http://www.scribd.com/fullscreen/73070373

About LHN, ESPN threatening Tech, and DeLoss-olomania

http://www.dallasnews.com/incoming/20111...loftin.ece

About Ken Starr not caring THAT much about texas football when it pertains to Houston

Proof of two things there. A&M did promote UH to the Big 12 (however disingenuous it may have been), and Ken Star/Baylor actively pushed to keep us out.

That's a crazy bunch of egos and agendas in the Big XII. I would like to see the emails and correspondence between Mizzou and the Big XII too. Bet that would be fun.

It is Texas' conference. Texas AD still runs the conference LOL. When would people finally figure that out? Ken Starr has as much influence on the B12 as New Mexico's president.

Sounds like there has been a lot of collusion between UT and ESPN.

ESPN may destroy college football if they are not stopped

It's really no secret why everybody who had the ability to leave quickly took advantage of that option.

I'm thanking my lucky stars that (so far at least) UH has the opportunity to get into an AQ conference that doesn't include U Texas.

We don't have to play that game anymore, and now they cannot stop UH from becomming every bit as competitive as U Texas usually has been, the same way we did when were were with them in the SWC.

On a side note, I know WVU is giddy as all get-out about joining the B12 now... I'm dubious that will last once they get to deal with UT dictating what the B12 does. Or maybe that doesn't matter to WVU and they will just toe the UT line like Baylor and Tech.

Just know that the egos involved at U Texas know no bounds, and they will screw the rest of the conference if it means they come out ahead.

We should stop saying ESPN.
Hell, we shouldn't even say ABC.
Disney.
That's right. Mickey Mouse wants to ruin college football.

(11-18-2011 02:21 PM)SMUmustangs Wrote:  Sounds like there has been a lot of collusion between UT and ESPN.

ESPN may destroy college football if they are not stopped

(11-18-2011 03:36 PM)MinerEric Wrote:  We should stop saying ESPN.
Hell, we shouldn't even say ABC.
Disney.
That's right. Mickey Mouse wants to ruin college football.

(11-18-2011 02:41 PM)FastCat Wrote:  I'm thanking my lucky stars that (so far at least) UH has the opportunity to get into an AQ conference that doesn't include U Texas.

We don't have to play that game anymore, and now they cannot stop UH from becomming every bit as competitive as U Texas usually has been, the same way we did when were were with them in the SWC.

On a side note, I know WVU is giddy as all get-out about joining the B12 now... I'm dubious that will last once they get to deal with UT dictating what the B12 does. Or maybe that doesn't matter to WVU and they will just toe the UT line like Baylor and Tech.

Just know that the egos involved at U Texas know no bounds, and they will screw the rest of the conference if it means they come out ahead.

What does that say about the Big East that WVU would do whatever it takes (including taking marching orders from Texas) to get out?

(11-18-2011 04:00 PM)Hokie4Skins Wrote:  

(11-18-2011 02:41 PM)FastCat Wrote:  I'm thanking my lucky stars that (so far at least) UH has the opportunity to get into an AQ conference that doesn't include U Texas.

We don't have to play that game anymore, and now they cannot stop UH from becomming every bit as competitive as U Texas usually has been, the same way we did when were were with them in the SWC.

On a side note, I know WVU is giddy as all get-out about joining the B12 now... I'm dubious that will last once they get to deal with UT dictating what the B12 does. Or maybe that doesn't matter to WVU and they will just toe the UT line like Baylor and Tech.

Just know that the egos involved at U Texas know no bounds, and they will screw the rest of the conference if it means they come out ahead.

What does that say about the Big East that WVU would do whatever it takes (including taking marching orders from Texas) to get out?

Its says to me, they are making a big mistake....They don't even have a clue what they are getting themselves into.

(11-18-2011 04:00 PM)Hokie4Skins Wrote:  

(11-18-2011 02:41 PM)FastCat Wrote:  I'm thanking my lucky stars that (so far at least) UH has the opportunity to get into an AQ conference that doesn't include U Texas.

We don't have to play that game anymore, and now they cannot stop UH from becomming every bit as competitive as U Texas usually has been, the same way we did when were were with them in the SWC.

On a side note, I know WVU is giddy as all get-out about joining the B12 now... I'm dubious that will last once they get to deal with UT dictating what the B12 does. Or maybe that doesn't matter to WVU and they will just toe the UT line like Baylor and Tech.

Just know that the egos involved at U Texas know no bounds, and they will screw the rest of the conference if it means they come out ahead.

What does that say about the Big East that WVU would do whatever it takes (including taking marching orders from Texas) to get out?

It says they are not thinking of the bigger picture. They reacted and did not even give the BE a chance to get a new TV deal. They think they are better off but in 6 to 10 years they will look at this differently.

Of course, a BE hater like yourself won't understand that.

(11-18-2011 04:40 PM)SF Husky Wrote:  

(11-18-2011 04:00 PM)Hokie4Skins Wrote:  

(11-18-2011 02:41 PM)FastCat Wrote:  I'm thanking my lucky stars that (so far at least) UH has the opportunity to get into an AQ conference that doesn't include U Texas.

We don't have to play that game anymore, and now they cannot stop UH from becomming every bit as competitive as U Texas usually has been, the same way we did when were were with them in the SWC.

On a side note, I know WVU is giddy as all get-out about joining the B12 now... I'm dubious that will last once they get to deal with UT dictating what the B12 does. Or maybe that doesn't matter to WVU and they will just toe the UT line like Baylor and Tech.

Just know that the egos involved at U Texas know no bounds, and they will screw the rest of the conference if it means they come out ahead.

What does that say about the Big East that WVU would do whatever it takes (including taking marching orders from Texas) to get out?

It says they are not thinking of the bigger picture. They reacted and did not even give the BE a chance to get a new TV deal. They think they are better off but in 6 to 10 years they will look at this differently.

Of course, a BE hater like yourself won't understand that.

Seems I remember something about the BE turning down a legitimate offer of a new TV deal, so WVU did give them a chance and the BE blew it. In 6-10 years, WVU will be thanking God that they had the opportunity to join the Big XII.

(11-18-2011 04:44 PM)Zombiewoof Wrote:  

(11-18-2011 04:40 PM)SF Husky Wrote:  

(11-18-2011 04:00 PM)Hokie4Skins Wrote:  

(11-18-2011 02:41 PM)FastCat Wrote:  I'm thanking my lucky stars that (so far at least) UH has the opportunity to get into an AQ conference that doesn't include U Texas.

We don't have to play that game anymore, and now they cannot stop UH from becomming every bit as competitive as U Texas usually has been, the same way we did when were were with them in the SWC.

On a side note, I know WVU is giddy as all get-out about joining the B12 now... I'm dubious that will last once they get to deal with UT dictating what the B12 does. Or maybe that doesn't matter to WVU and they will just toe the UT line like Baylor and Tech.

Just know that the egos involved at U Texas know no bounds, and they will screw the rest of the conference if it means they come out ahead.

What does that say about the Big East that WVU would do whatever it takes (including taking marching orders from Texas) to get out?

It says they are not thinking of the bigger picture. They reacted and did not even give the BE a chance to get a new TV deal. They think they are better off but in 6 to 10 years they will look at this differently.

Of course, a BE hater like yourself won't understand that.

Seems I remember something about the BE turning down a legitimate offer of a new TV deal, so WVU did give them a chance and the BE blew it. In 6-10 years, WVU will be thanking God that they had the opportunity to join the Big XII.

No they won't they will be miserable....They will find out how evil the Texas teams can be....Why do you think everyone left?

(11-18-2011 04:44 PM)Zombiewoof Wrote:  Seems I remember something about the BE turning down a legitimate offer of a new TV deal, so WVU did give them a chance and the BE blew it. In 6-10 years, WVU will be thanking God that they had the opportunity to join the Big XII.

LOL.. why do you think the BE blew it? Had they accepted that deal, they would have been screwed and be the lowest paid conference. Had everyone stay put, BE would have had a chance to negotiate for a much better TV deal. All indications from media consultants were pointing that way. This is why Marinatto was very confident about BE's new TV deal at the BE media day. All those schools panicked when they left cause all of them thought if they did not, someone else would. There was no trust between any of the schools.

All indications that BE might still end up with a nice deal with the new schools. We just have to wait and see. If the new deal is anywhere close or better than the B12 deal, I would say WVU would regret this decision in the long run. Their fans might not think that way now, but we will see in 5-10 years if the B12 is still around in its current shape.

(11-18-2011 05:06 PM)SF Husky Wrote:  

(11-18-2011 04:44 PM)Zombiewoof Wrote:  Seems I remember something about the BE turning down a legitimate offer of a new TV deal, so WVU did give them a chance and the BE blew it. In 6-10 years, WVU will be thanking God that they had the opportunity to join the Big XII.

LOL.. why do you think the BE blew it? Had they accepted that deal, they would have been screwed and be the lowest paid conference. Had everyone stay put, BE would have had a chance to negotiate for a much better TV deal. All indications from media consultants were pointing that way. This is why Marinatto was very confident about BE's new TV deal at the BE media day. All those schools panicked when they left cause all of them thought if they did not, someone else would. There was no trust between any of the schools.

All indications that BE might still end up with a nice deal with the new schools. We just have to wait and see. If the new deal is anywhere close or better than the B12 deal, I would say WVU would regret this decision in the long run. Their fans might not think that way now, but we will see in 5-10 years if the B12 is still around in its current shape.

Why is UCONN trying so hard to leave then?

(11-18-2011 04:46 PM)billetingman1 Wrote:  

(11-18-2011 04:44 PM)Zombiewoof Wrote:  

(11-18-2011 04:40 PM)SF Husky Wrote:  

(11-18-2011 04:00 PM)Hokie4Skins Wrote:  

(11-18-2011 02:41 PM)FastCat Wrote:  I'm thanking my lucky stars that (so far at least) UH has the opportunity to get into an AQ conference that doesn't include U Texas.

We don't have to play that game anymore, and now they cannot stop UH from becomming every bit as competitive as U Texas usually has been, the same way we did when were were with them in the SWC.

On a side note, I know WVU is giddy as all get-out about joining the B12 now... I'm dubious that will last once they get to deal with UT dictating what the B12 does. Or maybe that doesn't matter to WVU and they will just toe the UT line like Baylor and Tech.

Just know that the egos involved at U Texas know no bounds, and they will screw the rest of the conference if it means they come out ahead.

What does that say about the Big East that WVU would do whatever it takes (including taking marching orders from Texas) to get out?

It says they are not thinking of the bigger picture. They reacted and did not even give the BE a chance to get a new TV deal. They think they are better off but in 6 to 10 years they will look at this differently.

Of course, a BE hater like yourself won't understand that.

Seems I remember something about the BE turning down a legitimate offer of a new TV deal, so WVU did give them a chance and the BE blew it. In 6-10 years, WVU will be thanking God that they had the opportunity to join the Big XII.

No they won't they will be miserable....They will find out how evil the Texas teams can be....Why do you think everyone left?

In fairness, only UT is evil. Tech is just trapped and would leave the Big 12 in a heartbeat if they could (you tend to not be really loyal to a conference when it stands by and does nothing when it's TV partner tries to extort you in order to help your rival who that conference is willing to do anything for but nothing for you). Baylor is to UT as Toad is to Magneto: the slimy little runt who hangs out with the bully, doing his bidding in exchange for protection from his own vulnerability.

(11-18-2011 04:46 PM)billetingman1 Wrote:  

(11-18-2011 04:44 PM)Zombiewoof Wrote:  

(11-18-2011 04:40 PM)SF Husky Wrote:  

(11-18-2011 04:00 PM)Hokie4Skins Wrote:  

(11-18-2011 02:41 PM)FastCat Wrote:  I'm thanking my lucky stars that (so far at least) UH has the opportunity to get into an AQ conference that doesn't include U Texas.

We don't have to play that game anymore, and now they cannot stop UH from becomming every bit as competitive as U Texas usually has been, the same way we did when were were with them in the SWC.

On a side note, I know WVU is giddy as all get-out about joining the B12 now... I'm dubious that will last once they get to deal with UT dictating what the B12 does. Or maybe that doesn't matter to WVU and they will just toe the UT line like Baylor and Tech.

Just know that the egos involved at U Texas know no bounds, and they will screw the rest of the conference if it means they come out ahead.

What does that say about the Big East that WVU would do whatever it takes (including taking marching orders from Texas) to get out?

It says they are not thinking of the bigger picture. They reacted and did not even give the BE a chance to get a new TV deal. They think they are better off but in 6 to 10 years they will look at this differently.

Of course, a BE hater like yourself won't understand that.

Seems I remember something about the BE turning down a legitimate offer of a new TV deal, so WVU did give them a chance and the BE blew it. In 6-10 years, WVU will be thanking God that they had the opportunity to join the Big XII.

No they won't they will be miserable....They will find out how evil the Texas teams can be....Why do you think everyone left?

Yep, and maybe soon, Houston and the other "invites" will come to see just how stupid the BE is..... but like WVU, you are looking for anything better. And we all know Houston and SMU would have instantly accepted a Big XII invite if offered... and I wish the Big XII would have looked at Houston.

(11-18-2011 05:33 PM)USAFMEDIC Wrote:  

(11-18-2011 04:46 PM)billetingman1 Wrote:  

(11-18-2011 04:44 PM)Zombiewoof Wrote:  

(11-18-2011 04:40 PM)SF Husky Wrote:  

(11-18-2011 04:00 PM)Hokie4Skins Wrote:  What does that say about the Big East that WVU would do whatever it takes (including taking marching orders from Texas) to get out?

It says they are not thinking of the bigger picture. They reacted and did not even give the BE a chance to get a new TV deal. They think they are better off but in 6 to 10 years they will look at this differently.

Of course, a BE hater like yourself won't understand that.

Seems I remember something about the BE turning down a legitimate offer of a new TV deal, so WVU did give them a chance and the BE blew it. In 6-10 years, WVU will be thanking God that they had the opportunity to join the Big XII.

No they won't they will be miserable....They will find out how evil the Texas teams can be....Why do you think everyone left?

Yep, and maybe soon, Houston and the other "invites" will come to see just how stupid the BE is..... but like WVU, you are looking for anything better. And we all know Houston and SMU would have instantly accepted a Big XII invite if offered... and I wish the Big XII would have looked at Houston.

Never would have happened, you MU guys probably don't know about it, but UT has a really special level of pure bile reserved especially for UH and no one else and would NEVER have allowed UH to join the B12.

In a nutshell, UH routinely embarrassed UT during their first 15 years in the SWC and I believe (Coogs can help me with this) posted a 11-3-1 record against them in that period.

(11-18-2011 05:11 PM)EerMeNow Wrote:  

(11-18-2011 05:06 PM)SF Husky Wrote:  

(11-18-2011 04:44 PM)Zombiewoof Wrote:  Seems I remember something about the BE turning down a legitimate offer of a new TV deal, so WVU did give them a chance and the BE blew it. In 6-10 years, WVU will be thanking God that they had the opportunity to join the Big XII.

LOL.. why do you think the BE blew it? Had they accepted that deal, they would have been screwed and be the lowest paid conference. Had everyone stay put, BE would have had a chance to negotiate for a much better TV deal. All indications from media consultants were pointing that way. This is why Marinatto was very confident about BE's new TV deal at the BE media day. All those schools panicked when they left cause all of them thought if they did not, someone else would. There was no trust between any of the schools.

All indications that BE might still end up with a nice deal with the new schools. We just have to wait and see. If the new deal is anywhere close or better than the B12 deal, I would say WVU would regret this decision in the long run. Their fans might not think that way now, but we will see in 5-10 years if the B12 is still around in its current shape.

Why is UCONN trying so hard to leave then?

Dude.. when everyone else left, UCONN had no choice and was just looking out for its own future. ACC North is basically the former BE now. UCONN was fine in the BE dude. If everyone stayed put and added a few more schools, I am sure UCONN would have been fine in the BE.

Like I said, everyone else thought other schools would take their spot if they said NO to the ACC raid. People always think grass is greener on the other side, the reality is it might not be. If WVU got into the SEC, I would have congratulated them. B12? Its just another time bomb at a different location.

Finally, BE is not perfect by any means but it did gave WVU a place to grow and shine. WVU was able to go to a couple BCS bowls due to its affiliation with the BE. In the B12, I am 100% sure WVU is just a body to fill that required 10th spot for the TV deal B12 just signed.