(11-24-2011 09:49 AM)OrangeCrush22 Wrote:  

(11-24-2011 09:32 AM)Wolfman Wrote:  It's a southern thing.

Seriously? Or, are you just f@cking with me?

Oh, and great to have another ACC fan!

I'm looking forward to the Syracuse vs NC State basketball game coming up.

Seriously. We invite people to leave all the time. All those relatives that came over Thanksgiving dinner for example.

Originally from Watertown, so I follow the Cuse a little. Hope you guys take it easy on us. It's Gotfried's first year and the locker room is a little bare.

Why would we allow the Cocks back in? they done had their turn in the ACC

Florida, Georgia, and Vandy would be good.

(11-24-2011 07:38 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  

(11-24-2011 10:17 AM)Hoquista Wrote:  Certainly South Carolina has a large and passionate fanbase (I know as I lived in update SC for almost 8 years).

Where 'bouts?

Central

(11-24-2011 08:42 AM)Hoquista Wrote:  

(11-23-2011 08:31 PM)XLance Wrote:  

(11-23-2011 08:03 AM)omniorange Wrote:  

(11-22-2011 06:28 PM)XLance Wrote:  Thinking outside the box.....
The SEC goes to 16 with Texas, Oklahoma and Oklahoma State. Well I know that's really 17, so someone has to go. The SEC then invites South Carolina or Vanderbilt to leave.
I'm thinking Notre Dame and Vanderbilt.

If the Texahoma schools leave the Big 12 as a group, it will be for the Pac, imho.

While I don't like to use the word never, I just don't see UT ever joining the SEC.

Cheers,
Neil

Neil,
I can think of $300 million reasons.
ESPN controls the broadcast rights for the SEC and the ACC "for a long time".
The SEC with Texas and Oklahoma & the ACC with Notre Dame and South Carolina would give ESPN all of the inventory the could ever want, which would give them leverage with the B1G when they went to renegotiate.
Whether you call it the Longhorn Network or a bribe, Texas has already been bought by ESPN. And it's in ESPN's interest to have Texas in the SEC as opposed to the PAC16.

Not sure why you mention South Carolina (in this and other previous posts). I can think of at least 5 other institutions that the ACC would want that's within the ACC's 'footprint' instead of South Carolina.

I mention South Carolina because they are expendable to the SEC. They are not an original member like Florida and Georgia and have no long term ties to the SEC.
If you were the SEC commissioner and had to lose one team, your two top choices would be South Carolina and Mississippi State, right?

I agree that South Carolina is no great prize, but they are a cultural "fit" (more akin to Clemson and NC State than to Dook and UVa) and they have great physical location for the ACC.

Florida, Penn State and Rutgers are much larger than any ACC school. Georgia is the soul of the SEC and would never leave them and UConn won't be invited to the ACC (lawsuit). If Notre Dame is to join the ACC and needs a partner (16) and the SEC can continue to move west (with Texas, OU and OSU), don't be surprised when South Carolina re-joins the ACC.

I don't understand the fascination with ND. I can see the ACC coddling certain public schools in Florida that want to add a prominent football program. I think ND is questionable in this category. Don't get me wrong. They have a good football program as well as other sports. But when I think of the top 10 programs over the last 25 years, ND doesn't make the list.

ND has a reputation for flirting. They have flirted with the B1G for the last 50(?) years. In 1999(?) the B10 gave ND everything they wanted and it was a done deal. Done until ND backed out. I just hope the ACC doesn't spend the next 50 years flirting with ND. Especially when there are good schools out there that WANT to be part of the ACC.

Add Uconn and Rutgers now and move on with building the conference. BOTH are top 100 schools. They complete the ACC footprint.

Everyone needs a rival. BC and Uconn could move theirs from the media to the field. RU could be a great rival for Maryland and are in a sizable DMA.

(11-25-2011 08:53 AM)XLance Wrote:  

(11-24-2011 08:42 AM)Hoquista Wrote:  

(11-23-2011 08:31 PM)XLance Wrote:  

(11-23-2011 08:03 AM)omniorange Wrote:  

(11-22-2011 06:28 PM)XLance Wrote:  Thinking outside the box.....
The SEC goes to 16 with Texas, Oklahoma and Oklahoma State. Well I know that's really 17, so someone has to go. The SEC then invites South Carolina or Vanderbilt to leave.
I'm thinking Notre Dame and Vanderbilt.

If the Texahoma schools leave the Big 12 as a group, it will be for the Pac, imho.

While I don't like to use the word never, I just don't see UT ever joining the SEC.

Cheers,
Neil

Neil,
I can think of $300 million reasons.
ESPN controls the broadcast rights for the SEC and the ACC "for a long time".
The SEC with Texas and Oklahoma & the ACC with Notre Dame and South Carolina would give ESPN all of the inventory the could ever want, which would give them leverage with the B1G when they went to renegotiate.
Whether you call it the Longhorn Network or a bribe, Texas has already been bought by ESPN. And it's in ESPN's interest to have Texas in the SEC as opposed to the PAC16.

Not sure why you mention South Carolina (in this and other previous posts). I can think of at least 5 other institutions that the ACC would want that's within the ACC's 'footprint' instead of South Carolina.

I mention South Carolina because they are expendable to the SEC. They are not an original member like Florida and Georgia and have no long term ties to the SEC.
If you were the SEC commissioner and had to lose one team, your two top choices would be South Carolina and Mississippi State, right?

I agree that South Carolina is no great prize, but they are a cultural "fit" (more akin to Clemson and NC State than to Dook and UVa) and they have great physical location for the ACC.

Florida, Penn State and Rutgers are much larger than any ACC school. Georgia is the soul of the SEC and would never leave them and UConn won't be invited to the ACC (lawsuit). If Notre Dame is to join the ACC and needs a partner (16) and the SEC can continue to move west (with Texas, OU and OSU), don't be surprised when South Carolina re-joins the ACC.

I'd still be surprised. Many ACC fans, including me, would love to see SC come back. I believe the door was open as late as 2005. After that I think the door closed permanently.

(11-25-2011 10:09 AM)Wolfman Wrote:  I don't understand the fascination with ND. I can see the ACC coddling certain public schools in Florida that want to add a prominent football program. I think ND is questionable in this category. Don't get me wrong. They have a good football program as well as other sports. But when I think of the top 10 programs over the last 25 years, ND doesn't make the list.

ND has a reputation for flirting. They have flirted with the B1G for the last 50(?) years. In 1999(?) the B10 gave ND everything they wanted and it was a done deal. Done until ND backed out. I just hope the ACC doesn't spend the next 50 years flirting with ND. Especially when there are good schools out there that WANT to be part of the ACC.

Add Uconn and Rutgers now and move on with building the conference. BOTH are top 100 schools. They complete the ACC footprint.

Everyone needs a rival. BC and Uconn could move theirs from the media to the field. RU could be a great rival for Maryland and are in a sizable DMA.

Top 10 in what? Overall, football? I know ND hasn't been spectacular as of late in football but you have to be kidding me if you think Rutgers or UConn are better. What good schools are even there?
In using academics as a measure the only candidates for #15 & #16 are as follows:
#19 Notre Dame
#45 Texas(flirted but not a real option)
#50 Tulane
#58 UConn
#68 Rutgers
ACC's lowest #101
#111 South Carolina(since it was mentioned)
#143 Cincy
#160 Texas Tech(Texas's companion)
#164 Louisville
#177 UCF
#181 USF
#194 ECU

So to keep academic standards we got 4 schools competing for those 2 spots. Tulane is a non-factor, UConn is worthless outside of basketball and Rutgers is just worthless outside of location.
I'd rather keep the door open for 50 years rather than blowing the chance to get a school such as ND into the conference.

I'd say just take Rutgers and UConn and wrap up control of the eastern seaboard. Then they are done with it.

(11-25-2011 08:36 AM)Hoquista Wrote:  

(11-24-2011 07:38 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  

(11-24-2011 10:17 AM)Hoquista Wrote:  Certainly South Carolina has a large and passionate fanbase (I know as I lived in update SC for almost 8 years).

Where 'bouts?

Central

Living that far out in the boonies after going to Pitt? Talk about a lifestyle change. I'm near Spartanburg myself.

(11-25-2011 10:09 AM)Wolfman Wrote:  I don't understand the fascination with ND. I can see the ACC coddling certain public schools in Florida that want to add a prominent football program. I think ND is questionable in this category. Don't get me wrong. They have a good football program as well as other sports. But when I think of the top 10 programs over the last 25 years, ND doesn't make the list.

ND has a reputation for flirting. They have flirted with the B1G for the last 50(?) years. In 1999(?) the B10 gave ND everything they wanted and it was a done deal. Done until ND backed out. I just hope the ACC doesn't spend the next 50 years flirting with ND. Especially when there are good schools out there that WANT to be part of the ACC.

Add Uconn and Rutgers now and move on with building the conference. BOTH are top 100 schools. They complete the ACC footprint.

Everyone needs a rival. BC and Uconn could move theirs from the media to the field. RU could be a great rival for Maryland and are in a sizable DMA.

Well, ND has a coast to coast fan base. Do you think that the ACC would use the inclusion of ND to try to get more TV dollars?

There is a reason that ND is the only individual school that has an over the air national TV network contract.

ND fans travel well to away games and to bowl games. Ask the Pitt fans how many ND games sell out and how many non ND games sell out at Heinz Field.

Ask Pitt fans why their school charges more for the ND game than the other Pitt home games.

ND has a very good overall sports program, from football to basketball to lacrosse to soccer, etc....

Academically, ND fits the ACC profile very well. I still don't want it to happen, but I certainly can see why the ACC wants ND to join the conference.

(11-25-2011 01:52 PM)TerryD Wrote:  

(11-25-2011 10:09 AM)Wolfman Wrote:  I don't understand the fascination with ND. I can see the ACC coddling certain public schools in Florida that want to add a prominent football program. I think ND is questionable in this category. Don't get me wrong. They have a good football program as well as other sports. But when I think of the top 10 programs over the last 25 years, ND doesn't make the list.

ND has a reputation for flirting. They have flirted with the B1G for the last 50(?) years. In 1999(?) the B10 gave ND everything they wanted and it was a done deal. Done until ND backed out. I just hope the ACC doesn't spend the next 50 years flirting with ND. Especially when there are good schools out there that WANT to be part of the ACC.

Add Uconn and Rutgers now and move on with building the conference. BOTH are top 100 schools. They complete the ACC footprint.

Everyone needs a rival. BC and Uconn could move theirs from the media to the field. RU could be a great rival for Maryland and are in a sizable DMA.

Well, ND has a coast to coast fan base. Do you think that the ACC would use the inclusion of ND to try to get more TV dollars?

There is a reason that ND is the only individual school that has an over the air national TV network contract.

ND fans travel well to away games and to bowl games. Ask the Pitt fans how many ND games sell out and how many non ND games sell out at Heinz Field.

Ask Pitt fans why their school charges more for the ND game than the other Pitt home games.

ND has a very good overall sports program, from football to basketball to lacrosse to soccer, etc....

Academically, ND fits the ACC profile very well. I still don't want it to happen, but I certainly can see why the ACC wants ND to join the conference.

Calm down TerryD. We all know Notre Dame is well qualified to join the ACC. Now if we can just get enough votes to get you in.

(11-25-2011 01:57 PM)XLance Wrote:  

(11-25-2011 01:52 PM)TerryD Wrote:  

(11-25-2011 10:09 AM)Wolfman Wrote:  I don't understand the fascination with ND. I can see the ACC coddling certain public schools in Florida that want to add a prominent football program. I think ND is questionable in this category. Don't get me wrong. They have a good football program as well as other sports. But when I think of the top 10 programs over the last 25 years, ND doesn't make the list.

ND has a reputation for flirting. They have flirted with the B1G for the last 50(?) years. In 1999(?) the B10 gave ND everything they wanted and it was a done deal. Done until ND backed out. I just hope the ACC doesn't spend the next 50 years flirting with ND. Especially when there are good schools out there that WANT to be part of the ACC.

Add Uconn and Rutgers now and move on with building the conference. BOTH are top 100 schools. They complete the ACC footprint.

Everyone needs a rival. BC and Uconn could move theirs from the media to the field. RU could be a great rival for Maryland and are in a sizable DMA.

Well, ND has a coast to coast fan base. Do you think that the ACC would use the inclusion of ND to try to get more TV dollars?

There is a reason that ND is the only individual school that has an over the air national TV network contract.

ND fans travel well to away games and to bowl games. Ask the Pitt fans how many ND games sell out and how many non ND games sell out at Heinz Field.

Ask Pitt fans why their school charges more for the ND game than the other Pitt home games.

ND has a very good overall sports program, from football to basketball to lacrosse to soccer, etc....

Academically, ND fits the ACC profile very well. I still don't want it to happen, but I certainly can see why the ACC wants ND to join the conference.

Calm down TerryD. We all know Notre Dame is well qualified to join the ACC. Now if we can just get enough votes to get you in.

Oh, I am way calm. I also want ND to remain independent.

I was just trying to answer Wolfman's question.

Notre Dame is a top draw for TV and would be a welcome addition to any Conference. I suspect Notre Dame would probably not join the ACC unless it was forced. For example the Big East implodes or the BCS conferences decide to exclude Notre Dame or the TV dollars become too big for Notre Dame to compete with the other conferences.
Other than that I probably do not see Notre Dame joining the ACC for a while.
I do think the fit for Notre Dame is probably best with the ACC. Notre Dame could have a 9 game ACC schedule and also play USC, two of Stanford/Michigan/Michigan State/Purdue/Navy

(11-22-2011 02:52 PM)ndlutz Wrote:  I think he's wrong.

I'm not quite ready to put a specific time-frame on this (unless "5-20 years" counts as specific), but I do think ND, eventually, will have to either join a conference for football, or else accept a near-permanent reality in which 8-4 or 9-3 represents their competitive ceiling (with several 7-5, 6-6-type seasons mixed in for measure). They can probably keep the NBC contract as long as they want it, but forget about national championships. Elite, "BCS"-type bowl games? Maybe once a decade.

(11-25-2011 01:02 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  

(11-25-2011 08:36 AM)Hoquista Wrote:  

(11-24-2011 07:38 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  

(11-24-2011 10:17 AM)Hoquista Wrote:  Certainly South Carolina has a large and passionate fanbase (I know as I lived in update SC for almost 8 years).

Where 'bouts?

Central

Living that far out in the boonies after going to Pitt? Talk about a lifestyle change. I'm near Spartanburg myself.

I don't have many complaints about Central. I did meet my wife while living there.