt would be a good D-Coordinator, but since he'd be 60 in 5 years I doubt that he'd be the designated successor if Weis leaves at that time.
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Yeah, and sometimes the notion of a designated successor doesn't work out quite the way it's intended. Things change, etc.
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Good point on the "designated successor" history. You never know when a better offer can come along, or the current coach decides that he wants to stay longer after all, or how much stability such a designation really creates. While his declaration of a 5 year window shows honesty on his part, from the start it does create some recruiting vulnerabilities. I'm eager to see what will happen with the completion of his staff.
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I hope Weis works out well For KU... So I think it's a lot better hired then Turner Gill was; and i was a fan of his...

But making bowls in the Big 12 should be look good upon..couple top 25 season be fantastic, but this Conference going be hard...

There has been A lot more fan interested in the Football team, so that's always good, even when it's basketball season..

I'll trade off 2 looses a year to the basketball team, for the 1 win a year in football.. All the best KU fans..
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Gill is a good man. It just seems that he's not suited for this level of competition. KU has had a recent series of yin-yang coaching hires. We have had a series of "nice guy" coaches who fare poorly, followed by disciplinarians who had greater success but who did not stay for the long term for one reason or another. We've made some serious commitments in facilities to help the program, so if someone can have success without having off-the-field issues, it should be more attractive as a longer-term destination.

I wish we hadn't lost some long-term conference members in recent years, but I'm excited about the Frogs and Mountaineers joining the league. It should be fun.

Edited to add: Whatever happens on the field this fall, there's no doubt that Weis' hire has raised the level of interest among fans. Using the KUSports.com message boards as a quick barometer of interest, it used to be that off-season basketball drew more viewers than in-season football. In the last several weeks, it has consistently been the opposite, with the football board drawing more traffic than the in-season hoops board.
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He already brought in 2 QB's, if these guys live up to thier billing, he covered for next 3 yrs
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