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Speculation and conjecture at a meeting about proposed tuition and student fee changes. Wow. They wouldnt be spinning would they? Naw...

Just a side note. I am noticing that this is no longer being called an Alliance. I keep hearing it refered to as a merger. The parties keep alluding to more developments...I wonder if this is eventually going to end up being a full merger of all sports?

What I think is weird is that on one hand they are predicting the end of AQ designations and then in the next breath they are lobbying for inclusion into the AQ club. Which is it, guys?

(11-22-2011 03:54 PM)Dr. Isaly von Yinzer Wrote:  What I think is weird is that on one hand they are predicting the end of AQ designations and then in the next breath they are lobbying for inclusion into the AQ club. Which is it, guys?

um.. no one knows... gotta have back up plans for your back up plans in this day of college athletics

(11-22-2011 03:54 PM)Dr. Isaly von Yinzer Wrote:  What I think is weird is that on one hand they are predicting the end of AQ designations and then in the next breath they are lobbying for inclusion into the AQ club. Which is it, guys?

I wish things were simple for us. We are between a rock and a hard place right now. We have a disgruntled fan base who see's all our hard work appearing to be meaningless. I wouldn't want to have either of their jobs right now. They have to try to put lipstick on this pig and spin that whatever we are going to end up in is the best situation for ECU sports, when most know that's far from the truth.

(11-22-2011 03:58 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(11-22-2011 03:54 PM)Dr. Isaly von Yinzer Wrote:  What I think is weird is that on one hand they are predicting the end of AQ designations and then in the next breath they are lobbying for inclusion into the AQ club. Which is it, guys?

I wish things were simple for us. We are between a rock and a hard place right now. We have a disgruntled fan base who see's all our hard work appearing to be meaningless. I wouldn't want to have either of their jobs right now. They have to try to put lipstick on this pig and spin that whatever we are going to end up in is the best situation for ECU sports, when most know that's far from the truth.

...and this is where I believe these comments are coming from rather than any actual knowledge of what is about to happen

(11-22-2011 04:28 PM)panama Wrote:  

(11-22-2011 03:58 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(11-22-2011 03:54 PM)Dr. Isaly von Yinzer Wrote:  What I think is weird is that on one hand they are predicting the end of AQ designations and then in the next breath they are lobbying for inclusion into the AQ club. Which is it, guys?

I wish things were simple for us. We are between a rock and a hard place right now. We have a disgruntled fan base who see's all our hard work appearing to be meaningless. I wouldn't want to have either of their jobs right now. They have to try to put lipstick on this pig and spin that whatever we are going to end up in is the best situation for ECU sports, when most know that's far from the truth.

...and this is where I believe these comments are coming from rather than any actual knowledge of what is about to happen

I wouldn't go so far as to say they have no knowledge about what's going to happen. I think there obviously has to be some talk of the merger starting in January or it wouldn't have been mentioned. I do agree though that both are in spin mode right now, and don't really have any other alternative. They have to try to sell that the merger is the best option for ECU, which I guess is true since it appears to be the only one available, but that's still not going to be an easy sell to people that have been giving till it hurts to try and reach the highest level only to realize those efforts had no impact at all.

(11-22-2011 04:33 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(11-22-2011 04:28 PM)panama Wrote:  

(11-22-2011 03:58 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(11-22-2011 03:54 PM)Dr. Isaly von Yinzer Wrote:  What I think is weird is that on one hand they are predicting the end of AQ designations and then in the next breath they are lobbying for inclusion into the AQ club. Which is it, guys?

I wish things were simple for us. We are between a rock and a hard place right now. We have a disgruntled fan base who see's all our hard work appearing to be meaningless. I wouldn't want to have either of their jobs right now. They have to try to put lipstick on this pig and spin that whatever we are going to end up in is the best situation for ECU sports, when most know that's far from the truth.

...and this is where I believe these comments are coming from rather than any actual knowledge of what is about to happen

I wouldn't go so far as to say they have no knowledge about what's going to happen. I think there obviously has to be some talk of the merger starting in January or it wouldn't have been mentioned. I do agree though that both are in spin mode right now, and don't really have any other alternative. They have to try to sell that the merger is the best option for ECU, which I guess is true since it appears to be the only one available, but that's still not going to be an easy sell to people that have been giving till it hurts to try and reach the highest level only to realize those efforts had no impact at all.

ECU's situation is the only part of all of this that I think really sucks. It is really really unfortunate.

(11-22-2011 04:37 PM)panama Wrote:  

(11-22-2011 04:33 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(11-22-2011 04:28 PM)panama Wrote:  

(11-22-2011 03:58 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(11-22-2011 03:54 PM)Dr. Isaly von Yinzer Wrote:  What I think is weird is that on one hand they are predicting the end of AQ designations and then in the next breath they are lobbying for inclusion into the AQ club. Which is it, guys?

I wish things were simple for us. We are between a rock and a hard place right now. We have a disgruntled fan base who see's all our hard work appearing to be meaningless. I wouldn't want to have either of their jobs right now. They have to try to put lipstick on this pig and spin that whatever we are going to end up in is the best situation for ECU sports, when most know that's far from the truth.

...and this is where I believe these comments are coming from rather than any actual knowledge of what is about to happen

I wouldn't go so far as to say they have no knowledge about what's going to happen. I think there obviously has to be some talk of the merger starting in January or it wouldn't have been mentioned. I do agree though that both are in spin mode right now, and don't really have any other alternative. They have to try to sell that the merger is the best option for ECU, which I guess is true since it appears to be the only one available, but that's still not going to be an easy sell to people that have been giving till it hurts to try and reach the highest level only to realize those efforts had no impact at all.

ECU's situation is the only part of all of this that I think really sucks. It is really really unfortunate.

I wouldn't say that we are the only ones getting the shaft in all this. Temple, Memphis, USM, and others are as well. It is what it is at this point. My 2 big concerns are does this discourage a lot of the fan base from giving at as high a level, and does it have any negative affect on our attendance. If the answers to both questions are no then we will be alright.

Temple is getting the shaft up close and personal from across town. Just unbelievable.

(11-22-2011 04:28 PM)panama Wrote:  

(11-22-2011 03:58 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(11-22-2011 03:54 PM)Dr. Isaly von Yinzer Wrote:  What I think is weird is that on one hand they are predicting the end of AQ designations and then in the next breath they are lobbying for inclusion into the AQ club. Which is it, guys?

I wish things were simple for us. We are between a rock and a hard place right now. We have a disgruntled fan base who see's all our hard work appearing to be meaningless. I wouldn't want to have either of their jobs right now. They have to try to put lipstick on this pig and spin that whatever we are going to end up in is the best situation for ECU sports, when most know that's far from the truth.

...and this is where I believe these comments are coming from rather than any actual knowledge of what is about to happen

Holland and Ballard are 2 of the key players in this CUSA and MWC conference merger/alliance....I would take most of what they say as pretty spot on at this point in time. The thing that is making it difficult to finalize is the Big East's inability to get their own plans finalized. The MWC and CUSA need to know who is going and who is staying before they can get into the final details of the merger as the TV networks and most of the schools are still awaiting word on the their final fate. Many of the teams involved in this deal still have hopes of joining the Big East group as they will still probably get much more money in their TV deals than the CUSA/MWC alliance. All of the teams involved would jump ship to the Big East in a minute. Right now many schools are playing both sides of the fence here, obviously if not included in the Big East they would want the AQ status to go away. I would imagine if included with the Big East they would want it to stay....But I think their words clearly indicate there is little to no chance of ECU being involved in the Big East even though they would clearly prefer that option.

(11-22-2011 06:11 PM)ECU-DMB Fanatic Wrote:  

(11-22-2011 04:28 PM)panama Wrote:  

(11-22-2011 03:58 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(11-22-2011 03:54 PM)Dr. Isaly von Yinzer Wrote:  What I think is weird is that on one hand they are predicting the end of AQ designations and then in the next breath they are lobbying for inclusion into the AQ club. Which is it, guys?

I wish things were simple for us. We are between a rock and a hard place right now. We have a disgruntled fan base who see's all our hard work appearing to be meaningless. I wouldn't want to have either of their jobs right now. They have to try to put lipstick on this pig and spin that whatever we are going to end up in is the best situation for ECU sports, when most know that's far from the truth.

...and this is where I believe these comments are coming from rather than any actual knowledge of what is about to happen

Holland and Ballard are 2 of the key players in this CUSA and MWC conference merger/alliance....I would take most of what they say as pretty spot on at this point in time. The thing that is making it difficult to finalize is the Big East's inability to get their own plans finalized. The MWC and CUSA need to know who is going and who is staying before they can get into the final details of the merger as the TV networks and most of the schools are still awaiting word on the their final fate. Many of the teams involved in this deal still have hopes of joining the Big East group as they will still probably get much more money in their TV deals than the CUSA/MWC alliance. All of the teams involved would jump ship to the Big East in a minute. Right now many schools are playing both sides of the fence here, obviously if not included in the Big East they would want the AQ status to go away. I would imagine if included with the Big East they would want it to stay....But I think their words clearly indicate there is little to no chance of ECU being involved in the Big East even though they would clearly prefer that option.

Just throwing this out there. If BYU joins the Big East and Air Force does not---that would leave one slot still open. If ECU was given a football only invite and told they had to play in the Western Division, do you think they would? I ask, because I could see that as a realistic Big East option.

The merger/alliance fits nicely into Hollands wishes of having more localized games so basically adding some eastern teams to where we don't travel west at all or until a championship game is more fiscally responsible for both sides. But at some point... you might as well be TWO conferences when you get to a certain amount of members in this regard.

(11-22-2011 07:04 PM)attackfrog Wrote:  

(11-22-2011 06:11 PM)ECU-DMB Fanatic Wrote:  

(11-22-2011 04:28 PM)panama Wrote:  

(11-22-2011 03:58 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(11-22-2011 03:54 PM)Dr. Isaly von Yinzer Wrote:  What I think is weird is that on one hand they are predicting the end of AQ designations and then in the next breath they are lobbying for inclusion into the AQ club. Which is it, guys?

I wish things were simple for us. We are between a rock and a hard place right now. We have a disgruntled fan base who see's all our hard work appearing to be meaningless. I wouldn't want to have either of their jobs right now. They have to try to put lipstick on this pig and spin that whatever we are going to end up in is the best situation for ECU sports, when most know that's far from the truth.

...and this is where I believe these comments are coming from rather than any actual knowledge of what is about to happen

Holland and Ballard are 2 of the key players in this CUSA and MWC conference merger/alliance....I would take most of what they say as pretty spot on at this point in time. The thing that is making it difficult to finalize is the Big East's inability to get their own plans finalized. The MWC and CUSA need to know who is going and who is staying before they can get into the final details of the merger as the TV networks and most of the schools are still awaiting word on the their final fate. Many of the teams involved in this deal still have hopes of joining the Big East group as they will still probably get much more money in their TV deals than the CUSA/MWC alliance. All of the teams involved would jump ship to the Big East in a minute. Right now many schools are playing both sides of the fence here, obviously if not included in the Big East they would want the AQ status to go away. I would imagine if included with the Big East they would want it to stay....But I think their words clearly indicate there is little to no chance of ECU being involved in the Big East even though they would clearly prefer that option.

Just throwing this out there. If BYU joins the Big East and Air Force does not---that would leave one slot still open. If ECU was given a football only invite and told they had to play in the Western Division, do you think they would? I ask, because I could see that as a realistic Big East option.

Who the hell knows....Probably would have to accept even though to goes against everything Holland wants in a football conference. Would be interesting to see the answer. I am torn, AQ status is huge and the TV money will be a lot more, but it would would feel really dirty to accept that kind of offer.

(11-22-2011 04:33 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(11-22-2011 04:28 PM)panama Wrote:  

(11-22-2011 03:58 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(11-22-2011 03:54 PM)Dr. Isaly von Yinzer Wrote:  What I think is weird is that on one hand they are predicting the end of AQ designations and then in the next breath they are lobbying for inclusion into the AQ club. Which is it, guys?

I wish things were simple for us. We are between a rock and a hard place right now. We have a disgruntled fan base who see's all our hard work appearing to be meaningless. I wouldn't want to have either of their jobs right now. They have to try to put lipstick on this pig and spin that whatever we are going to end up in is the best situation for ECU sports, when most know that's far from the truth.

...and this is where I believe these comments are coming from rather than any actual knowledge of what is about to happen

I wouldn't go so far as to say they have no knowledge about what's going to happen. I think there obviously has to be some talk of the merger starting in January or it wouldn't have been mentioned. I do agree though that both are in spin mode right now, and don't really have any other alternative. They have to try to sell that the merger is the best option for ECU, which I guess is true since it appears to be the only one available, but that's still not going to be an easy sell to people that have been giving till it hurts to try and reach the highest level only to realize those efforts had no impact at all.

You can't sell to folks that just because the same teams with 15-20,000
in the seats or some with barely 30,000 who have one good year are suddenly bigtime because they move to an aborted Big East.
Doesn't matter if it's the best option for ECU or not. It's still a pretty good option for now. The Big East is no better than those in the merger
at the end of the day. There won't be an AQ for either league because neither league warrents having one anymore.

Ballard has showed he isn't very bright. Yes the merger is a good idea, losing the auto bid will be horrid for CUSA/MWC though. Never ever will they get into any major bowl again, other than maybe the Liberty. As much as we in the non bcs have complained, The big 6 conf had every bowl game worth having tied up with no way for the rest of us to even earn a bid.

(11-23-2011 07:58 AM)goodknightfl Wrote:  Ballard has showed he isn't very bright. Yes the merger is a good idea, losing the auto bid will be horrid for CUSA/MWC though. Never ever will they get into any major bowl again, other than maybe the Liberty. As much as we in the non bcs have complained, The big 6 conf had every bowl game worth having tied up with no way for the rest of us to even earn a bid.

Ballard maybe spinning things on the alliance, but he is one of the brightest men I have met. One of our all time leaders, wonderful politician. Like Holland, if it can be done, he will get there.

(11-22-2011 05:21 PM)panama Wrote:  Temple is getting the shaft up close and personal from across town. Just unbelievable.

Counting this year Temple has had 3 winning seasons in the past two decades and a large number of those seasons were 2 or 3 win type seasons. They were kicked out of the BE because they could not win nor draw fans.

Other than being located in a major metro area there is nothing about Temple football that would deserve admission to a AQ conference. They have had their chance and blew it.

The shaft implies that someone is not getting something they deserve, so just how are they getting the shaft?

Of course in the BE bizaro world where everything is decided upon where you are located, I can see how Temple fans can think they are as deserving as anyone else.