How do we think the last three years would have played out?

Healthcare reform?
Libya?
Iraq?
Afghanistan?
Finance Industry Reform?
Supreme Court Appointees?
Stimulus?
Bush Tax Cuts?
Deficit reduction plan?
Gulf Oil Spill response?
Bin Laden?

Pretty much the same except there would be no health care mandate, and we'd probably be in even more wars/conflicts/"humanitarian missions" than Obama has gotten us into.

(11-30-2011 09:56 AM)BlazerFan11 Wrote:  Pretty much the same except there would be no health care mandate, and we'd probably be in even more wars/conflicts/"humanitarian missions" than Obama has gotten us into.

This.

(11-30-2011 10:05 AM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(11-30-2011 09:56 AM)BlazerFan11 Wrote:  Pretty much the same except there would be no health care mandate, and we'd probably be in even more wars/conflicts/"humanitarian missions" than Obama has gotten us into.

This.

So if it really didn't matter whether Obama or McCain won, isn't the GOP better off with Obama winning? This way they can try to boot him out in 2012 as opposed to having to support McCain if he ran for another term.

(11-30-2011 10:10 AM)AtlanticLeague Wrote:  

(11-30-2011 10:05 AM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(11-30-2011 09:56 AM)BlazerFan11 Wrote:  Pretty much the same except there would be no health care mandate, and we'd probably be in even more wars/conflicts/"humanitarian missions" than Obama has gotten us into.

This.

So if it really didn't matter whether Obama or McCain won, isn't the GOP better off with Obama winning? This way they can try to boot him out in 2012 as opposed to having to support McCain if he ran for another term.

At this point...both gangs have screwed the country up so badly that it really makes no difference who is in charge. They both suck ass. I have zero confidence that ANY of our current leadership is capable of putting aside their little turf wars and actually doing anything positive for America. We are truly f'ed.

• An increased concentration on following the principles of limited government
• The elimination of 35% of the federal government
• The encouragement of free enterprise and entrepreneurship
• A balanced budget amendment
• Ability to line item veto
• Increased clarity to the tax code
• A reduction in overseas military interventions
• A large tax cut to the middle class
• Unemployment at 5%
• An increased focus on state’s rights
• More drilling and fracking permits
• Very limited federal government involvement in social issues
• Strengthening of private property rights
• Strengthening of gun ownership rights





Well, one can hope.

(11-30-2011 10:42 AM)Lord Stanley Wrote:  • A reduction in overseas military interventions
• Very limited federal government involvement in social issues

Who controls the house and senate when we assume McCain Palin win?

(11-30-2011 11:05 AM)SumOfAllFears Wrote:  Who controls the house and senate when we assume McCain Palin win?

Good point. You'd have to discount the Tea Party fervor that stemmed from Obama's 2008 victory and contributed to some house and senate victories for the GOP.

Dems probably would have kept both in 2010.

(11-30-2011 09:56 AM)BlazerFan11 Wrote:  Pretty much the same except there would be no health care mandate, and we'd probably be in even more wars/conflicts/"humanitarian missions" than Obama has gotten us into.

Doubt the Supreme Court apointees would have been the same.

(11-30-2011 11:05 AM)SumOfAllFears Wrote:  Who controls the house and senate when we assume McCain Palin win?

Probably the Dems with very large margins in both houses. Historically, the midterms in a Presidents first term are not pretty for his party. They almost always lose some seats and most landslides occur during that period. 2010, 1994, 1990, 1982, 1946 as examples.

I assume we would live on a rock candy mountain and ride marshmallow ponies over a rainbow.

(11-30-2011 02:01 PM)Mr. Peanut Wrote:  I assume we would live on a rock candy mountain and ride marshmallow ponies over a rainbow.

That was the Obama platform.

Libya would've probably been a little more involving.

(11-30-2011 02:22 PM)DrTorch Wrote:  

(11-30-2011 02:01 PM)Mr. Peanut Wrote:  I assume we would live on a rock candy mountain and ride marshmallow ponies over a rainbow.

That was the Obama platform.

Obama rode a unicorn, not a pony.

(11-30-2011 02:51 PM)Lord Stanley Wrote:  

(11-30-2011 02:22 PM)DrTorch Wrote:  

(11-30-2011 02:01 PM)Mr. Peanut Wrote:  I assume we would live on a rock candy mountain and ride marshmallow ponies over a rainbow.

That was the Obama platform.

Obama rode a unicorn, not a pony.

Unicorn pony?

Sorry, I'm not knowledgable about equines, although I did see Secretariat recently.

(11-30-2011 09:56 AM)BlazerFan11 Wrote:  Pretty much the same except there would be no health care mandate, and we'd probably be in even more wars/conflicts/"humanitarian missions" than Obama has gotten us into.

+1

(11-30-2011 10:10 AM)AtlanticLeague Wrote:  So if it really didn't matter whether Obama or McCain won, isn't the GOP better off with Obama winning? This way they can try to boot him out in 2012 as opposed to having to support McCain if he ran for another term.

This is why I voted Libertarian and wanted Obama to kneecap McCain. Scorched Earth. I'd rather flush this thing in a hurry than take the scenic route. The idea being if we drop fast enough, maybe people in the GOP will WAKE THE **** UP to the fact that most of their leadership is garbage Dem-lite.

(11-30-2011 04:14 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  This is why I voted Libertarian and wanted Obama to kneecap McCain. Scorched Earth. I'd rather flush this thing in a hurry then take the scenic route. The idea being if we drop fast enough, maybe people in the GOP will WAKE THE **** UP to the fact that most of their leadership is garbage Dem-lite.

I voted 3rd party too.

(11-30-2011 12:16 PM)AtlanticLeague Wrote:  

(11-30-2011 11:05 AM)SumOfAllFears Wrote:  Who controls the house and senate when we assume McCain Palin win?

Good point. You'd have to discount the Tea Party fervor that stemmed from Obama's 2008 victory and contributed to some house and senate victories for the GOP.

Dems probably would have kept both in 2010.

They probably would not have had the gains in 2008 if McCain won. AN dthe GOP may have even taken both chambers in 08.

Obama would have never produced his birth certificate.