Next season, if you could choose between having your team finish with at least 10 wins, make a bowl game, and maybe end up ranked in the top 25 and know you would lose your coach, or not know what record you will have , and keep him, which would you choose today?

Asked most ASU fans last season, after never getting more than 6 wins as an FBS, program and I think they would have taken the wins and bowl game.

The reality is any SBC coach with 9 wins who is not at Troy is probably gone.

Seminole....forgive me for interrupting your thread.....but can I expand upon it?

Would you rather have one season of 10-11 wins and a bowl....followed by losing 4 seasons (rebuilding)?

Or 5 seasons of mediocrity (5-7, 6-6, 7-5, 7-5, 5-7)?

(12-07-2011 04:08 PM)Fanof49ASU Wrote:  Seminole....forgive me for interrupting your thread.....but can I expand upon it?

Would you rather have one season of 10-11 wins and a bowl....followed by losing 4 seasons (rebuilding)?

Or 5 seasons of mediocrity (5-7, 6-6, 7-5, 7-5, 5-7)?

I would pick the 5 mediocre seasons, over 1 great season followed by mostly 1-11 and 2-10 seasons. Those aren't rebuilding seasons, those are fire your coach seasons.

(12-07-2011 03:29 PM)Seminole Indian Wrote:  Next season, if you could choose between having your team finish with at least 10 wins, make a bowl game, and maybe end up ranked in the top 25 and know you would lose your coach, or not know what record you will have , and keep him, which would you choose today?

The reality is any SBC coach with 9 wins who is not at Troy is probably gone.

I think at this point, the best possible situation for Troy fans would be for that to happen. Let Blakeney go out on a high note (assuming retirement, not moving on to another job here). Show the fanbase that this year was a fluke, the down year we've all known was coming at some point but didn't want to accept, the product of youth/injuries/poor coaching, etc.

But if somehow Troy were to squeak out a 7-1 SBC record, and either split or win both home non conference games, possibly beat Tennessee (there's a chance with they way they've played this year), beat UAB, and get to a bowl game with 9 or 10 wins, it would be the perfect time to pass the torch.

I hope that WKU has done the smart thing to keep taggart and we can keep above .500 in the furture and not go through that again with football during his tenure. Fact is if you taste a great season it hurts that much more if you can't match it the next year and makes for lots of disappointment (WKU men's basketball now) , but if your team stays avg and don't really have a losing season but also don't win enough to lose a coach ...... You don't have anything to be hurt over

(12-07-2011 04:57 PM)wkuhilltopperfan Wrote:  but if your team stays avg and don't really have a losing season but also don't win enough to lose a coach ...... You don't have anything to be hurt over

except cheering for mediocrity.

If you win 10+ games enjoy it. If you coach leaves, it suckes. If you have won 10+ games you have elevated your program and should get better recruits, better coaches, should have more money to pay for said coaches.

Also if you have a good AD then you should be able to sustain success over a long period, even you do lose a coach or two over the years.

I pick having 10 wins and getting rid of Blakeney. That's a win-win.

(12-07-2011 05:35 PM)Paul of Troy Wrote:  I pick having 10 wins and getting rid of Blakeney. That's a win-win.

I never saw blakeney as a huge detriment to our program. Maybe that's just me.

(12-07-2011 04:08 PM)Fanof49ASU Wrote:  Seminole....forgive me for interrupting your thread.....but can I expand upon it?

Would you rather have one season of 10-11 wins and a bowl....followed by losing 4 seasons (rebuilding)?

Or 5 seasons of mediocrity (5-7, 6-6, 7-5, 7-5, 5-7)?

I'm assuming you are saying 'No' to the 10-11 wins, bowl game, and possible Top 25 ranking, because of the risk of having to rebuild for several years, right?

(12-07-2011 05:20 PM)TrojanNation Wrote:  

(12-07-2011 04:57 PM)wkuhilltopperfan Wrote:  but if your team stays avg and don't really have a losing season but also don't win enough to lose a coach ...... You don't have anything to be hurt over

except cheering for mediocrity.

If you win 10+ games enjoy it. If you coach leaves, it suckes. If you have won 10+ games you have elevated your program and should get better recruits, better coaches, should have more money to pay for said coaches.

Also if you have a good AD then you should be able to sustain success over a long period, even you do lose a coach or two over the years.

IMO unless you are a fan of a program that wins big regularly, or the NCAA comes back and takes everything away because of some violation take, the big season because it is something you can build on. Not many programs ever get that chance at such a season.

ASU fans will be talking about the season for years and no one will care who the coach was.

(12-07-2011 08:40 PM)Seminole Indian Wrote:  

(12-07-2011 05:20 PM)TrojanNation Wrote:  

(12-07-2011 04:57 PM)wkuhilltopperfan Wrote:  but if your team stays avg and don't really have a losing season but also don't win enough to lose a coach ...... You don't have anything to be hurt over

except cheering for mediocrity.

If you win 10+ games enjoy it. If you coach leaves, it suckes. If you have won 10+ games you have elevated your program and should get better recruits, better coaches, should have more money to pay for said coaches.

Also if you have a good AD then you should be able to sustain success over a long period, even you do lose a coach or two over the years.

IMO unless you are a fan of a program that wins big regularly, or the NCAA comes back and takes everything away because of some violation take, the big season because it is something you can build on. Not many programs ever get that chance at such a season.

ASU fans will be talking about the season for years and no one will care who the coach was.

WKU won the 1AA title back in 2002 and fell big afterwards and it sucked! The same goes after the back to back tourney runs in basketball to what we are doing now. WKU expects to be the best all the time and when it dont go our way ......well everybody gets to hear it lol

(12-07-2011 08:27 PM)Seminole Indian Wrote:  I'm assuming you are saying 'No' to the 10-11 wins, bowl game, and possible Top 25 ranking, because of the risk of having to rebuild for several years, right?

No....I'd take the 10 wins in a heart beat.

I'm assuming that you would lose that coach, and have to break in another one.

(12-07-2011 09:08 PM)Fanof49ASU Wrote:  

(12-07-2011 08:27 PM)Seminole Indian Wrote:  I'm assuming you are saying 'No' to the 10-11 wins, bowl game, and possible Top 25 ranking, because of the risk of having to rebuild for several years, right?

No....I'd take the 10 wins in a heart beat.

I'm assuming that you would lose that coach, and have to break in another one.

Got you! Heck the long time fans would probably take 10-11 wins no matter what happened because they have talked all they can about the 70, 75 and the playoff 86 teams.

The Cajuns and stAte got real lucky with their hires this year.
That almost never happens....so I don't figure lightning will strike twice.

(12-07-2011 11:17 PM)Fanof49ASU Wrote:  The Cajuns and stAte got real lucky with their hires this year.
That almost never happens....so I don't figure lightning will strike twice.

I think ASU will get a very good HC this go around. Just hope they can put together as strong a staff because this one was outstanding.

ULM hasn't had a winning season since joining FBS in 1994. I would take just about anything if it would produce a winning season....Now once I know what it feels like to have a couple of winning seasons, I may change my mind, but right now that's all I want.

(12-07-2011 09:04 PM)wkuhilltopperfan Wrote:  WKU expects to be the best all the time and when it dont go our way ......well everybody gets to hear it lol

Yes, Troy is going through that right now. gotroytrojans.com has been in uproar all season long.