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Thirty six turnovers!!! Thats what we used to do to teams like Akron and Ball St. back in th 90's. Of course that was when half the womens coaches did not have a clue. We know that's not true with Kent so this can only be due to a miserable lack of talent. This is a year when the whole world knew he was graduating 5 starters and yet he still could not get kids to sign-up. Even with guaranteed playing time they don't want to sign. He has to go. This is more than Rubis and Zona bashing him back in 2002. He and maybe Bodnar just don't have the enthusiasm and can't close the deal with recruits anymore. This will not turn around with the current coaches. Through the last 8 years they always had a couple of good players but over the last 3 years he hasn't recruited any one of significance. When the last of his decent recruits graduated last year it collapsed. I'd be willing to bet there will be no significant Novemeber recruits and that at least 3 or 4 of the current players won;t return next year. You just can't run a program that way. He gave us a good run but it's over.
11-12-2011 06:46 PM
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I just read that a recruit decommitted from Kent State and switched to Ohio State when a spot opened up there. Her name is Craft and she is the sister of the OSU men's point guard with the same name.
11-12-2011 08:27 PM
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Didn't the women's team win 20 games last year? Normally that is something to be celebrated right? I even think a lot of coaches have a 20 win season written into their contract as an automatic one year renewal. I bet the men's coach does. Interesting...from a 20 win season to "show em the door". "over the last 3 years he hasn't recruited any one of significance." if this statement is true, they must be great coaches to have won 20 games with no talent!?
11-13-2011 09:14 PM
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You haven't been here for awhile. You only show up to defend this program. Just for the record last years team did win 20 but never looked like they had a chance to win the MAC. Also all were recruited 4-5 years ago with the exception of a junior college transfer. Last years freshman are all gone. Only one of last years sophs are left. A very journeyman center. There were no juniors last year. I think that qualifies as 3 years without any good recruits. It's not a good situation. Something has changed and it's not getting better.

You talk about the mens coach. What do you think would happen if they had 11 players and only 3 returned. Five graduations and three defections. I think they would be calling for his head. You are defending something that cannot be defended anymore.
11-13-2011 09:43 PM
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Remember, the womens program get 15 scholarships to work with and there is little excuse not to use most if not all of them. My guess is that there are only 7-8 being used this year and none to a top recruit. IOW, the future is bleak. A good coach build programs with proper allocation to class numbers so there are no situations like we now have. It is sad when you have to ask men intramural players on campus to please come out and work with the womens team.
11-13-2011 10:15 PM
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So now 20 win seasons have a value? As in "that was a good 20 win season" or "that was 20 wins but it was ugly" or "sure they won 20 but they still sucked"? You're right I haven't been on here for a while, guess I got tired of reading the same uninformed rantings like yours that say the same thing year after year after year. Have you ever posted anything about women's hoops that didn't include a reference to two players from 2002? Wait, I can answer that....NO. I honestly believe you were disappointed that the team won 20 games last season.

A coach without a contract is dead in the water when it comes to recruiting. Lindsay may be done after this year and it won't have anything to do with wins or losses it will be because he and his associate head coach can be replaced for half the salary. The money saved will be used to further fund the football program that was already over budget before the season started because of, among other things, coaches salaries. The money saved can also be used to fend off lawsuits by former coaches.
11-14-2011 01:27 PM
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The way this season’s shaping up, no one is going to debate the quality of a 20 win season.

Why do we always seem to have a problem with women leaving or being pushed from this program? Do we have a greater turnover than other MAC schools? If so, what’s that about?

Final observation: Fans of the program seem to love or hate Bob Lindsey. Rarely do people who support the program fall in the middle. Hhmmm...
11-14-2011 02:26 PM
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(11-14-2011 01:27 PM)DrKahmansense Wrote:  So now 20 win seasons have a value? As in "that was a good 20 win season" or "that was 20 wins but it was ugly" or "sure they won 20 but they still sucked"? You're right I haven't been on here for a while, guess I got tired of reading the same uninformed rantings like yours that say the same thing year after year after year. Have you ever posted anything about women's hoops that didn't include a reference to two players from 2002? Wait, I can answer that....NO. I honestly believe you were disappointed that the team won 20 games last season.

A coach without a contract is dead in the water when it comes to recruiting. Lindsay may be done after this year and it won't have anything to do with wins or losses it will be because he and his associate head coach can be replaced for half the salary. The money saved will be used to further fund the football program that was already over budget before the season started because of, among other things, coaches salaries. The money saved can also be used to fend off lawsuits by former coaches.

Whatever money we’re spending on football coaches salaries, it appears they are starting to earn every penny of it.
11-14-2011 02:28 PM
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I know we are suing a former coach. Who are these former coaches who are suing us?
11-14-2011 02:44 PM
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The comment about 2002 was in response to an earlier post. The fact is he has not recruited good freshman for 4 years (don't know about this year yet although as a group they can't be too good). Even the Gibson, Shields, Harris class were average. Humes from the preivious year and Jones the junior college transfer carried the team the last two years. I understand a coach without a contract is at a disadvantage but whoever allowed this to happen should be criticized. If it's Lindsey or if it's the new management allowing football to be above all else it still isn't good. We will know that soon enough if you see programs like gymnastics, wrestling,etc. start to go down hill.

You will find no better supporter of the program when it comes to attending games but I have seen nothing to be positive about in the last 3 years. Yes winning 20 games is nice but they were not competitive with the top teams in the MAC (not just BG but Toledo and EMU). Also they are continuing to play weaker schedules as time goes on. No BCS schools this year when in the past at least one of those schools would come to Kent and they would play 1 or 2 on the road.

Just look how the attendance has dropped off. A whole lot of regulars no longer attend.
11-14-2011 03:22 PM
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I blame the fact the band no longer plays sing, sing, sing for the older folks. At the women's games they loved that.
11-14-2011 04:11 PM
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Good one. Most womens fans are 50+ or less than 10. Got to admit that one. Just remember your time will come. I'll get you from the nursing home if I get the chance.
11-14-2011 07:31 PM
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If you look at the past several BGSU teams they look very much like the successful KSU teams of the past, that's because Curt Miller used Bob Lindsay's successful MAC program as a model. You may also notice that the types of players that led to earlier success don't seem to be on the roster. The blue collar hard nosed kids from Wisconsin and rural programs in Ohio. A few years back their was a mandate to diversify and as the rosters took on a new look, things changed for KSU. It also changed for the fans. The women's fan base is older than the men's fan base. This is true nationwide, you should see the blue hairs at the Tennessee Vols games. I just don't think the KSU women's fans can relate to young ladies with tattoos up their arms and neck. It's a shame because as a whole they are great kids, it's just my opinion that the folks who sit on their hands at men's games and tell them to turn the music down struggle to relate to them as they did with the Zerman's, Bland's and Shearer's.

As for the lawsuit, I know of one ex-assistant football coach who will probably win a contract dispute. Especially when the former AD may testify on his behalf against KSU. More $$ wasted, much like the Ford situation. Somebody will have to answer for turning down $900,000 especially if it ends up costing the University instead.
11-14-2011 10:20 PM
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I agree with your first paragraph wholeheartedly. I think it might have effected how the team is coached since they probably feel their ability to recruit was hampered.
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11-15-2011 08:04 AM
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39 (!!!) turnovers in tonight's 78-44 loss to Robert Morris.

Can we just forfeit the season ???
11-15-2011 10:37 PM
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Well what I saw tonight was not as bad as I was expecting. I'm sure Morehead isn't going to win the NCAA but what we did was a lot better than losing by 40. They won 65-64 on a 3pt. shot by their center with only 3 seconds left. Here is what I saw that was not so good:

1. The turnovers will be with us all season. The point guard Hutcheson cannot handle a press. There are no real good ball handlers. However when Barroilhet brings the ball up she doesn't turn it over and that was how we kept the game from getting away. Gibson would really help this team but we will have to hope Lindsey can find a real point guard next year.

2. No height. Schaeffer on this team still will be a 15 minute a game back-up. She just keeps making the same mistakes. That means our starting center will be 5'10" Diamon Beckmond. She is a wide body but she can play. She hit the 3 to win the game. Her height will hurt her in a lot of games though. She is a Jr. college transfer so she has some experience.

3. Missed a lot of easy shots. We could have won the game by 10 if we could make the tougher lay-ups.

The good:

1. All 6 of our guards can play and they are tall. Barroilhet, Krewson start at the wings and both are 6' juniors. Krewson can score and has 18 per game so far. Barroilhet can't find her shot but she can play 4 positions and without her bringing the ball up it would get ugly. The other starter Hutcheson while not a natural point guard is 5'10" and showed some good ability getting to the basket. She scored about 10. The subs Stubbs (5'10") and Droste (5'7") will both be okay. Stubbs has a very good vertical leap, can score and plays good defense. She can be very very good if she works at it. Droste can play defense, brings energy and while she missed her 3 pt. shots it was obvious she had the go ahead to shoot them. These 2 freshmen will be very good eventually.
2. The Spanish player Coderch is 5'11" and is playing the 4 but she has wing skills. She also can score.

There is some potential here if we can add a decent recruiting class next year (a point guard and a bigger center) we could be a good team next year.

All in all I was pleasantly suprised with what I saw. I hope it wasn't a 1 game mirage.
11-18-2011 10:24 PM
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Nice to hear. Maybe things are not as bad as I had assumed.
11-18-2011 10:42 PM
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I was also there and very pleased with some of the younger players - a great number of whom can really shoot. Bob's Princeton offense has a chance to be really, really good with this group if it grows up together. A great crowd that no question the players fed off tonight. The win is nice psychologically for the team and coaches but the game-to-game improvement is what I think is important. I know it's just one game but I wouldn't be surprised if this team can get some things clicking come conference and tournament time.
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