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LINDY'S PRESEASON TOP 25

1. USC
2. Texas
3. Michigan
4. Florida
5. Oklahoma
6. Tennessee
7. Ohio State
8. Florida St.
9. LSU
10. Va. Tech
11. Louisville
12. Miami
13. Purdue
14. Georgia
15. Iowa
16. Texas A&M
17. Auburn
18. Oregon
19. Pittsburgh
20. Boston Col.
21. Texas Tech
22. Alabama
23. Fresno St.
24. UCLA
25. Penn St.


Now if Mikey T would have gotten off his duff in 2002 he could have still had Miami, BC and VPI to go with Pitt and UofL. Those 5 with WVU, Syracuse and UConn would have made one hellva All Sports league.

<a href='http://www.tucsoncitizen.com/index.php?page=college&story_id=051205c1_giminotop25&page_number=1' target='_blank'>Lindy's Top 25</a>
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Couple things-

I think Penn St. has no business being there. I think Bama is a questionable choice as well.

UTEP should be in there. They return nearly their entire team from what was a good team last year.

No Boise State? The Broncos return nearly their ENTIRE offense and their defense is re-vamped this year. I think that's the biggest snub so far.

I also think Iowa is a much better team than a 15.
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The Knight Time Wrote:Couple things-

I think Penn St. has no business being there. I think Bama is a questionable choice as well.

UTEP should be in there. They return nearly their entire team from what was a good team last year.

No Boise State? The Broncos return nearly their ENTIRE offense and their defense is re-vamped this year. I think that's the biggest snub so far.

I also think Iowa is a much better team than a 15.
Do you know what, for the FIRST TIME EVER I agree with you.
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The Knight Time Wrote:Couple things-

I think Penn St. has no business being there. I think Bama is a questionable choice as well.

UTEP should be in there. They return nearly their entire team from what was a good team last year.

No Boise State? The Broncos return nearly their ENTIRE offense and their defense is re-vamped this year. I think that's the biggest snub so far.

I also think Iowa is a much better team than a 15.
UTEP? Who besides Fresno State did they beat last year? They lsot to a very mediocre Colorado team in the Bowl. I'm not an UTEP believer, yet.

<a href='http://www.cfbnews.com/wac/UTEP.htm' target='_blank'>UTEP 2004 Recap</a>
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Mark, The same could be said about Louisville. The only really good team they played beat them.
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TexanMark Wrote:
The Knight Time Wrote:Couple things-

I think Penn St. has no business being there.&nbsp; I think Bama is a questionable choice as well.

UTEP should be in there.&nbsp; They return nearly their entire team from what was a good team last year.

No Boise State?&nbsp; The Broncos return nearly their ENTIRE offense and their defense is re-vamped this year.&nbsp; I think that's the biggest snub so far.

I also think Iowa is a much better team than a 15.
UTEP? Who besides Fresno State did they beat last year? They lsot to a very mediocre Colorado team in the Bowl. I'm not an UTEP believer, yet.

<a href='http://www.cfbnews.com/wac/UTEP.htm' target='_blank'>UTEP 2004 Recap</a>
Well Texan, if this poll was for LAST year then your idea may have a point.

The fact is that UTEP is bringing back most of their team, they have a rising star at QB in Jason Palmer, and Mike Price seems to have a winning formula.

They damn near beat Boise State last year which in my opinion was a top 5 team. Beating Fresno State is impressive also.

Also, if you're judging this year's rankings from Bowl Games LAST YEAR then you coud make the case that Pitt has no business in the top 25 after being dismantled.

I undoubtedly think UTEP is a -PRESEASON- top 25 team. Whether or not that lasts in the season will be seen. Personally I think USM and Memphis will be the top 25 teams.
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TopCoog Wrote:Mark, The same could be said about Louisville. The only really good team they played beat them.
Um, Boise State and Memphis were pretty damn good.

Dismantling a good Houston team was pretty good as well.
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The Knight Time Wrote:
TexanMark Wrote:
The Knight Time Wrote:Couple things-

I think Penn St. has no business being there.  I think Bama is a questionable choice as well.

UTEP should be in there.  They return nearly their entire team from what was a good team last year.

No Boise State?  The Broncos return nearly their ENTIRE offense and their defense is re-vamped this year.  I think that's the biggest snub so far.

I also think Iowa is a much better team than a 15.
UTEP? Who besides Fresno State did they beat last year? They lsot to a very mediocre Colorado team in the Bowl. I'm not an UTEP believer, yet.

<a href='http://www.cfbnews.com/wac/UTEP.htm' target='_blank'>UTEP 2004 Recap</a>
Well Texan, if this poll was for LAST year then your idea may have a point.

The fact is that UTEP is bringing back most of their team, they have a rising star at QB in Jason Palmer, and Mike Price seems to have a winning formula.

They damn near beat Boise State last year which in my opinion was a top 5 team. Beating Fresno State is impressive also.

Also, if you're judging this year's rankings from Bowl Games LAST YEAR then you coud make the case that Pitt has no business in the top 25 after being dismantled.

I undoubtedly think UTEP is a -PRESEASON- top 25 team. Whether or not that lasts in the season will be seen. Personally I think USM and Memphis will be the top 25 teams.
They were blownout by ASU, lost to a 4-8 Tulsa team, and played a ridiculously easy schedule.

They may make the Top 25 this year but I'm not a believer until they defeat a solid team (Memphis, USM) and win a bowl game vs a decent foe. UTEP literally has no Top 25 teams on their 2005 schedule.
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TopCoog Wrote:Mark, The same could be said about Louisville. The only really good team they played beat them.
Good stuff. :laugh:

We laid a 70 point bomb on a victorious bowl team. Ran the conference gauntlet unscathed, fell at Miami FL in the closing seconds and defeated a top ten team in the Liberty Bowl and suddenly we're comparable to UTEP. Last I checked UTEP had one marginal season in recent history. You're so predictable TC.
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The Knight Time Wrote:
TexanMark Wrote:
The Knight Time Wrote:Couple things-

I think Penn St. has no business being there.&nbsp; I think Bama is a questionable choice as well.

UTEP should be in there.&nbsp; They return nearly their entire team from what was a good team last year.

No Boise State?&nbsp; The Broncos return nearly their ENTIRE offense and their defense is re-vamped this year.&nbsp; I think that's the biggest snub so far.

I also think Iowa is a much better team than a 15.
UTEP? Who besides Fresno State did they beat last year? They lsot to a very mediocre Colorado team in the Bowl. I'm not an UTEP believer, yet.

<a href='http://www.cfbnews.com/wac/UTEP.htm' target='_blank'>UTEP 2004 Recap</a>
Well Texan, if this poll was for LAST year then your idea may have a point.

The fact is that UTEP is bringing back most of their team, they have a rising star at QB in Jason Palmer, and Mike Price seems to have a winning formula.

They damn near beat Boise State last year which in my opinion was a top 5 team. Beating Fresno State is impressive also.

Also, if you're judging this year's rankings from Bowl Games LAST YEAR then you coud make the case that Pitt has no business in the top 25 after being dismantled.

I undoubtedly think UTEP is a -PRESEASON- top 25 team. Whether or not that lasts in the season will be seen. Personally I think USM and Memphis will be the top 25 teams.
You bring up some valid points Knight, but Pitt actually played and beat some better teams than Utep did.
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L Yes....Boise was way over rated, they were not close to being a top 10 team, hell, they gave up 70 to san Jose State. Putting 70 on a team that played in the BFE bowl doesn't count. You guys gave up bucket loads of points last year. lets be realistic for a change.
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TopCoog Wrote:L Yes....Boise was way over rated, they were not close to being a top 10 team, hell, they gave up 70 to san Jose State. Putting 70 on a team that played in the BFE bowl doesn't count. You guys gave up bucket loads of points last year. lets be realistic for a change.
It doesn't matter what you think, feel or whatever. Every poll at the end of 2004 has Louisville in the Top 10. We are in a much better situation today then we were even 5 months ago.

You are stuck in Conference Dead On Arrival, you are stuck in the 4th worse Non BCS league in this country right behind the MWC, MAC and WAC. C-DOA is only better then the Sunbelt and right now that is even debatable.

Just be glad that you still have Memphis because if it wasn't for the Tigers your best bowl would be the GMAC.
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Maize Wrote:
TopCoog Wrote:L Yes....Boise was way over rated, they were not close to being a top 10 team, hell, they gave up 70 to san Jose State. Putting 70 on a team that played in the BFE bowl doesn't count. You guys gave up bucket loads of points last year. lets be realistic for a change.
It doesn't matter what you think, feel or whatever. Every poll at the end of 2004 has Louisville in the Top 10. We are in a much better situation today then we were even 5 months ago.

You are stuck in Conference Dead On Arrival, you are stuck in the 4th worse Non BCS league in this country right behind the MWC, MAC and WAC. C-DOA is only better then the Sunbelt and right now that is even debatable.

Just be glad that you still have Memphis because if it wasn't for the Tigers your best bowl would be the GMAC.
I was agreeing with you until this moronic rant :rolleyes:
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If you want to know why the raid happened, look no further than this poll. Are there any original ACC teams outside of FSU ranked?

The ACC knew they were falling behind the Big East and if they didn't do something it would be them falling apart. Swafford had the sack to get it done, Mike T didn't.
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TopCoog Wrote:L Yes....Boise was way over rated, they were not close to being a top 10 team, hell, they gave up 70 to san Jose State. Putting 70 on a team that played in the BFE bowl doesn't count. You guys gave up bucket loads of points last year. lets be realistic for a change.
Yeah, lets be realistic. Louisville finished in the Top 10. They beat Boise State, who was ranked in the Top 10. They ran roughshod over, arguably, the 6th or 7th best conference in America and fell in the closing seconds to a national power, Miami. And, last I checked, just because YOU don't think it count doesn't mean it doesn't count. Because, quite frankly, nobody cares what you think when they're talking about the national polls.
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TopCoog Wrote:L Yes....Boise was way over rated, they were not close to being a top 10 team, hell, they gave up 70 to san Jose State. Putting 70 on a team that played in the BFE bowl doesn't count. You guys gave up bucket loads of points last year. lets be realistic for a change.
You see Yune, I mean TopCoog, thats your problem when it comes to Louisville football, Louisville basketball, any sport with Louisville in front of it, YOU can't be realistic. You shuffle over to the Big East board and try to sell the idiotic notion that EVERY sportswriter and EVERY football coach in the Nation was WRONG about Louisville football last fall. Let me pause here for the laughter to subside :laugh: :laugh: Care to retract your statement, didn't think so... Stop the phucking presses somewhere in the sh*thole of Texas is the only phucking person in the country that knows a damn thing about college football :laugh: :laugh: Move over Beano Cook, here comes TopCoog....
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TopCoog Wrote:You guys gave up bucket loads of points last year. lets be realistic for a change.
Even after the Liberty Bowl and all the bowl games were calculated, UofL still was #24 in the nation in scoring defense, and #15 in total defense.

TopPoop, your hate for UofL clouds your mind of the facts.

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