Cajunnation the Big East is not going to add schools just to add schools. The C-USA did this and they really screwed up. Do you really think they would have added all that dead weight in Tulsa, SMU and Rice if they knew that the BCS is going to look at overall conference strength.

Right now we need to stablize and build within. We need schools like USF, Rutgers and a rebuilding UC-(UC fans I not taking a shot at you, but you did lose a lot of good players last year). The Big East needs Robinson to get Syracuse back on track and it needs continued growth from Louisville, UConn, West Virginia and Pitt. In the short term UofL, WVU and Pitt will need to carry the football load until everyone else is up to speed.

Maize, You gotta be nuts to think SMU, Rice and tulsa are dead weight. We have some excellent mental institutions , you might check into one of them.

Bambu Wrote:Just skimming through your defensive crap,....

the only things that stick out to me are Div 1A for 3 years & in a BCS conf.  :snore:

The cellar stinks in any conference.

all right, i'll break it down for you, this is all i need to know about your program.

"I think our people would look very favorably upon a ninth team if it was the kind of school we wanted to be affiliated with and they brought some value. You don't just bring people in to solve a scheduling issue. That doesn't make sense. With the teams that are available, I don't think there's anybody out there who's going to bring us extra television value or bowl value."

:wave:

TopCoog Wrote:Maize, You gotta be nuts to think SMU, Rice and tulsa are dead weight. We have some excellent mental institutions , you might check into one of them.

Yeah Top Coog they are dead weight. Just look at their records this past year.

SMU-3-8/Craig James and Eric Dickerson AIN'T walking through that door. BCS Rankings 91 out of 117

Rice-3-8/BCS Ranking 97 out of 117

Tulsa-4-7/BCS Ranking of 88 out of 117

and I forgot the biggest dead weight of them all

UCF-0-11/BCS Ranking of 117 out of 117.

All 4 programs are ranked below the Big East lowest program in Rutgers. Most of our programs were in the Top 50 with 3 in the Top 30. C-DOA can't say that, their highest ranking school was UTEP at 31.

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Thats right Bull, in other words Penn State or Notre Dame. Nobody else even makes sense. They may decide they need Boston at some point but that is about it. The rest of this stuff is just nonsense.

USFMike Wrote:

Bambu Wrote:Just skimming through your defensive crap,....

the only things that stick out to me are Div 1A for 3 years & in a BCS conf.  :snore:

The cellar stinks in any conference.

all right, i'll break it down for you, this is all i need to know about your program.

"I think our people would look very favorably upon a ninth team if it was the kind of school we wanted to be affiliated with and they brought some value. You don't just bring people in to solve a scheduling issue. That doesn't make sense. With the teams that are available, I don't think there's anybody out there who's going to bring us extra television value or bowl value."

:wave:

We are not going to add a 9th school when we split unless they bring value to the conference. Add just for scheduling is flat out stupid.

Maize Wrote:

USFMike Wrote:

Bambu Wrote:Just skimming through your defensive crap,....

the only things that stick out to me are Div 1A for 3 years & in a BCS conf.  :snore:

The cellar stinks in any conference.

all right, i'll break it down for you, this is all i need to know about your program.

"I think our people would look very favorably upon a ninth team if it was the kind of school we wanted to be affiliated with and they brought some value. You don't just bring people in to solve a scheduling issue. That doesn't make sense. With the teams that are available, I don't think there's anybody out there who's going to bring us extra television value or bowl value."

:wave:

We are not going to add a 9th school when we split unless they bring value to the conference. Add just for scheduling is flat out stupid.

If we go to nine: ECU, UCF and Memphis are the three likely candidates. We'll see over the next two years who emerges.

Most of my posts look at school’s resource as the most important criteria as a good candidate is more important than past accomplishment. In today environment, the size of your budget reflects the level of your commitment to winning but not guarantee. Can you afford to live in the neighborhood? Not everyone can afford it.

The BE FB presidents voted Temple FB out of the league by 2002 but fear of lawsuit they didn’t get out until after 2004 season. Temple simply doesn’t have the resource to compete among their peer groups. I understand every programs and I mean every program goes through valley and hill but to never climb any hills is not fair for other programs put so much resource into their program, building facilities, filling their stadium, bring in bowl money, and able to hold on to their winning coaches.

Other consideration is market size but if you win everybody are your fans. We are living in an information age. The east coast people known which teams in the west coast won the game within a few seconds later. Winning and sustaining a winning tradition require a lot of resource. Some time your ability to access the resource is important as having resource like professional sport franchise able reach into public money for latest and greatest facilities. Public versus private institution, old money versus new money and those have the most will spend the most because they can. How about geographic consideration? I think it is very import for non-revenue sports not to spend so much money transport these teams across the country.

Remember we are not talking about ideal candidate in 1970, not 1980, not 1990, not 2000. We are talking about an ideal candidate for 2010 and beyond. Who ever we pick will be with us for a very long time and if they are not a good fit we are stuck with that choice unless they voluntary on their own to leave. I don’t want another Temple. Does anybody else want to go through that again? You have one program dragging the whole league. Everybody else working so hard to keep up with other major programs around the country only to have their effort hold down by one of their own member that can’t afford to made a commit to compete at the highest level.

USFMike Wrote:

Bambu Wrote:Just skimming through your defensive crap,....

the only things that stick out to me are Div 1A for 3 years & in a BCS conf.&nbsp; :snore:

The cellar stinks in any conference.

all right, i'll break it down for you, this is all i need to know about your program.

"I think our people would look very favorably upon a ninth team if it was the kind of school we wanted to be affiliated with and they brought some value. You don't just bring people in to solve a scheduling issue. That doesn't make sense. With the teams that are available, I don't think there's anybody out there who's going to bring us extra television value or bowl value."

:wave:

You do realize that ESPN and CBS aired practically our entire hoops season on
national TV. Right? And have you looked at our recruiting class this year? This will likely
be the best team we've had since Calipari arrived.

As for football, hell, we're one of the newest "non-bcs" media darlings. :laugh:


People know Memphis. Most folks don't even know what city USF is in. :laugh:

But I know we smoked you 35-15 and DeAngelo put up 263 yards against your
defense down there.

Like I said, you're better off keeping the comparisons to UCF.

You got the invite, no need to defend yourself to Memphis fans.

And if you think USF has more value than Memphis, you're definately in the minority.

Bambu Wrote:You do realize that ESPN and CBS aired practically our entire hoops season on
national TV. Right? And have you looked at our recruiting class this year? This will likely
be the best team we've had since Calipari arrived.

As for football, hell, we're one of the newest "non-bcs" media darlings.&nbsp; :laugh:


People know Memphis. Most folks don't even know what city USF is in. :laugh:

But I know we smoked you 35-15 and DeAngelo put up 263 yards against your
defense down there.

Like I said, you're better off keeping the comparisons to UCF.

You got the invite, no need to defend yourself to Memphis fans.

And if you think USF has more value than Memphis, you're definately in the minority.

as you would say.... just skimming through your defensive crap :snore:

USFMike Wrote:

Bambu Wrote:You do realize that ESPN and CBS aired practically our entire hoops season on
national TV. Right? And have you looked at our recruiting class this year? This will likely
be the best team we've had since Calipari arrived.

As for football, hell, we're one of the newest "non-bcs" media darlings.&nbsp; :laugh:


People know Memphis. Most folks don't even know what city USF is in. :laugh:

But I know we smoked you 35-15 and DeAngelo put up 263 yards against your
defense down there.

Like I said, you're better off keeping the comparisons to UCF.

You got the invite, no need to defend yourself to Memphis fans.

And if you think USF has more value than Memphis, you're definately in the minority.

as you would say.... just skimming through your defensive crap :snore:

:laugh:

Bambu, I lalmost just laughed myself to death, hold on a minute while I get up off the floor. memphis, media darling? Yeah, to silly Memphis fans.

TopCoog Wrote:Bambu, I lalmost just laughed myself to death, hold on a minute while I get up off the floor. memphis, media darling? Yeah, to silly Memphis fans.

memphis' sept 3 labor day opener against mississippi will be our 5th straight ESPN game. i think we were on national televison in basketball 17 times.

carry on.

memphis leaving cusa would pretty much be the death knell to that conference, who would replace them? la tech? i'm sure bb would do everything in his power to keep memphis where they are. personally, i wouldn't ming seeing memphis in the be, especially given the other options, we had some entertaining games during the seth greenberg era and the program has history and a loyal fanbase, who travel pretty well. we'll see how the next couple of years shape up.

tigerjeb Wrote:

TopCoog Wrote:Bambu, I lalmost just laughed myself to death, hold on a minute while I get up off the floor. memphis, media darling? Yeah, to silly Memphis fans.

memphis' sept 3 labor day opener against mississippi will be our 5th straight ESPN game. i think we were on national televison in basketball 17 times.

carry on.

Jeb, we can't lie to these guys, it will be our 5th in the last 6th games. The ECU one wasn't on TV. Still, not too shabby, but whose counting?

I love how this "Tier 4" whatever it is being brought up. If anyone thinks education has anything to do with athletics in the NCAA nowadays, you are kidding yourself.

USFMike Wrote:memphis leaving cusa would pretty much be the death knell to that conference, who would replace them? la tech? i'm sure bb would do everything in his power to keep memphis where they are. personally, i wouldn't ming seeing memphis in the be, especially given the other options, we had some entertaining games during the seth greenberg era and the program has history and a loyal fanbase, who travel pretty well. we'll see how the next couple of years shape up.

Seth always made the games interesting.

ecu92 Wrote:"List them."

Independence Bowl
Peach Bowl
Liberty Bowl (twice)
GMAC/Mobile Bowl (twice)&nbsp;
Alamo Bowl

We've been to other bowls, but those were before we joined Div. IA.

My goal was not to insult anyone's school, but I'm going to defend my school when someone describes us as "deadweight." If your school has been in the top 25 lately, sure I'll stand and take it, but not from programs that have only scraped a couple of 6-5 records together.

You haven't been in the Top 25 in ages and you only won like 1 or 2 games as recently as 2 years ago, so stop living in the past. And Cincinnati has been to as many bowls during their stay in C-USA. Stop acting like ECU is this huge power looking down at everyone else because nobody is buying into it. The Big East sure didn't buy into it. And, before you insult schools for "scraping together" a few 6-5 seasons, try doing that yourself. In fact, feel free to scrape together a 5 win season.

fsquid Wrote:

tigerjeb Wrote:

TopCoog Wrote:Bambu, I lalmost just laughed myself to death, hold on a minute while I get up off the floor. memphis, media darling? Yeah, to silly Memphis fans.

memphis' sept 3 labor day opener against mississippi will be our 5th straight ESPN game. i think we were on national televison in basketball 17 times.

carry on.

Jeb, we can't lie to these guys, it will be our 5th in the last 6th games. The ECU one wasn't on TV. Still, not too shabby, but whose counting?

I love how this "Tier 4" whatever it is being brought up. If anyone thinks education has anything to do with athletics in the NCAA nowadays, you are kidding yourself.

my mistake. thanks for the correction.

Bambu Wrote:

USFMike Wrote:

Bambu Wrote:Just skimming through your defensive crap,....

the only things that stick out to me are Div 1A for 3 years & in a BCS conf.  :snore:

The cellar stinks in any conference.

all right, i'll break it down for you, this is all i need to know about your program.

"I think our people would look very favorably upon a ninth team if it was the kind of school we wanted to be affiliated with and they brought some value. You don't just bring people in to solve a scheduling issue. That doesn't make sense. With the teams that are available, I don't think there's anybody out there who's going to bring us extra television value or bowl value."

:wave:

You do realize that ESPN and CBS aired practically our entire hoops season on
national TV. Right? And have you looked at our recruiting class this year? This will likely
be the best team we've had since Calipari arrived.

As for football, hell, we're one of the newest "non-bcs" media darlings. :laugh:


People know Memphis. Most folks don't even know what city USF is in. :laugh:

But I know we smoked you 35-15 and DeAngelo put up 263 yards against your
defense down there.

Like I said, you're better off keeping the comparisons to UCF.

You got the invite, no need to defend yourself to Memphis fans.

And if you think USF has more value than Memphis, you're definately in the minority.

I don't know if I would brag about beating South Florida since that just evened up the series 1-1. I really think that South Florida/Memphis could have been a pretty good little conference rivarly, maybe eventually could be a good conference rivarly.

actually the series is 2-2 I believe.