(11-27-2011 01:24 PM)BigEastHomer Wrote:  Whichever way you try to spin it, in the post-Penn State world, this will be disastrous to Syracuse. It's a PR NIGHTMARE. Especially with all the denials we've been seeing in the press over the past weeks.

The fact that a Syracuse coach was doing that to a Syracuse ballboy makes it an institutional issue. And since the kids been making these claims for years, without being believed, this will be highly scrutinized for a LONG LONG time.

Why is this the "post-Penn State", and not "post-Baylor" era?

Answer, you forgot that Baylor even tried to cover up a murder.

If people forgot about a murder coverup, then they'll forget this pretty damn quickly.

(11-27-2011 01:44 PM)OrangeCrush22 Wrote:  

(11-27-2011 01:24 PM)BigEastHomer Wrote:  Whichever way you try to spin it, in the post-Penn State world, this will be disastrous to Syracuse. It's a PR NIGHTMARE. Especially with all the denials we've been seeing in the press over the past weeks.

The fact that a Syracuse coach was doing that to a Syracuse ballboy makes it an institutional issue. And since the kids been making these claims for years, without being believed, this will be highly scrutinized for a LONG LONG time.

Why is this the "post-Penn State", and not "post-Baylor" era?

Answer, you forgot that Baylor even tried to cover up a murder.

If people forgot about a murder coverup, then they'll forget this pretty damn quickly.

Baylor as horrific as it was didn't lead the "National News" like the Penn State scandel and it wasn't on all the Sunday Morning Talk shows either.

Bury your head if you want but this very well could be a PR Nightmare for Syracuse as it is currently for Penn State.

The Nittany Lions right now are "toxic" whether you want to believe it or not...no dog in either fight but will just say both issues are sad.

(11-27-2011 01:09 PM)shocknawe Wrote:  

(11-27-2011 12:56 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  

(11-27-2011 12:28 PM)shocknawe Wrote:  

(11-27-2011 12:22 PM)WacoBearcat Wrote:  

(11-27-2011 12:13 PM)OrangeCrush22 Wrote:  ESPN had the tape in '03. Why didn't they release it then? I don't get it.

It's like I'm watching a movie. So many twists and turns.

Yep, lots of twists and turns. This could get really, really ugly for Syracuse. Hopefully not.

Boeheim denies seeing this boy in Fines' hotel room. He called this kid A LIAR to the the press. He did everything he could to discredit this kid and the other accuser. He very publicly tried to ruin the accuser's reputation. If this is how he goes about his business IN PUBLIC lord only knows what he did behind the scenes to protect his progam and his friend. Boeheim should be gone.

Melodramatic much?

Sorry to break into your fantasy but Boeheim won't get fired.

http://www.nunesmagician.com/2011/11/27/...phone-call

yes i tend to get melodramatic when a child molestor is molesting kids and a University does an 'Investigation" that yields nothing more than to discredit the accuser. I also tend to get melodramatic when god only knows how many more kids have been molested since this was all swept under the rug by a powerful basketball coach whose only motivation is to protect the prorgam and not children( ie Boeheim,paterno)

Show one piece of evidence that Boeheim swept this under the rug or STFU!

(11-27-2011 01:37 PM)OrangeCrush22 Wrote:  

(11-27-2011 12:57 PM)ArQ Wrote:  Only idiots will touch boss' kids. Ballboy, especially from a poor family, is a game.

So, Boeheim knew that Fine was a child molester, but allowed his kids to be near him. Your reasoning for this is that Boeheim knew Fine wouldn't dare touch his kids.

That's one of the most stupid things I've ever heard. If I know someones a child molester my kids go NOWHERE near them.

Are Boeheim's kids ballboys? I bet there is not one single occasion that Fine and Boeheim's kids are alone in a room. Unless Fine has once babysit for Boeheim, I am not convinced to use this as the proof that Boeheim knows for sure that Fine is not a child molester.

It's going to have an effect on recruiting in the future for both schools. Don't think it won't. There will always be people who are going to have questions about this now. It's not something a parent will forget...

(11-27-2011 01:44 PM)OrangeCrush22 Wrote:  Why is this the "post-Penn State", and not "post-Baylor" era?

Answer, you forgot that Baylor even tried to cover up a murder.

If people forgot about a murder coverup, then they'll forget this pretty damn quickly.

Whether you want to acknowledge how CHILD MOLESTATION (of the man/boy - NAMBLA -variety) doesn't create a stigma that even murder doesn't emit, that's your prerogative. It creates that "ewwwww" reaction that we saw from that Penn State recruit.

Parents don't want to send their kids to schools that are relaxed about issues of molestation. That stigma still hasn't left the catholic church.

With Syracuse now becoming part of the Penn State narrative, this is just the start. Be expecting a lot of attention from the news magazine shows for months and years to come.

(11-27-2011 01:54 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  It's going to have an effect on recruiting in the future for both schools. Don't think it won't. There will always be people who are going to have questions about this now. It's not something a parent will forget...

Agreed...but it can be ameliorated somewhat with how they handle Bernie Fine going forward. Unlike shocknawe's fantasy there is no evidence of an institutional coverup and just ludicrous to think Jim Boeheim knew about it or condoned it.

I agree, Mark. The Syracuse situation seems to be an issue with Fine only. Although the incompetence of the police in their actions on the matter should be called into question, and probably will be before all is said and done. But Fine seemed to have been a little more discrete than Sandusky was in his pedophilia...

Fine is done. His wife should be given the same treatment that Psaternos wife is getting and worse. She could have prevented this from happening to other kids. But she chose to have an affair with one of her husbands victims? This whole thing makes me sick to my stomach. The Fines are major slimeballs. You dont mess with kids. You dont treat kids like this and scarring them for the rest of their lives. Even if the statute of limitations have run out, he should still be listed as a child predater with no access to any children, ever again.

With all of that being said, lets not try to act as though Boeheim has been implicated in this mess or Syracuse University. The only thing that Boeheim has been guilty of is speaking out way too prematurely in protecting his friend, who let Boeheim embarras himself by coming to his
supposed rescue. You can bet this is one friendship that has been or will be ending very soon. if there is any coverup it will come out soon, but I dont believe that there is.

Regarding Boeheim, I harken to what Barry Switzer had to say about Paterno.

Quote:"Having been in this profession a long time and knowing how close coaching staffs are, I knew that this was a secret that was kept secret," Switzer told The Oklahoman. "Everyone on that staff had to have known; the ones who had been around a long time."

http://www.newson6.com/story/16014407/ba...-situation

Considering that this was going on under Boeheim's nose, between a long-time coach and a ballboy, Boeheim would really have to be dense not to pick up on the vibes. I wouldn't be surprised if more comes of this. Nobody saw this tape coming out..

Boeheim's quick words in defense of his friend could have an impact on how he is viewed by some families, cuse...

(11-27-2011 02:26 PM)BigEastHomer Wrote:  Regarding Boeheim, I harken to what Barry Switzer had to say about Paterno.

Quote:"Having been in this profession a long time and knowing how close coaching staffs are, I knew that this was a secret that was kept secret," Switzer told The Oklahoman. "Everyone on that staff had to have known; the ones who had been around a long time."

http://www.newson6.com/story/16014407/ba...-situation

Considering that this was going on under Boeheim's nose, between a long-time coach and a ballboy, Boeheim would really have to be dense not to pick up on the vibes. I wouldn't be surprised if more comes of this. Nobody saw this tape coming out..

I disagree with you regarding Boeheim. But regarding the tape, we had been hearing rumors about Laurie Fine and a tape the whole of last week. It finally came out and none of us expected it to be so damaging. Fine is a freak, whether theres a statute of limitations or not the man should serve time in jail. And his wife definitly needs to be punished as well. But if Boeheim had knowledge of these things (I dont believe that he did.) he should also be punished.
But I dont believe for a minute that he had any inkling of Fines secret life, because if he did, he would never have come out so strongly in defense of Fine, just to look like a complete buffoon just one week later.

(11-27-2011 02:26 PM)BigEastHomer Wrote:  Regarding Boeheim, I harken to what Barry Switzer had to say about Paterno.

Quote:"Having been in this profession a long time and knowing how close coaching staffs are, I knew that this was a secret that was kept secret," Switzer told The Oklahoman. "Everyone on that staff had to have known; the ones who had been around a long time."

http://www.newson6.com/story/16014407/ba...-situation

Considering that this was going on under Boeheim's nose, between a long-time coach and a ballboy, Boeheim would really have to be dense not to pick up on the vibes. I wouldn't be surprised if more comes of this. Nobody saw this tape coming out..

A member of that coaching staff actually witnessed a child being molested by another member of that coaching staff. Of course he whispered in the ear of another staff member and so on until everyone heard about it. So which staff member on the SU coaching staff witnessed Fine molesting these kids?

(11-27-2011 02:52 PM)cuseroc Wrote:  

(11-27-2011 02:26 PM)BigEastHomer Wrote:  Regarding Boeheim, I harken to what Barry Switzer had to say about Paterno.

Quote:"Having been in this profession a long time and knowing how close coaching staffs are, I knew that this was a secret that was kept secret," Switzer told The Oklahoman. "Everyone on that staff had to have known; the ones who had been around a long time."

http://www.newson6.com/story/16014407/ba...-situation

Considering that this was going on under Boeheim's nose, between a long-time coach and a ballboy, Boeheim would really have to be dense not to pick up on the vibes. I wouldn't be surprised if more comes of this. Nobody saw this tape coming out..

A member of that coaching staff actually witnessed a child being molested by another member of that coaching staff. Of course he whispered in the ear of another staff member and so on until everyone heard about it. So which staff member on the SU coaching staff witnessed Fine molesting these kids?

boeheim allegedly saw this boy hanging out in Fines' hotel room on the road and had a "what are you doing here " look on his face.(this according to the accuser who looks more credible than boeheim at this point) Of course boeheim flatly denies he EVER went into Bernies room on hotel road trips let alone saw a boy in bernies room. So boeheim never even once ventured into the hotel room of his close personal friend for over 30 years on a road trip? Me thinks Boeheim protests too much. In my opinion Boeheim saw that kid in the room, knew something was wrong (the ick feeling comes to mind) but chose to ignore it. By his inaction or possibly his active cover up of this incident caused more kids to get molested. But boeheim thinks, what's a couple of molested kids comapred to Melo and a national championship? disgusting.

You're making assumptions based upon supposition, shocknawe. These are the kinds of things said by people who wish to incite a riot...

The story is obviously disgusting, but also disturbing is the nonchalant attitude of some Syracuse supporters on here who's attitude seems to be people will forget about it and the program will be fine, as though that's the primary concern here. The issue is far from over both at Penn State as well as Syracuse. Hopefully this will be the catalyst that help cleanse college sports from the decadent, morally bankrupt, attitudes that seem to pervade it today.

(11-27-2011 03:03 PM)shocknawe Wrote:  

(11-27-2011 02:52 PM)cuseroc Wrote:  

(11-27-2011 02:26 PM)BigEastHomer Wrote:  Regarding Boeheim, I harken to what Barry Switzer had to say about Paterno.

Quote:"Having been in this profession a long time and knowing how close coaching staffs are, I knew that this was a secret that was kept secret," Switzer told The Oklahoman. "Everyone on that staff had to have known; the ones who had been around a long time."

http://www.newson6.com/story/16014407/ba...-situation

Considering that this was going on under Boeheim's nose, between a long-time coach and a ballboy, Boeheim would really have to be dense not to pick up on the vibes. I wouldn't be surprised if more comes of this. Nobody saw this tape coming out..

A member of that coaching staff actually witnessed a child being molested by another member of that coaching staff. Of course he whispered in the ear of another staff member and so on until everyone heard about it. So which staff member on the SU coaching staff witnessed Fine molesting these kids?

boeheim allegedly saw this boy hanging out in Fines' hotel room on the road and had a "what are you doing here " look on his face.(this according to the accuser who looks more credible than boeheim at this point) Of course boeheim flatly denies he EVER went into Bernies room on hotel road trips let alone saw a boy in bernies room. So boeheim never even once ventured into the hotel room of his close personal friend for over 30 years on a road trip? Me thinks Boeheim protests too much. In my opinion Boeheim saw that kid in the room, knew something was wrong (the ick feeling comes to mind) but chose to ignore it. By his inaction or possibly his active cover up of this incident caused more kids to get molested. But boeheim thinks, what's a couple of molested kids comapred to Melo and a national championship? disgusting.

No one really cares what you think. Your thinking is flawed.

I still hate seeing people putting winning ahead of what is morally right. Rick Pitino should have been fired at Louisville, also.

(11-27-2011 03:24 PM)cuseroc Wrote:  

(11-27-2011 03:03 PM)shocknawe Wrote:  

(11-27-2011 02:52 PM)cuseroc Wrote:  

(11-27-2011 02:26 PM)BigEastHomer Wrote:  Regarding Boeheim, I harken to what Barry Switzer had to say about Paterno.

Quote:"Having been in this profession a long time and knowing how close coaching staffs are, I knew that this was a secret that was kept secret," Switzer told The Oklahoman. "Everyone on that staff had to have known; the ones who had been around a long time."

http://www.newson6.com/story/16014407/ba...-situation

Considering that this was going on under Boeheim's nose, between a long-time coach and a ballboy, Boeheim would really have to be dense not to pick up on the vibes. I wouldn't be surprised if more comes of this. Nobody saw this tape coming out..

A member of that coaching staff actually witnessed a child being molested by another member of that coaching staff. Of course he whispered in the ear of another staff member and so on until everyone heard about it. So which staff member on the SU coaching staff witnessed Fine molesting these kids?

boeheim allegedly saw this boy hanging out in Fines' hotel room on the road and had a "what are you doing here " look on his face.(this according to the accuser who looks more credible than boeheim at this point) Of course boeheim flatly denies he EVER went into Bernies room on hotel road trips let alone saw a boy in bernies room. So boeheim never even once ventured into the hotel room of his close personal friend for over 30 years on a road trip? Me thinks Boeheim protests too much. In my opinion Boeheim saw that kid in the room, knew something was wrong (the ick feeling comes to mind) but chose to ignore it. By his inaction or possibly his active cover up of this incident caused more kids to get molested. But boeheim thinks, what's a couple of molested kids comapred to Melo and a national championship? disgusting.

No one really cares what you think. Your thinking is flawed.

i know- u just want this to go away. you can try and pretend this isnt happening but those kids that Bernie molested can't escape their nightmares. you can try and dodge this all you want but it isnt going away

(11-27-2011 03:41 PM)shocknawe Wrote:  

(11-27-2011 03:24 PM)cuseroc Wrote:  

(11-27-2011 03:03 PM)shocknawe Wrote:  

(11-27-2011 02:52 PM)cuseroc Wrote:  

(11-27-2011 02:26 PM)BigEastHomer Wrote:  Regarding Boeheim, I harken to what Barry Switzer had to say about Paterno.


Considering that this was going on under Boeheim's nose, between a long-time coach and a ballboy, Boeheim would really have to be dense not to pick up on the vibes. I wouldn't be surprised if more comes of this. Nobody saw this tape coming out..

A member of that coaching staff actually witnessed a child being molested by another member of that coaching staff. Of course he whispered in the ear of another staff member and so on until everyone heard about it. So which staff member on the SU coaching staff witnessed Fine molesting these kids?

boeheim allegedly saw this boy hanging out in Fines' hotel room on the road and had a "what are you doing here " look on his face.(this according to the accuser who looks more credible than boeheim at this point) Of course boeheim flatly denies he EVER went into Bernies room on hotel road trips let alone saw a boy in bernies room. So boeheim never even once ventured into the hotel room of his close personal friend for over 30 years on a road trip? Me thinks Boeheim protests too much. In my opinion Boeheim saw that kid in the room, knew something was wrong (the ick feeling comes to mind) but chose to ignore it. By his inaction or possibly his active cover up of this incident caused more kids to get molested. But boeheim thinks, what's a couple of molested kids comapred to Melo and a national championship? disgusting.

No one really cares what you think. Your thinking is flawed.

i know- u just want this to go away. you can try and pretend this isnt happening but those kids that Bernie molested can't escape their nightmares. you can try and dodge this all you want but it isnt going away

Going by your logic we need the United States of America to shut down the Catholic Church and throw the pope, any pope, in jail.