(12-06-2011 07:32 PM)SF Husky Wrote:  

(12-06-2011 06:49 PM)Comet Wrote:  What the Big East will have going for it isn't so much the caliber of football brands, but the fact that NBC/Comcast wants to get in on some college sports. That point alone will probably inflate the value of the tv deal quite a bit than what it's actually worth.

Multiple factors that will drive up the TV value:

1. TV markets - BE got some nice TV markets
2. Timing - NBC/COMCAST is dying for some TV content
3. Championship game - It will add some $$$$$
4. Able to provide games across multiple time zones - Some fans might think it makes no sense to havea conference across the country, but the ability to provide games all day from 9AM to 5PM could be an advantage to a national network like NBC/Comcast.
5. Should be some interesting East/West match ups that will draw some crowds from East and West coasts. EX: I would like to see how UCONN would match up against Boise St.
6. We still play some fine basketball with some big time national teams even without Pitt and Cuse.

I think you nailed it and #4 is the key. You have content to schedule all day and into the evening on the West Coast with a nationwide conference.

The problem I see with the UConn - Rutgers to ACC idea.....was if that is what ESPN wants.....why would they have waited?

Sure the BE could implode.....but once you add UCF, UH, SMU, BSU and SDSU.....the chances of the league falling apart are small. This process has played out over what.......3 or 4 months maybe. Once those schools are added....even without UConn and Rutgers....everyone would still be stuck with each other. Then Temple and Memphis would be added as all sports members and you would be still in the same situation more or less.

(12-06-2011 08:19 PM)ArQ Wrote:  

(12-06-2011 06:56 PM)Cubanbull Wrote:  It will be interesting to see what ESPN offers or will they be willing to lose the Big East to NBC.

ESPN prefer killing Big East to engaging a bidding war with Comcast/NBC.

ESPN is run by a group of smart people. Of all the six BCS conferences, ESPN only controls ACC 100%. We may see ACC invite UConn and Rutger/Louisville just for the sake of killing Big East even they don't get Notre Dame. Right now ACC people are saying Notre Dame could come as the 17th member of ACC. Wow, that is now superconference size plus one!

ACC/ESPN can't kill the BE after we add the western schools. Once we're officially coast to coast, every non-AQ school in the country becomes a realistic expansion candidate.

After the impending western expansion, the only thing that can kill the BE is the BE itself.

(12-06-2011 06:49 PM)Comet Wrote:  What the Big East will have going for it isn't so much the caliber of football brands, but the fact that NBC/Comcast wants to get in on some college sports. That point alone will probably inflate the value of the tv deal quite a bit than what it's actually worth.

NBC/Comcast would like to add Big East football with its existing Notre Dame football package. If I am the Big East, I would want to get a game on NBC's regular channel plus a couple of games on its Versus (soon to be NBC Sports) channel. With the expanded time zones NBC could have multiple Big East games on its sports channel on Saturdays. Good for the Big East and good for NBC. A win win situation for both.

(12-06-2011 11:00 PM)Tampa Bearcat Wrote:  

(12-06-2011 08:19 PM)ArQ Wrote:  

(12-06-2011 06:56 PM)Cubanbull Wrote:  It will be interesting to see what ESPN offers or will they be willing to lose the Big East to NBC.

ESPN prefer killing Big East to engaging a bidding war with Comcast/NBC.

ESPN is run by a group of smart people. Of all the six BCS conferences, ESPN only controls ACC 100%. We may see ACC invite UConn and Rutger/Louisville just for the sake of killing Big East even they don't get Notre Dame. Right now ACC people are saying Notre Dame could come as the 17th member of ACC. Wow, that is now superconference size plus one!

ACC/ESPN can't kill the BE after we add the western schools. Once we're officially coast to coast, every non-AQ school in the country becomes a realistic expansion candidate.

After the impending western expansion, the only thing that can kill the BE is the BE itself.

I agree, T.B.. If these schools are the expansion teams, then the Big East remains intact. The football will be decent and the basketball will still be the deepest conference.

Ignore people expecting Rutgers and UConn to get ACC invites soon. From the sources I read, the ACC and B1G are awaiting ND and as long as ND is not forced to join a conference, they will enjoy their independence, which further strengthens the Big East.

Good luck. Still cheering on the Big East.

(12-06-2011 06:56 PM)Cubanbull Wrote:  It will be interesting to see what ESPN offers or will they be willing to lose the Big East to NBC.

That's the key right there. NBC/Comcast isn't going to pay an artificially over inflated price. The "value" will be determined by the "market", essentially what other suitors (ie, ESPN) are willing to pay for the product. We can only hope there will be some sort of bidding war and that may happen given some of the shenanigans ESPN/Fox may have been up to. And hopefully NBC is willing to pay to stick it to ESPN.

(12-07-2011 12:10 AM)motown monty Wrote:  

(12-06-2011 06:56 PM)Cubanbull Wrote:  It will be interesting to see what ESPN offers or will they be willing to lose the Big East to NBC.

That's the key right there. NBC/Comcast isn't going to pay an artificially over inflated price. The "value" will be determined by the "market", essentially what other suitors (ie, ESPN) are willing to pay for the product. We can only hope there will be some sort of bidding war and that may happen given some of the shenanigans ESPN/Fox may have been up to. And hopefully NBC is willing to pay to stick it to ESPN.

NBC will pay what they need to pay. A couple of weeks ago, while ABC had college football on, I noticed NBC was showing ice skating. NBC isnt stupid. If they want a sports channel, they have got to get legitimate content---and they know it.

The money potential to the Aztecs (and all Big East schools) is enormous.

Big East TV money, ESPN money (because of the East Coast) and now TV money, ESPN money because of the added West Coast SoCal interst in the Big East.

For you long time Big East fans, here is the ultimate goal.

WE TURN ALL OF SOCAL (from Santa Barbara to Tijuana) INTO BIG EAST COUNTRY and in the process to stomp on the Pac 12 in recruiting and popularity.

Take SOCAL away from the Pac 12!!! The Pac 12 are egotistical pretenders.

The Big East will have teams in all 4 time zones and can have 4 back to back f/b games. Package this with Notre Dame football on NBC, this could be just what NBC/Comcast needs to add value to their sports tv package.

(12-07-2011 11:49 PM)RUfan03 Wrote:  The Big East will have teams in all 4 time zones and can have 4 back to back f/b games. Package this with Notre Dame football on NBC, this could be just what NBC/Comcast needs to add value to their sports tv package.

See my #4 point above. Marinatto also mentioned on the conference call today that 4 games back to back is very attractive to future TV partners. The conference is set up for NBC/Comcast.

(12-07-2011 11:58 AM)SteveAztec Wrote:  The money potential to the Aztecs (and all Big East schools) is enormous.

Big East TV money, ESPN money (because of the East Coast) and now TV money, ESPN money because of the added West Coast SoCal interst in the Big East.

For you long time Big East fans, here is the ultimate goal.

WE TURN ALL OF SOCAL (from Santa Barbara to Tijuana) INTO BIG EAST COUNTRY and in the process to stomp on the Pac 12 in recruiting and popularity.

Take SOCAL away from the Pac 12!!! The Pac 12 are egotistical pretenders.

Most PAC-12 fans are fair weather fans. If their team play well, they show up. Otherwise, they don't.

(12-08-2011 12:04 AM)SF Husky Wrote:  

(12-07-2011 11:58 AM)SteveAztec Wrote:  The money potential to the Aztecs (and all Big East schools) is enormous.

Big East TV money, ESPN money (because of the East Coast) and now TV money, ESPN money because of the added West Coast SoCal interst in the Big East.

For you long time Big East fans, here is the ultimate goal.

WE TURN ALL OF SOCAL (from Santa Barbara to Tijuana) INTO BIG EAST COUNTRY and in the process to stomp on the Pac 12 in recruiting and popularity.

Take SOCAL away from the Pac 12!!! The Pac 12 are egotistical pretenders.

Most PAC-12 fans are fair weather fans. If their team play well, they show up. Otherwise, they don't.

Case in point, look at Pac-12 basketball attendance, it's atrocious this year. Ucla is playing in the L.A. Sports Arena (near the USC campus) as Pauley undergoes renovations but I don't think they are even averaging 5,000, Stanford and Cal are no better, although to be fair to Stanford Maples only holds about 7,000. SC? They aren't drawing flies at there relatively new on campus arena. SDSU is blowing away EVERY West Coast school in attendance, averaging 12,090 (12,414 capacity).

I think it will play out that the Big East gets a game on NBC during weekends when Notre Dame is away. There will be triple-headers or quadruple-headers on NBC Sports Channel every weekend. Big East basketball will dominate the schedule all winter long. I would even look for them to show Big East lacrosse in the Spring.

The other mainstays on NBC Sports Channel will probably be the NHL, MMA, MLS, and the occasional outdoor sport that harks back to the station's past. In 2012, of course, there will be hours and hours of coverage dedicated to the Olympics before, during, and after the big extravaganza in London. ESPN is on the way down.

I think the new Big East can maybe squeeze 8mil-ish out of a new TV deal.

(12-06-2011 07:15 PM)BJUnklFkr Wrote:  

(12-06-2011 06:56 PM)Cubanbull Wrote:  It will be interesting to see what ESPN offers or will they be willing to lose the Big East to NBC.

IMO, it's a foregone conclusion that we'll see a move to Comcast. Wasn't that BYU's biggest sticking point (or one of their top 3).

I think that ND will be or has been involved in extensive talks with NBC as the third party "broker" for the Big East.

ND is not part of the Big East agreement with ESPN but has to be careful about tortious interference with contract issues.

However, talking hypothetically about a future deal with NBC after the ESPN deal expires may be a different matter, in my opinion.

(12-07-2011 11:49 PM)RUfan03 Wrote:  The Big East will have teams in all 4 time zones and can have 4 back to back f/b games. Package this with Notre Dame football on NBC, this could be just what NBC/Comcast needs to add value to their sports tv package.

ND's President still leads the Big East expansion committee, no?

I am going to assume that such discussions were part of the analysis of which teams to add.

Until evidence to the contrary is presented, I am going to assume that ND is heavily involved in the football expansion and possible NBC/Comcast issues.

I like that Tagliabue is involved. That guy knows a thing or two about building a football TV product and getting paid for it.

(12-06-2011 07:32 PM)SF Husky Wrote:  Multiple factors that will drive up the TV value:
3. Championship game - It will add some $$$$$

Realistically, this will be chump change. If they are lucky, they will get
$5 million for this game, and that is if they are very lucky. When you are talking about a potential $175 - $200 million deal, that really is nothing.

(12-06-2011 07:41 PM)KnightTower Wrote:  Remember, this is WITHOUT bball money.

Just was going to add that. The SDST number is the projected football value of the contract, which history has shown at best would be half of the contract (maybe as low as 1/3).

(12-06-2011 11:30 PM)RUfan03 Wrote:  NBC/Comcast would like to add Big East football with its existing Notre Dame football package. If I am the Big East, I would want to get a game on NBC's regular channel plus a couple of games on its Versus (soon to be NBC Sports) channel.

Most likely, there would not be many, if any, games on NBC OTA. However, you could see some games on USA, which is just as good if not better as there is no chance of local preemption - my local NBC station used to pawn off ND games to the My Network TV affiliate). I would like to see, if NBC is the suitor, the BE convince NBC to give them G4 to be converted into the BE Network. They nearly sold it to UFC earlier this year, so they should be up to the idea. Not only does it guarantee 65 million homes to start with, but it already has a program base that can be used the first couple of years during the day while the network is trying to get up and running. Comcast is doing a lot to help WWE (they are TV partners) get their network up and running, and that is starting from the ground floor. This would be much easier to do.

(12-08-2011 11:28 AM)adcorbett Wrote:  

(12-06-2011 07:41 PM)KnightTower Wrote:  Remember, this is WITHOUT bball money.

Just was going to add that. The SDST number is the projected football value of the contract, which history has shown at best would be half of the contract (maybe as low as 1/3).

It'll be interesting to see how the basketball side is impacted with the losses compared to additions for all sports, plus taking into account the rise in all media rights deals recently.

I think the key is going to be the third tier outlet. Is is a conference network? Is the bid joint with Turner. Is it Turner/CBS instead of Comcast? Those I think will be the key to determine if each team (all sports) gets $10 mil per year, or if it's as high as $15 mil or even more.