[QUOTE]In that year when they do qualify, they would receive an at-large share, not a full-conference share. That share is currently $4.5 million. They would get an annual share, whether they play in a game or not, and an annual share, if I'm not mistaken, is a little over $1 million.

From the BCS presser link posted earlier.

1) Aren't these almost exactly the current Big East pay out to the conference representative $4.5 million, and to the rest of the schools $1 million?

2) Isn't the payout in other conferences smaller for the BCS representative because the Big East uses more of an incentive system?

3) It looks to me like Notre Dame is getting exactly the same money as all the football teams in the Big East now. So the only thing keeping them out of full membership is television money for their individual games. Is this laying the groundwork for Notre Dame to join as an "associated" football member ( member for BCS inclusion and money only) ?

4) Where does the $1 million a year for Notre Dame come from when they do not play in a BCS game? Where does the rest of the BCS money go when they do play in a BCS game?

Quote:Yuleofell Posted on Apr 29 2005, 09:02 PM
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Quote:In that year when they do qualify, they would receive an at-large share, not a full-conference share. That share is currently $4.5 million. They would get an annual share, whether they play in a game or not, and an annual share, if I'm not mistaken, is a little over $1 million.

1) Aren't these almost exactly the current Big East pay out to the conference representative $4.5 million, and to the rest of the schools $1 million?

Not quite. When Miami was in the league they did something like this. What the BE does is take a portion of all their Bowl monies and give the teams that go to the Bowl games a bigger piece than those that don't. They also give the 1st place finisher more of that pool of bowl monies than they do the 4th place finisher. However, last year all 4 finished in a first place tie. Rather than 4 million off the BCS Bowl pie, I believe it is down to 2.5 million now.

Quote:2) Isn't the payout in other conferences smaller for the BCS representative because the Big East uses more of an incentive system?

Perhaps, although some also give more to the BCS Bowl rep than other teams in the league - usually as a result of travel expenses. The main reason why the BE on average gets more from the BCS is because we only have 8 teams to divide up 14 million+ whereas the rest divide it up between 10-12 members. Of course, the others have better non-BCS Bowl tie-ins and eclipse the BE in terms of Total monies as a result. Not to mention bigger TV contracts as well.

Quote:3) It looks to me like Notre Dame is getting exactly the same money as all the football teams in the Big East now. So the only thing keeping them out of full membership is television money for their individual games. Is this laying the groundwork for Notre Dame to join as an "associated" football member ( member for BCS inclusion and money only) ?

Actually, what this does is make ND joining a conference even more unlikely. Right now ND makes between 9-10 million a year with their NBC football TV contract. They also receive slightly over 2 million a year from Big East basketball. This guaranteed additional $1 million a year now means a conference payout would need to $13 million or more for ND to even consider joining one. No conference currently averages more than $10 million to each of its members.

Of course, ND sees this BCS arrangement as a slap in the face, since they now will not receive the $14 million payout if they make a BCS game as they received when they last made one but rather only 4.5 million.

Quote:4) Where does the $1 million a year for Notre Dame come from when they do not play in a BCS game? Where does the rest of the BCS money go when they do play in a BCS game?

It all begins as a pool of money from the Bowl sponsors and TV dollars and then a certain percentage of the ticket revenue is added into it the pool.

Going into each season, the BCS Cartel knew they would need 84 million for the 6 conference shares for the auto-berth conferences, approximately 5 million for the non-auto berth conferences, about 1.5 million for 1-AA conferences and anywhere between 9 million and 28 million for the two at-large bids.

The worse case scenario of 28 million (ND and a non-auto berth conference champion) never happened. In the 7 years of the BCS, the 9 million payout was what happened 5 times and 18.5 million happened the other two times (ND and an at-large and Utah and an at-large). In the year in which the 18.5 million happens, usually the conferences only receive the guaranteed 14 million+. When the 9 million payout occurs, the BCS conference take is usually higher, like in 2003-04 when it was 17 million.

Hope this answers your questions.

Cheers,
Neil

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Second, the financial distribution of the ACC is equal, and it doesn't depend on athletic success like the Big East does.

The ACC does not alter the payouts for BCS representatives. I do not think the other conferences do either. I think only the Big East does and Notre Dame's new deal seems to be almost exactly what a Big East football member's split is.

Here are the official conference payouts in 2002-03:

ACC REVENUES
Clemson $11,074,338
Duke $9,908,358
Florida State $11,435,885
Georgia Tech $11,279,962
Maryland $11,104,031
North Carolina $9,834,452
NC State $10,856,505
Virginia $10,832,114
Wake Forest $11,292,168
Total $97,617,813

BIG EAST REVENUES
Boston College $6,202,652
Miami $9,651,630
Pittsburgh $6,984,222
Rutgers $4,156,323
Syracuse $5,263,585
Temple $1,639,485
Virginia Tech $5,811,615
West Virginia $6,924,340
Non-football members $14,977,152
Total $61,611,004

BIG TEN REVENUES
Illinois $10,007,222
Indiana $10,003,222
Iowa $9,991,222
Michigan $9,900,394
Michigan State $10,029,722
Minnesota $9,988,222
Northwestern $9,980,222
Ohio State $9,994,222
Penn State $9,989,222
Purdue $9,921,394
Wisconsin $10,041,222
Total $109,846,286

BIG 12 REVENUES
Baylor $4,731,539
Colorado $7,317,100
Iowa State $6,464,560
Kansas $6,131,062
Kansas State $5,733,814
Missouri $6,185,800
Nebraska $6,513,057
Oklahoma $7,931,767
Oklahoma State $6,026,284
Texas $7,322,499
Texas A&M $6,450,615
Texas Tech $6,459,670
Total $77,267,767


PAC-10 REVENUES
Arizona $6,009,382
Arizona State $7,166,846
California $5,797,401
Oregon $7,023,432
Oregon State $3,048,277
Stanford $6,432,799
UCLA $8,476,385
USC $9,972,960
Washington $6,578,001
Washington State $8,780,902
Total $69,286,370

SEC REVENUES
Alabama $6,412,811
Arkansas $8,965,099
Auburn $9,305,396
Florida $9,314,579
Georgia $8,241,207
Kentucky $6,309,646
LSU $9,151,099
Ole Miss $9,230,227
Mississippi State $9,137,342
South Carolina $9,125,227
Tennessee $9,140,227
Vanderbilt $8,692,727
Total $103,025,727


As you can see, the payouts are not exactly even in the ACC. They may try to make them as 'even' as possible, but some adjustments are made to compensate those teams who travel to Bowl games and to NCAA tourney sites.

Obviously the ACC payouts are more evenly distributed than the Big East payments were, but they are not as evenly distributed as the Big 10.

Pac 10 payouts are more in line with what the Big East does, as you can see USC's share is far larger than the others.

Big 12 and SEC payouts are somewhere between what the Big 10 and ACC try to do and what the Big East and Pac 10 do.

And as I stated in my post above, the Big East without Miami is lowering the incentive reward for the BCS team.

And even when Miami was in the league, taking 4.5 million off the top of the $16,562,222 the BCS gave the BE in 02-03 still left $12 million to be divided by the remaining 7 teams which is 1.71 million.


Cheers,
Neil