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ok I found that 1.4 billion, you guys should have taken it. there is no way that offer is coming back
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(11-20-2011 10:57 PM)NoQuarter08 Wrote:  $8M to $12M for Football only??? You've got to be kidding me. Link??? There's no way in Hell I believe that. I don't care who said that .......Big East football only is NOT worth that much.

Here's your link

“But the Big East contract is due for renegotiation in 2012 and knowledgeable sources universally point to significantly increased conference media revenue in the upcoming contract,” he said. “No guarantees, but a very strong likelihood, in my judgment.”

The new deal could be worth $8 million to $10 million annually to each football-playing school.


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Big East Commissioner John Marinatto made trips to Boise State and Air Force to make a pitch about joining their league and it is coming out that the increase in revenue could be as much as $8 - $10 million per year.

(11-21-2011 12:25 AM)randaddyminer Wrote:  Those numbers are so out of whack... Do you really think your football conference is going to get more than the Big 12? I find that hard to believe. I guarantee you the conference as a whole will not get more than 60 million per year.

Last march you guys would have gotten a 460 million 6 year deal, which was 76.6 million per year and that was before all this turmoil and schools leaving your conference.

Where'd you get your numbers?

Here is the link so stop being a know it all A-hole

"Sources indicate the early numbers range from $110 million to $130 million annually, but conference sources describe those figures as a starting point for any negotiation. The initial offer would fall short of the $155 million annual payout the ACC will receive from ESPN in a deal that kicks in this summer. But the bold push by ESPN shows the network wants to lock down college rights in the face of increasing competition."



This is the part where I say you're both idiots and your hatred towards the Big East has severely clouded your brains.

ESPN tried to low-ball the BE because they thought they owned college athletics, BE said screw you we'll get a better offer, ESPN went in cahoots with the ACC and BIG XII to try to destroy the BE before their contract was up and they sign with a competitor. BE said screw you again, want to cut off our head? we'll grow two more and be bigger and badder. Fox Sports or NBC will swoop in with this offer as the Big East practically covers the entire country. ESPN knows other networks like Fox, NBC/Comcast, and Turner are starting to realize how much money can be made from college athletics. Can you imagine if one season there was an NFL and NBA lockout? College sports would rule the airwaves and whoever has that contract will make major MOOLA$$$$$.

When it's all said and done it doesnt really matter, the SEC dominates in football.
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(11-21-2011 12:50 AM)randaddyminer Wrote:  
(11-21-2011 12:34 AM)stever20 Wrote:  In this day and age, 8-12 million per school could be realistic. Big East would have some advantages on the other conferences...
1- conference spread out over all time zones. Means they can schedule a noon game or a 10pm game. Flexibility is key there.
2- Have some good media markets in conference.
3- only sports property up for sale.
4- small thing called Big East basketball. I think they could bundle both basketball and football for a much larger deal...

For football only- a deal for $100-$125 million per year is very reasonable. That would be between 8-10 million per school. And that's if it doesn't get into a bidding war- which is possible. And, if basketball is bundled- it would get a very high price. For one- it's the ONLY thing out there. With supply being low, the price will go up.

big 12 deal is 90 (bball and football) million per year, I find it very hard to believe that the big east would get more money than the big 12 for football.

The Big12 has 2 deals. They just signed a one with Fox (90 million per year) and they have an older deal that runs through 2016 with ABC (65 million per year). The new 90 million dollar a year Fox deal was just signed in April 2011. Combined, thats 155 milliion. But keep in mind, the ABC deal is a much older deal, so assuming the rights are split evenly between Fox and ABC, the current market value of the total rights would be closer to double the most recent 90 million dollar contract. Thats 180 million for a 10 team conference. Also this is minus any rights that are still held by the Longhorn Network which has a 15 million dollar a year separate contract. So, if the entire package of Big 12 TV contract rights became available today, bidding would likely start at least 195 million. FYI-The SEC makes $205 million per year (12 teams) and the Big10 makes $220 million per year---but both are older agreements. The Big10 contract is from 2006 and the SEC's is from 2009. The $140+ million dollar deals being quoted for the Big East as a 12 team conference would still be significantly below the other power conferences on a per team basis.


http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=6352185
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I still doubt the big east will get anywhere near 8 million/team for football and 5 million/team for basketball. That would be close to 200 million per year. If the last offer was 1.4 billion for 9 years, and since then the big east has lost pitt, syracuse, tcu and wvu, I just don't see it happening. If the last deal was for 33 million per year, I can maybe see it doubling, but not much more
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(11-21-2011 03:12 AM)randaddyminer Wrote:  I still doubt the big east will get anywhere near 8 million/team for football and 5 million/team for basketball. That would be close to 200 million per year. If the last offer was 1.4 billion for 9 years, and since then the big east has lost pitt, syracuse, tcu and wvu, I just don't see it happening. If the last deal was for 33 million per year, I can maybe see it doubling, but not much more

Well then, thank god BE is not counting on you for any common sense. Just wait and see what BE will end up with. I am guessing it will be a lot closer to the numbers I predicted.

For the record, the deal BE turned down from ESPN would have paid BE football schools roughly $15.3M per year. You really think BE will settle for much less in an open market?
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(11-20-2011 10:30 PM)canewton Wrote:  
(11-20-2011 10:08 AM)TOGC Wrote:  
(11-20-2011 09:41 AM)No Bull Wrote:  
(11-20-2011 09:37 AM)TOGC Wrote:  The Big East needs BYU and Boise State more than Air Force, Navy, UCF, SMU, and Houston. If the two western teams don't join, this thing falls apart.

I don't see Boise ST and BYU joining at this point, But the Big east will add UCF, SM<U and Houston for sure. Then at least two football onmly schools. They will really try to land Navy and probably temple, if Navy does not join...ECU will join as football only.

ECU isn't even on the radar.

Neither is Memphis.

Actually, Memphis is. Those eight non-football schools aren't happy voting in three awful basketball programs of UH, UCF, and SMU.
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(11-21-2011 01:03 AM)ivet Wrote:  
(11-20-2011 10:57 PM)NoQuarter08 Wrote:  $8M to $12M for Football only??? You've got to be kidding me. Link??? There's no way in Hell I believe that. I don't care who said that .......Big East football only is NOT worth that much.

Here's your link

“But the Big East contract is due for renegotiation in 2012 and knowledgeable sources universally point to significantly increased conference media revenue in the upcoming contract,” he said. “No guarantees, but a very strong likelihood, in my judgment.”

The new deal could be worth $8 million to $10 million annually to each football-playing school.


Here is another one

Big East Commissioner John Marinatto made trips to Boise State and Air Force to make a pitch about joining their league and it is coming out that the increase in revenue could be as much as $8 - $10 million per year.

(11-21-2011 12:25 AM)randaddyminer Wrote:  Those numbers are so out of whack... Do you really think your football conference is going to get more than the Big 12? I find that hard to believe. I guarantee you the conference as a whole will not get more than 60 million per year.

Last march you guys would have gotten a 460 million 6 year deal, which was 76.6 million per year and that was before all this turmoil and schools leaving your conference.

Where'd you get your numbers?

Here is the link so stop being a know it all A-hole

"Sources indicate the early numbers range from $110 million to $130 million annually, but conference sources describe those figures as a starting point for any negotiation. The initial offer would fall short of the $155 million annual payout the ACC will receive from ESPN in a deal that kicks in this summer. But the bold push by ESPN shows the network wants to lock down college rights in the face of increasing competition."



This is the part where I say you're both idiots and your hatred towards the Big East has severely clouded your brains.

ESPN tried to low-ball the BE because they thought they owned college athletics, BE said screw you we'll get a better offer, ESPN went in cahoots with the ACC and BIG XII to try to destroy the BE before their contract was up and they sign with a competitor. BE said screw you again, want to cut off our head? we'll grow two more and be bigger and badder. Fox Sports or NBC will swoop in with this offer as the Big East practically covers the entire country. ESPN knows other networks like Fox, NBC/Comcast, and Turner are starting to realize how much money can be made from college athletics. Can you imagine if one season there was an NFL and NBA lockout? College sports would rule the airwaves and whoever has that contract will make major MOOLA$$$$$.

When it's all said and done it doesnt really matter, the SEC dominates in football.

Big difference between football playing and football only. Like I said I'll believe it when I see it. BE cash cow is basketball so I can't imagine the football portion of the contract being worth that much. Thanks for the link though.
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I thought I had missed the announcements, thought they were going to be before College Game Day in Houston. Or maybe they were going to and then decided not to and that caused Corso to drop the F bomb on TV LOL
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(11-21-2011 03:12 AM)randaddyminer Wrote:  I still doubt the big east will get anywhere near 8 million/team for football and 5 million/team for basketball. That would be close to 200 million per year. If the last offer was 1.4 billion for 9 years, and since then the big east has lost pitt, syracuse, tcu and wvu, I just don't see it happening. If the last deal was for 33 million per year, I can maybe see it doubling, but not much more

Haha, the guy shows you about 5 different links disagreeing with you. All you do is say "well I still dont agree because bla bla bla." Theres no convincing you guys. I just hope whatever is left the alliance will even have a TV contract.
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I just opened this thread to see what month it started in.
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(11-21-2011 10:30 AM)thunderingherd9999 Wrote:  
(11-21-2011 03:12 AM)randaddyminer Wrote:  I still doubt the big east will get anywhere near 8 million/team for football and 5 million/team for basketball. That would be close to 200 million per year. If the last offer was 1.4 billion for 9 years, and since then the big east has lost pitt, syracuse, tcu and wvu, I just don't see it happening. If the last deal was for 33 million per year, I can maybe see it doubling, but not much more

Haha, the guy shows you about 5 different links disagreeing with you. All you do is say "well I still dont agree because bla bla bla." Theres no convincing you guys. I just hope whatever is left the alliance will even have a TV contract.

so you think losing syracuse, pitt, wvu, and tcu is going to pull in the same TV contract?
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(11-21-2011 04:19 AM)SF Husky Wrote:  
(11-21-2011 03:12 AM)randaddyminer Wrote:  I still doubt the big east will get anywhere near 8 million/team for football and 5 million/team for basketball. That would be close to 200 million per year. If the last offer was 1.4 billion for 9 years, and since then the big east has lost pitt, syracuse, tcu and wvu, I just don't see it happening. If the last deal was for 33 million per year, I can maybe see it doubling, but not much more

Well then, thank god BE is not counting on you for any common sense. Just wait and see what BE will end up with. I am guessing it will be a lot closer to the numbers I predicted.

For the record, the deal BE turned down from ESPN would have paid BE football schools roughly $15.3M per year. You really think BE will settle for much less in an open market?

Let's put it this way, if you're going to pay for a 30 second spot, are you going to pay the same for a big east football game as a big 12, pac 12, SEC or big 10 game? Outside of the big east fans, there isn't too much demand for big east football, especially with out wvu, pitt or tcu
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(11-21-2011 01:53 PM)randaddyminer Wrote:  
(11-21-2011 04:19 AM)SF Husky Wrote:  
(11-21-2011 03:12 AM)randaddyminer Wrote:  I still doubt the big east will get anywhere near 8 million/team for football and 5 million/team for basketball. That would be close to 200 million per year. If the last offer was 1.4 billion for 9 years, and since then the big east has lost pitt, syracuse, tcu and wvu, I just don't see it happening. If the last deal was for 33 million per year, I can maybe see it doubling, but not much more

Well then, thank god BE is not counting on you for any common sense. Just wait and see what BE will end up with. I am guessing it will be a lot closer to the numbers I predicted.

For the record, the deal BE turned down from ESPN would have paid BE football schools roughly $15.3M per year. You really think BE will settle for much less in an open market?

Let's put it this way, if you're going to pay for a 30 second spot, are you going to pay the same for a big east football game as a big 12, pac 12, SEC or big 10 game? Outside of the big east fans, there isn't too much demand for big east football, especially with out wvu, pitt or tcu

Actually you have inadvertantly swerved into the truth here. You are correct, outside of the east there was limited interest in Big East football. Thats why the move to the west was actually brilliant. They added some winning programs that will make the Big East relevant in the west, where they were not before. As has already been proven, the 140-160 will still be less than other stronger confernces for football. For basketball, the Big East is THE premier conference, so yes, they will get signficantly MORE than other conferences for thier basketball contract.
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Used to be the premier basketball conference, that honor has moved to the ACC along with Cuse and Pitt, West Virginia leaving for the Big 12 hurt too. Replacing those consistent top 20 programs with UCF, SMU and Houston will never even be close. The ACC is now going to be the premier basketball conference.
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(11-21-2011 02:35 PM)Eagleweiser Wrote:  Used to be the premier basketball conference, that honor has moved to the ACC along with Cuse and Pitt, West Virginia leaving for the Big 12 hurt too. Replacing those consistent top 20 programs with UCF, SMU and Houston will never even be close. The ACC is now going to be the premier basketball conference.

Funny how people forget how much the football losses also hurt basketball.
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(11-20-2011 12:27 AM)PirateMarv Wrote:  
(11-19-2011 11:35 PM)ArmoredUpKnight Wrote:  
(11-19-2011 11:23 PM)No Bull Wrote:  I just don't see BYU and AFA joining.... that means no Boise ST or Navy... If Marinatto wants the Big EAST to survive (and I don't mean as an AQ) He better plan on adding Temple and ECU as football only.....

What are you talking about?

BYU is pretty much done if it weren't for ESPN. Marc Daniels even tweeted about it earlier that BYU was done and signed but ESPN wont let them out of their current independence contract.

There is a really good chance that the Big East will not expand, because ESPN and a couple of AQ conferences seems to have an agenda to cripple the Big East by doing away with AQ status. ESPN is definitley on board with breaking the Big East down and today ESPN even ran a a poll on twitter (during the Rutgers/Cincy game) asking if the AQ status should be removed. Of course the announcers all said yes; which is in line with each new article from ESPN seemingly rooting for proposed changes to the BCS eliminating AQ status due to UConn's performance in the Fiesta Bowl.

It seems like if ESPN is against the Big East, then the Big East is going to have a really hard time getting a big television contract; because none of those remaining networks are going to be bidding against themselves.

The CUSA 3 may have signed, but those offers reportedly are conditional. The Condition is that ALL of the teams to whom the offers were made come on board. That means without Navy, AFA and Boise (all 3) no one (UCF, SMU and UH) comes on board. AFA probably won't go. That means NAVY won't go. So they have to have BYU and SDSU to offset the loss and add a "western" division. Without the western division Boise doesn't go.

To offer ECU and Temple they have to go back to the BB schools who are getting tired of it and can stop anything it wants.

Also, the BE basketball schools DO NOT want to upset ESPN. ESPN and ABC on the weekends MADE BE basketball. They make more money on BB than Football TV rights. So there appears to be a 50/50 chance that there is no expansion.
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(11-21-2011 02:54 PM)PaulDel2 Wrote:  
(11-20-2011 12:27 AM)PirateMarv Wrote:  
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(11-19-2011 11:23 PM)No Bull Wrote:  I just don't see BYU and AFA joining.... that means no Boise ST or Navy... If Marinatto wants the Big EAST to survive (and I don't mean as an AQ) He better plan on adding Temple and ECU as football only.....

What are you talking about?

BYU is pretty much done if it weren't for ESPN. Marc Daniels even tweeted about it earlier that BYU was done and signed but ESPN wont let them out of their current independence contract.

There is a really good chance that the Big East will not expand, because ESPN and a couple of AQ conferences seems to have an agenda to cripple the Big East by doing away with AQ status. ESPN is definitley on board with breaking the Big East down and today ESPN even ran a a poll on twitter (during the Rutgers/Cincy game) asking if the AQ status should be removed. Of course the announcers all said yes; which is in line with each new article from ESPN seemingly rooting for proposed changes to the BCS eliminating AQ status due to UConn's performance in the Fiesta Bowl.

It seems like if ESPN is against the Big East, then the Big East is going to have a really hard time getting a big television contract; because none of those remaining networks are going to be bidding against themselves.

The CUSA 3 may have signed, but those offers reportedly are conditional. The Condition is that ALL of the teams to whom the offers were made come on board. That means without Navy, AFA and Boise (all 3) no one (UCF, SMU and UH) comes on board. AFA probably won't go. That means NAVY won't go. So they have to have BYU and SDSU to offset the loss and add a "western" division. Without the western division Boise doesn't go.

To offer ECU and Temple they have to go back to the BB schools who are getting tired of it and can stop anything it wants.

Also, the BE basketball schools DO NOT want to upset ESPN. ESPN and ABC on the weekends MADE BE basketball. They make more money on BB than Football TV rights. So there appears to be a 50/50 chance that there is no expansion.

Not sure about that the "conditional" part is an issue any longer. I think the "condition" has probably been met. If you notice, no news article has reported the invites being conditional since late October. No article has refered to these invites being conditional during November. I think whatever "condition" the invites were issued with has been met and dealt with.
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If the conditions had been dealt with, I can't see anyway in the world Houston did not announce on College Game Day. I think their are still some issues being dealt with and I would not doubt that it is 50/50 as to whether all of it works out or not.
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(11-21-2011 04:47 PM)Eagleweiser Wrote:  If the conditions had been dealt with, I can't see anyway in the world Houston did not announce on College Game Day. I think their are still some issues being dealt with and I would not doubt that it is 50/50 as to whether all of it works out or not.

Where do all you USM fans get this 50/50 thing from?
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(11-21-2011 03:12 AM)randaddyminer Wrote:  I still doubt the big east will get anywhere near 8 million/team for football and 5 million/team for basketball. That would be close to 200 million per year. If the last offer was 1.4 billion for 9 years, and since then the big east has lost pitt, syracuse, tcu and wvu, I just don't see it happening. If the last deal was for 33 million per year, I can maybe see it doubling, but not much more

Well then, thank god BE is not counting on you for any common sense. Just wait and see what BE will end up with. I am guessing it will be a lot closer to the numbers I predicted.

For the record, the deal BE turned down from ESPN would have paid BE football schools roughly $15.3M per year. You really think BE will settle for much less in an open market?

Let's put it this way, if you're going to pay for a 30 second spot, are you going to pay the same for a big east football game as a big 12, pac 12, SEC or big 10 game? Outside of the big east fans, there isn't too much demand for big east football, especially with out wvu, pitt or tcu

Actually you have inadvertantly swerved into the truth here. You are correct, outside of the east there was limited interest in Big East football. Thats why the move to the west was actually brilliant. They added some winning programs that will make the Big East relevant in the west, where they were not before. As has already been proven, the 140-160 will still be less than other stronger confernces for football. For basketball, the Big East is THE premier conference, so yes, they will get signficantly MORE than other conferences for thier basketball contract.

I don't think the move was for exposure, I believe it was done to keep the AQ status, because with out AQ status, the big east would have as much appeal as the MWC did with BYU, Utah and TCU. Houston, SMU and UCF, do not bring in a brand name, and out of the expansion candidates, only BSU brings a brand, which oddly enough, loses appeal the more they win.

The inventory argument doesn't grab my attention for football, as it is, all the major conferences are playing on all the espn networds non stop on saturdays, but I guess you could fill in the tuesday, thursday slots. I just don't see the value, with out adding brand names.

In some ways I do feel bad for the big east, because I'm sure espn's manipulation is the reason why teams left the big east, but for that reason alone, I think the big east will suffer when negotiating a new TV deal.
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