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So now that SDSU is the new western aquistion
When do those announcements happen?
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I'm waiting for this joke to be funny again.
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Oh it is the joke that just keeps on giving.
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(11-23-2011 09:26 AM)Eagleweiser Wrote:  Oh it is the joke that just keeps on giving.

Are the geographical differences with adding SDSU so different than the current C-USA configuration. Sure there is the addition of a new time zone, but with football only membership for most purported new western additions, travel should not be a huge issue. I get USM's fan base bitterness, you'll certainly owned UCF in football, however the Big East is focusing on markets that increase potential revenue to the future TV rights negotiations. USM's chief liability is it's location. USM should consistently be one of the top five Non-AQ which will only increase their national brand and consequently their following. They should be included in the next round if they consistently win. But "should" is by it's nature subjective. Good luck in the C-USA championship game, and your bowl game.
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RE: So now that SDSU is the new western aquistion
(11-25-2011 09:35 AM)NestaKnight Wrote:  
(11-23-2011 09:26 AM)Eagleweiser Wrote:  Oh it is the joke that just keeps on giving.

Are the geographical differences with adding SDSU so different than the current C-USA configuration. Sure there is the addition of a new time zone, but with football only membership for most purported new western additions, travel should not be a huge issue. I get USM's fan base bitterness, you'll certainly owned UCF in football, however the Big East is focusing on markets that increase potential revenue to the future TV rights negotiations. USM's chief liability is it's location. USM should consistently be one of the top five Non-AQ which will only increase their national brand and consequently their following. They should be included in the next round if they consistently win. But "should" is by it's nature subjective. Good luck in the C-USA championship game, and your bowl game.

If that were true they would be adding Temple before UCF, SDSU or anybody else. The BE is a clusterfudge trying to keep BB-onlies happy (read power-sharing) while the big picture maximization you speak of gets pushed to the back burner,. It is recipe for either failure or third world status. Take your pick.
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Yes, football wise I would like to see ECU and So. Miss in the BE. We all know that is not going to happen.

I think Fresno makes much more "sense" than SDSU. However, SDSU has a much stronger recruiting hotbed for Boise.
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SDSU fits the New Big East model - large, urban school in a big market (TV money). And since the Chargers are likely to move to L.A., the Aztecs will have that market (#17) all to themselves.

I expect the "on board" schools (Houston, SMU, UCF, Boise, SDSU) to be announced very soon; the invitees are getting restless. I've read that Navy & Air Force are "probable", although not definite. If they don't join, I don't know where we go from there. Temple? Memphis? ECU? Nevada? Fresno? I haven't seen anything to address that issue.
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(11-25-2011 09:49 AM)fishpro12345 Wrote:  
(11-25-2011 09:35 AM)NestaKnight Wrote:  
(11-23-2011 09:26 AM)Eagleweiser Wrote:  Oh it is the joke that just keeps on giving.

Are the geographical differences with adding SDSU so different than the current C-USA configuration. Sure there is the addition of a new time zone, but with football only membership for most purported new western additions, travel should not be a huge issue. I get USM's fan base bitterness, you'll certainly owned UCF in football, however the Big East is focusing on markets that increase potential revenue to the future TV rights negotiations. USM's chief liability is it's location. USM should consistently be one of the top five Non-AQ which will only increase their national brand and consequently their following. They should be included in the next round if they consistently win. But "should" is by it's nature subjective. Good luck in the C-USA championship game, and your bowl game.

If that were true they would be adding Temple before UCF, SDSU or anybody else. The BE is a clusterfudge trying to keep BB-onlies happy (read power-sharing) while the big picture maximization you speak of gets pushed to the back burner,. It is recipe for either failure or third world status. Take your pick.

I was referring to in football, Temple does not remotely deliver the Philly market, and the BE has Villanova in basketball to cover exposure in that market. At a minimum the BE is establishing footholds in new and emerging markets. The BE is merely covering the bases if AQ status is to be retained (with the inclusion of Boise St. and their traveling partner) when the current BCS contract expires. Football only invites limit other complications as it relates to travel. Although I'm not sure TV execs are sitting around wetting themselves at the prospect of exposure to the Bosie, Idaho market. Bosie St. does have somewhat of a national brand by virtue of their onfield play over the last 5-6 years.
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RE: So now that SDSU is the new western aquistion
(11-25-2011 10:32 AM)NestaKnight Wrote:  
(11-25-2011 09:49 AM)fishpro12345 Wrote:  
(11-25-2011 09:35 AM)NestaKnight Wrote:  
(11-23-2011 09:26 AM)Eagleweiser Wrote:  Oh it is the joke that just keeps on giving.

Are the geographical differences with adding SDSU so different than the current C-USA configuration. Sure there is the addition of a new time zone, but with football only membership for most purported new western additions, travel should not be a huge issue. I get USM's fan base bitterness, you'll certainly owned UCF in football, however the Big East is focusing on markets that increase potential revenue to the future TV rights negotiations. USM's chief liability is it's location. USM should consistently be one of the top five Non-AQ which will only increase their national brand and consequently their following. They should be included in the next round if they consistently win. But "should" is by it's nature subjective. Good luck in the C-USA championship game, and your bowl game.

If that were true they would be adding Temple before UCF, SDSU or anybody else. The BE is a clusterfudge trying to keep BB-onlies happy (read power-sharing) while the big picture maximization you speak of gets pushed to the back burner,. It is recipe for either failure or third world status. Take your pick.

I was referring to in football, Temple does not remotely deliver the Philly market, and the BE has Villanova in basketball to cover exposure in that market. At a minimum the BE is establishing footholds in new and emerging markets. The BE is merely covering the bases if AQ status is to be retained (with the inclusion of Boise St. and their traveling partner) when the current BCS contract expires. Football only invites limit other complications as it relates to travel. Although I'm not sure TV execs are sitting around wetting themselves at the prospect of exposure to the Bosie, Idaho market. Bosie St. does have somewhat of a national brand by virtue of their onfield play over the last 5-6 years.

Temple can easily argue they deliver Philly just as much as SDSU delivers San Diego in football. Also last I checked all these markets haven't exactly been breaking the bank for the BE so far. It's not like you guys haven't always had the largest markets of any conference. Obviously there is something other than markets keeping you down.
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Let's see, large market where no one watches or small market where everyone watches. Decisions, decisions....
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RE: So now that SDSU is the new western aquistion
(11-25-2011 10:32 AM)NestaKnight Wrote:  
(11-25-2011 09:49 AM)fishpro12345 Wrote:  
(11-25-2011 09:35 AM)NestaKnight Wrote:  
(11-23-2011 09:26 AM)Eagleweiser Wrote:  Oh it is the joke that just keeps on giving.

Are the geographical differences with adding SDSU so different than the current C-USA configuration. Sure there is the addition of a new time zone, but with football only membership for most purported new western additions, travel should not be a huge issue. I get USM's fan base bitterness, you'll certainly owned UCF in football, however the Big East is focusing on markets that increase potential revenue to the future TV rights negotiations. USM's chief liability is it's location. USM should consistently be one of the top five Non-AQ which will only increase their national brand and consequently their following. They should be included in the next round if they consistently win. But "should" is by it's nature subjective. Good luck in the C-USA championship game, and your bowl game.

If that were true they would be adding Temple before UCF, SDSU or anybody else. The BE is a clusterfudge trying to keep BB-onlies happy (read power-sharing) while the big picture maximization you speak of gets pushed to the back burner,. It is recipe for either failure or third world status. Take your pick.

I was referring to in football, UCF does not remotely deliver the Orlando market, and the BE has USF To cover exposure in that market. At a minimum the BE is establishing footholds in new and emerging markets. The BE is merely covering the bases if AQ status is to be retained (with the inclusion of Boise St. and their traveling partner) when the current BCS contract expires. Football only invites limit other complications as it relates to travel. Although I'm not sure TV execs are sitting around wetting themselves at the prospect of exposure to the Bosie, Idaho market. Bosie St. does have somewhat of a national brand by virtue of their onfield play over the last 5-6 years.

The same statement that you made about Temple also applies to UCF.

And the Big East master plan has gotten so crazy, that even a Big East writer won't tote water for the league on the plan anymore. The big transcontinental plan is the stupidest expansion idea ever. EVER. Hell, even pro leagues try to limit their geography by grouping teams into sensible divisions and conferences.
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(11-25-2011 11:38 AM)PirateMarv Wrote:  And the Big East master plan has gotten so crazy, that even a Big East writer won't tote water for the league on the plan anymore. The big transcontinental plan is the stupidest expansion idea ever. EVER. Hell, even pro leagues try to limit their geography by grouping teams into sensible divisions and conferences.

ESPN has assigned a writer to the Big East who hates the conference. Shocking.

The transcontinental conference idea will work. I don't know if it will be AQ, but it will be light years ahead of C-USA, MWC, MAC, WAC, and the Sun Belt. It will also have a better product on the field than the ACC. And it will have a nice, fat TV contract.
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(11-25-2011 12:06 PM)UConn-SMU Wrote:  
(11-25-2011 11:38 AM)PirateMarv Wrote:  And the Big East master plan has gotten so crazy, that even a Big East writer won't tote water for the league on the plan anymore. The big transcontinental plan is the stupidest expansion idea ever. EVER. Hell, even pro leagues try to limit their geography by grouping teams into sensible divisions and conferences.

ESPN has assigned a writer to the Big East who hates the conference. Shocking.

The transcontinental conference idea will work. I don't know if it will be AQ, but it will be light years ahead of C-USA, MWC, MAC, WAC, and the Sun Belt. It will also have a better product on the field than the ACC. And it will have a nice, fat TV contract.

Good luck with that. Right now there isn't a single ranked current member of the BE. Yes you are adding 2 current top 10 teams, but both could be facing a good bit of rebuilding next year. I'm glad you have so much faith in the cross country conference, not really sure why you do, but good for you.
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(11-25-2011 12:06 PM)UConn-SMU Wrote:  
(11-25-2011 11:38 AM)PirateMarv Wrote:  And the Big East master plan has gotten so crazy, that even a Big East writer won't tote water for the league on the plan anymore. The big transcontinental plan is the stupidest expansion idea ever. EVER. Hell, even pro leagues try to limit their geography by grouping teams into sensible divisions and conferences.

ESPN has assigned a writer to the Big East who hates the conference. Shocking.

The transcontinental conference idea will work. I don't know if it will be AQ, but it will be light years ahead of C-USA, MWC, MAC, WAC, and the Sun Belt. It will also have a better product on the field than the ACC. And it will have a nice, fat TV contract.

IMO the Big East should stop thinking in terms like what conferences they may be light years ahead of and concentrate on what would be best for the long term interests of the league. I find it difficult to believe that they think that this far west expansion is a long term solution.

In two years, the Big East football-playing members could be USF, UCF, SMU, Houston, Boise State and San Diego State. Yeah, that has a real Big East feel to it. Even if you throw in Navy and Temple, who the league already kicked out once, it would no longer be an eastern/northeastern conference.

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I heard the Big East was working on a compromise to satisfy Boise and folks from North Carolina. On Mondy the Big East will Extend an invite to WCU (WESTern Carolina University). 03-drunk
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Wait wait wait?
Is there some kind of confirmation SDSU has been given an invitation under the table?
I know SDSU has asked to be a part of the BE. Just wondering if anything has been confirmed.
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(11-25-2011 09:49 AM)fishpro12345 Wrote:  
(11-25-2011 09:35 AM)NestaKnight Wrote:  
(11-23-2011 09:26 AM)Eagleweiser Wrote:  Oh it is the joke that just keeps on giving.

Are the geographical differences with adding SDSU so different than the current C-USA configuration. Sure there is the addition of a new time zone, but with football only membership for most purported new western additions, travel should not be a huge issue. I get USM's fan base bitterness, you'll certainly owned UCF in football, however the Big East is focusing on markets that increase potential revenue to the future TV rights negotiations. USM's chief liability is it's location. USM should consistently be one of the top five Non-AQ which will only increase their national brand and consequently their following. They should be included in the next round if they consistently win. But "should" is by it's nature subjective. Good luck in the C-USA championship game, and your bowl game.

If that were true they would be adding Temple before UCF, SDSU or anybody else. The BE is a clusterfudge trying to keep BB-onlies happy (read power-sharing) while the big picture maximization you speak of gets pushed to the back burner,. It is recipe for either failure or third world status. Take your pick.

No, Rutgers and Nova already deliver the Philly market. Yes i know what you're going to say. "No one in Philly cares about Rutgers!" Great, but half the Philly market is New Jersey, just like half the NYC market is New Jersey.
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(11-25-2011 12:42 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  
(11-25-2011 12:06 PM)UConn-SMU Wrote:  
(11-25-2011 11:38 AM)PirateMarv Wrote:  And the Big East master plan has gotten so crazy, that even a Big East writer won't tote water for the league on the plan anymore. The big transcontinental plan is the stupidest expansion idea ever. EVER. Hell, even pro leagues try to limit their geography by grouping teams into sensible divisions and conferences.

ESPN has assigned a writer to the Big East who hates the conference. Shocking.

The transcontinental conference idea will work. I don't know if it will be AQ, but it will be light years ahead of C-USA, MWC, MAC, WAC, and the Sun Belt. It will also have a better product on the field than the ACC. And it will have a nice, fat TV contract.

Good luck with that. Right now there isn't a single ranked current member of the BE. Yes you are adding 2 current top 10 teams, but both could be facing a good bit of rebuilding next year. I'm glad you have so much faith in the cross country conference, not really sure why you do, but good for you.

Rutgers wins tomorrow and they are ranked. They are 26th in the coaches poll and 29th in the AP poll. UofL is on the rise, Rutgers is coming back and Cincy has rebounded after a bad year. Don't act like the remaining teams have no future. They lost one good team and two mediocre to bad teams.
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Great, but half the Philly market is New Jersey, just like half the NYC market is New Jersey.

Wishful thinking.
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(11-25-2011 01:39 PM)MinerEric Wrote:  Great, but half the Philly market is New Jersey, just like half the NYC market is New Jersey.

Wishful thinking.

Notre Dame (22) plays Stanford and will most likely lose, Clemson (17) plays South Carolina and will most likely lose, Auburn (24) plays Bama and will most likely lose, GT (23) plays UGA and will most likely lose. Thats four teams at the back end of the top 25 who will most likely lose. So to me it's wishful thinking on your part that a team right outside the top 25 to be left out. Not to mention that WVU is ranked 23rd in the coaches poll so to think they wont crack the BCS top 25 with a win over Pitt is also very wishful thinking from you.
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