(11-10-2011 09:24 AM)Huskie_Jon Wrote:  

(11-09-2011 11:08 PM)niuguy Wrote:  

(11-09-2011 04:10 PM)Huskie_Jon Wrote:  

(11-09-2011 10:12 AM)onlinepole Wrote:  By a 57-43 margin, even conservative Mississippi doesn't want republicon religious facism shoved down their throats.

It never ceases to amaze and absolutely disgust me how leftists will actually celebrate the deaths of millions of innocent babies, and then claim that Conservatives are Nazis.

You are sick!

Stupid liberals call conservatives nazis just like stupid conservatives call liberals names. I know you wouldnt do that because you are not stupid. Right? you wouldnt do that...

And I gives a **** if millions of fertilized eggs/embryos are offed. To me, they are nothing.

So small people are not people?

Short people got no reason to live. -Randy Newman

What good is a new born baby? -Michael Faraday

Fertilized eggs aren't people.

(11-09-2011 04:10 PM)Huskie_Jon Wrote:  

(11-09-2011 10:12 AM)onlinepole Wrote:  By a 57-43 margin, even conservative Mississippi doesn't want republicon religious facism shoved down their throats.

It never ceases to amaze and absolutely disgust me how leftists will actually celebrate the deaths of millions of innocent babies, and then claim that Conservatives are Nazis.

You are sick!

Thank you , I welcome your hatred

(11-10-2011 10:31 AM)klake87 Wrote:  

(11-10-2011 10:20 AM)BleedsHuskieRed Wrote:  Would you rather be supporting these things on welfare? /offensive comments

Not me, the person who kills a fetus has to live with the guilt. I won't lose sleep. All this because people don't use protection.

No method besides abstinence is 100% effective

(11-10-2011 10:31 AM)klake87 Wrote:  

(11-10-2011 10:20 AM)BleedsHuskieRed Wrote:  Would you rather be supporting these things on welfare? /offensive comments

Not me, the person who kills a fetus has to live with the guilt. I won't lose sleep. All this because people don't use protection.

So your assumption is that every aborted baby was destined to be a welfare baby. Leftists have the most miserable outlook on life. I don't envy you at all, even with all your free handouts and political privilages. You are pittiful

While I understand that it is a dream of you leftists to make everyone born into government dependancy, so that noone would dare criticise the all powerful state, we are not quite there yet. Furthermore, even if it was the case that only future welfare recipients were the only ones being aborted, I would be just as much against abortion, as is is still destroying a life. I care about all human life, unlike your self-proclaimed "compassionate" self who has determined that some lives are more equal than others

You are basically using the same arguement that Josef Mengele used when he stated that children born with disabilites should be killed immediately, as they are just going to be a burden to the State. And you call Conservatives Nazis?

(11-11-2011 01:59 AM)onlinepole Wrote:  

(11-09-2011 04:10 PM)Huskie_Jon Wrote:  

(11-09-2011 10:12 AM)onlinepole Wrote:  By a 57-43 margin, even conservative Mississippi doesn't want republicon religious facism shoved down their throats.

It never ceases to amaze and absolutely disgust me how leftists will actually celebrate the deaths of millions of innocent babies, and then claim that Conservatives are Nazis.

You are sick!

Celebrating American's ability to exercise their freedom and liberty. Life does not begin at fertilization, if it did than every couple and doctor who didn't keep IVF embryos alive would be guilty of murder.

When people like you adopt every child who's spending tonight in an orphanage than maybe you've earned some cred, otherwise

That statement is as stupid as it is heartless. No wonder so many "Progressives" repeat it. Leave it to a Progressive moron to find a reason for someone else to take responsibility, while completely washing his own hands. Maybe I should argue that since Progressives love higher taxes so much, they should be the only ones paying them. That also explains why the "Occupiers" are making a giant mess, unlike the TEA partiers who would actually clean up after themselves.

I do not recall seeing the US government executing and burying "unwanted children" in mass graves, But have seen children getting raised in foster homes, and getting funding from the government, and you already mentioned welfare, so yes, people like us are already raising what you crassly refer to as "unwanted children".

Like you, I would also like to cut down on the number of welfare recipients in this country, but unlike you, I do not believe that killing them before they are born is the proper way to do it. Being born in American, even if you are born poor, is still a much better fate than dying in the womb.

lol. The word "nuance" is not in HJ's vocabulary :)

HJ, the key phrase you conveniently overlook (among many) is before they were born. An entity that hasn't been born is therefore Not Alive. Unless of course your either a "moral majority" wholier than thou type or an extremely conservative catholic.

I've not mentioned welfare in my posts; but since you've brought it up yes it would save billions in tax $ not to mention countless years in therapy for unwanted children.

You right to lifers whine but you come up with few if any solutions to the overpopulation issue. Nobody is mandating that you end a pregnancy, have as many children as you want as long as you can support them. But don't try to shove your bible down mine or anyonelse's throat.

(11-12-2011 08:10 PM)onlinepole Wrote:  HJ, the key phrase you conveniently overlook (among many) is before they were born. An entity that hasn't been born is therefore Not Alive. Unless of course your either a "moral majority" wholier than thou type or an extremely conservative catholic.

The "entity" as you call it, or more specifically, the child in the womb has it's own beating heart, separate from the mother. I do not see how you could possibly claim that is is not alive, unless your desparate search for a rationalization leads you to ignore facts. As a matter of fact, even in today's flawed legal system, someone who kills a pregnant woman could get charged with two counts of murder.

Quote:I've not mentioned welfare in my posts; but since you've brought it up yes it would save billions in tax $ not to mention countless years in therapy for unwanted children.

You right to lifers whine but you come up with few if any solutions to the overpopulation issue. Nobody is mandating that you end a pregnancy, have as many children as you want as long as you can support them. But don't try to shove your bible down mine or anyonelse's throat.

"Overpopulation" is not an issue in free countries, where people are free to take care of themselves. The more people there are, the more people there are who take care of themselves. It is only an issue in countries where the government has "assumed" the responsibility for sustaining the population, and essentially outlawed freedom.

Not only do you "Progressives" want complete control of all wealth, so they can decide upon then distribution, they also want to distribute the population too. As a matter of fact, one of the founders of the whole "pro-choice" movement, Margaret Sanger, explicitly said that abortion could control the populations of certain minorities.

And yet, you label Conservatives as greedy, racist Nazis? Amazing!

(11-14-2011 12:35 PM)Huskie_Jon Wrote:  Not only do you "Progressives" want complete control of all wealth, so they can decide upon then distribution, they also want to distribute the population too. As a matter of fact, one of the founders of the whole "pro-choice" movement, Margaret Sanger, explicitly said that abortion could control the populations of certain minorities.

So wait.

You are suggesting that...

1) Progressives want complete control of all wealth...basically being progressive makes you a Marxist?

2) We are pro-choice not because we really want to reduce the population of black people?

How can one possible have a rational discussion with you?

(11-14-2011 12:35 PM)Huskie_Jon Wrote:  "Overpopulation" is not an issue in free countries

You must have never driven the Kenedy

(11-14-2011 01:30 PM)NiuCoils Wrote:  

(11-14-2011 12:35 PM)Huskie_Jon Wrote:  "Overpopulation" is not an issue in free countries

You must have never driven the Kenedy

The biggest population growth group in the U.S. is hispanic. Some are here illegally and since not paying for schooling and other public services, doesn't care if they can afford to have kids. They know our government will support them so why not have kids you can not afford.

(11-14-2011 01:36 PM)klake87 Wrote:  

(11-14-2011 01:30 PM)NiuCoils Wrote:  

(11-14-2011 12:35 PM)Huskie_Jon Wrote:  "Overpopulation" is not an issue in free countries

You must have never driven the Kenedy

The biggest population growth group in the U.S. is hispanic. Some are here illegally and since not paying for schooling and other public services, doesn't care if they can afford to have kids. They know our government will support them so why not have kids you can not afford.

Simple solution to this. Make it easier to become a legal immigrant. Fixes all kinds of problems. Increases size of economy, tax base, social security/medicare imbalance (old people - young people ratio). America doesnt need to be worried about overpopulation for a long time.

(11-14-2011 01:42 PM)niuguy Wrote:  

(11-14-2011 01:36 PM)klake87 Wrote:  

(11-14-2011 01:30 PM)NiuCoils Wrote:  

(11-14-2011 12:35 PM)Huskie_Jon Wrote:  "Overpopulation" is not an issue in free countries

You must have never driven the Kenedy

The biggest population growth group in the U.S. is hispanic. Some are here illegally and since not paying for schooling and other public services, doesn't care if they can afford to have kids. They know our government will support them so why not have kids you can not afford.

Simple solution to this. Make it easier to become a legal immigrant. Fixes all kinds of problems. Increases size of economy, tax base, social security/medicare imbalance (old people - young people ratio). America doesnt need to be worried about overpopulation for a long time.

But they have broken our laws to get here. I agree we need a comprehensive reform(never going to happen). Putting these people ahead of others who have tried legally to get here is wrong. They need to go back and apply for the visas the right way.

(11-14-2011 01:46 PM)klake87 Wrote:  

(11-14-2011 01:42 PM)niuguy Wrote:  

(11-14-2011 01:36 PM)klake87 Wrote:  

(11-14-2011 01:30 PM)NiuCoils Wrote:  

(11-14-2011 12:35 PM)Huskie_Jon Wrote:  "Overpopulation" is not an issue in free countries

You must have never driven the Kenedy

The biggest population growth group in the U.S. is hispanic. Some are here illegally and since not paying for schooling and other public services, doesn't care if they can afford to have kids. They know our government will support them so why not have kids you can not afford.

Simple solution to this. Make it easier to become a legal immigrant. Fixes all kinds of problems. Increases size of economy, tax base, social security/medicare imbalance (old people - young people ratio). America doesnt need to be worried about overpopulation for a long time.

But they have broken our laws to get here. I agree we need a comprehensive reform(never going to happen). Putting these people ahead of others who have tried legally to get here is wrong. They need to go back and apply for the visas the right way.

The heck you talking about? If you make it easier to become citizens no one will have to come here illegally.

(11-15-2011 12:57 AM)niuguy Wrote:  

(11-14-2011 01:46 PM)klake87 Wrote:  

(11-14-2011 01:42 PM)niuguy Wrote:  

(11-14-2011 01:36 PM)klake87 Wrote:  

(11-14-2011 01:30 PM)NiuCoils Wrote:  You must have never driven the Kenedy

The biggest population growth group in the U.S. is hispanic. Some are here illegally and since not paying for schooling and other public services, doesn't care if they can afford to have kids. They know our government will support them so why not have kids you can not afford.

Simple solution to this. Make it easier to become a legal immigrant. Fixes all kinds of problems. Increases size of economy, tax base, social security/medicare imbalance (old people - young people ratio). America doesnt need to be worried about overpopulation for a long time.

But they have broken our laws to get here. I agree we need a comprehensive reform(never going to happen). Putting these people ahead of others who have tried legally to get here is wrong. They need to go back and apply for the visas the right way.

The heck you talking about? If you make it easier to become citizens no one will have to come here illegally.

The U.S. is not capable of handling every refugee that wants to enter our country. We are already struggling with 15 million plus illegals as it is. They don't care about our laws. If are laws are bad, they should be changed. These are law breaking people.

Most people who want to move to the United States are regular people from around the world. Not sure why they have to be criminals. Lots of great people want to come here and cant. Heck, lots of them are students who have to leave after they are educated by our schools.

Lets not forget our great great grandparents who came here. Most of them were poor as dirt. Most of them didn't get rich but a few generations later and we are doing great :)

(11-15-2011 01:06 PM)niuguy Wrote:  Most people who want to move to the United States are regular people from around the world. Not sure why they have to be criminals. Lots of great people want to come here and cant. Heck, lots of them are students who have to leave after they are educated by our schools.

Lets not forget our great great grandparents who came here. Most of them were poor as dirt. Most of them didn't get rich but a few generations later and we are doing great :)

They are breaking the law and entering illegally. Why should the illegals get a break when law abiding people from all over the world are going thru the LEGAL channels. I am not against immigration but we have ZERO control over who is coming in our country.

/face palm

Relaxed immigration laws = people coming here legally.

What the hell are you talking about?!

(11-15-2011 01:12 PM)niuguy Wrote:  /face palm

Relaxed immigration laws = people coming here legally.

What the hell are you talking about?!

They stream across our southern boarder. The U.S. can't handle every person in the whole entire world. We are being pulled down by the pressure of illegals that we can not control.

(11-15-2011 01:28 PM)klake87 Wrote:  

(11-15-2011 01:12 PM)niuguy Wrote:  /face palm

Relaxed immigration laws = people coming here legally.

What the hell are you talking about?!

They stream across our southern boarder. The U.S. can't handle every person in the whole entire world. We are being pulled down by the pressure of illegals that we can not control.

Thats why I said to make it easier to come here legally.

(11-16-2011 03:59 PM)niuguy Wrote:  

(11-15-2011 01:28 PM)klake87 Wrote:  

(11-15-2011 01:12 PM)niuguy Wrote:  /face palm

Relaxed immigration laws = people coming here legally.

What the hell are you talking about?!

They stream across our southern boarder. The U.S. can't handle every person in the whole entire world. We are being pulled down by the pressure of illegals that we can not control.

Thats why I said to make it easier to come here legally.

Why? We can't manage the ones here now. We can't absorb anymore. Look at U46 and the CPS. They are failing miserably because they don't have enough resources to handle the influx of students that require non english speaking help. Look at emergency rooms. etc.