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Might be the same folks responsible for claiming to have hit their 90K ticket sales....can you say Slim Shady!

Yes taking a donation is one thing. Naming the court after the guy is a totally different situation. If the guy cares more about KSU instead of seeing his name on the court he will donate the money anyway. We will have to wait and see about that one.

This will get posted on here at some point, so why act like I didn't read it. There are some things in this article that are misrepresented and probably intentionally. I could give some details, but it doesn't matter really. At least, as an end result, we didn't take this guy's money. With the embarrassment this has caused, I hope he isn't even showing up to our games anymore.

http://kentwired.com/the-courting-of-jas...ithdrawal/

Hahaha! This writer has had his 15 minutes. But he still goes back to the well. The best part is the team is going to win the MAC Tournament and he will be forgotten in an instant.

Of course that will open the floodgates for a story about how KSU used a charter bus company that had mob ties in Vegas 40 years ago to travel to and from the Q.

And the liberal fools who will read it will swallow the hook line and sinker.

"liberal fools"? WTF?

(02-13-2012 03:26 AM)JimJoyce Wrote:  Hahaha! This writer has had his 15 minutes. But he still goes back to the well. The best part is the team is going to win the MAC Tournament and he will be forgotten in an instant.

Of course that will open the floodgates for a story about how KSU used a charter bus company that had mob ties in Vegas 40 years ago to travel to and from the Q.

And the liberal fools who will read it will swallow the hook line and sinker.

You don't have to be a liberal to swallow it hook, line, and sinker. You just have to know nothing about the situation. Which is why it is a travesty they continue to allow him to print this garbage.

I should clarify. The only people actually praising him are the liberal professors and academia people who hate sports. They themselves are miserable people therefore anytime someone else's lives are made miserable they love it.

"...liberal professors and academia people who hate sports." (!) Any other stereotypes you want to lay on us while you are at it, like "secular humanists" or "Eastern elites"?

(02-13-2012 10:37 AM)Kent 76 Wrote:  "...liberal professors and academia people who hate sports." (!) Any other stereotypes you want to lay on us while you are at it, like "secular humanists" or "Eastern elites"?

Hey - I am not dishing out stereotypes. I just know the article is one sided, full of holes, and spun the way the author wants people to interpret it (which is done all of the time). Besides, Kent 76, clearly you don't fit into this stereotype because you don't hate sports!

dannyb73, it wasn't you using those stereotypes, it was JimJoyce. I just have a thing against political type stuff sneaking into a sports forum. I can find plenty of that stuff elsewhere. I like my sports apolitical. LOL

Unfortunately this isn't a sports topic. You and Danny are both great Kent State fans but you need to understand the vitriol certain departments and individuals have for the Athletic Department. Trust me, I changed my major from journalism to English because they wanted me to do stories just like the ones Brown has been doing and I refused. It is the hip thing to do now to try and bring NCAA DI Athletic programs' to their knees (Ohio State, USC, Penn State, etc.) and every upstart student reporter is trying to make a name for his or herself.

Look, there's a reason the Plain Dealer, ABJ or RC haven't blown this thing out of proportion the way Brown and the Stater have: it's not as sexy a story as the Stater thinks. They spent a month collecting email and documents and have told us nothing new. It's just like the sequel to a bad movie. The sequel doesn't save the original. They both stunk.

My concern is does all this have any affect on the other donations that might be coming our way??

(02-13-2012 12:43 PM)AlphaFlash Wrote:  My concern is does all this have any affect on the other donations that might be coming our way??

I don't think so. If you are a fan and have extra cash that you want to donate why would this change your opinion? You are likely going to give it to a cause you are passionate about and in the case of the people we are talking about, that is Kent State athletics.

My concern is getting some of these donations to enhance our locker room and getting Doug Martin's hand me down sofa out to the dumpster!

(02-13-2012 03:26 AM)JimJoyce Wrote:  Hahaha! This writer has had his 15 minutes. But he still goes back to the well. The best part is the team is going to win the MAC Tournament and he will be forgotten in an instant.

Of course that will open the floodgates for a story about how KSU used a charter bus company that had mob ties in Vegas 40 years ago to travel to and from the Q.

And the liberal fools who will read it will swallow the hook line and sinker.

I’m liberal, don’t think I’m a fool (but many disagree) and think this story is ridiculous. I’d agree with JJ, except to say I don’t think he should have gotten his original 15 minutes.

What’s the scandal? That KSU seeks donations? Seeks donations to athletics? Every dollar we can raise to support athletics 1) doesn’t come out of the University or student general fund and 2) makes KSU better.

The best thing to do with Mr. Brown is to ignore him.

I see what you are saying, JJ. I'm sure there are plenty of anti-athletic people around campus, and I can see a student journalist trying to make his bones. And, I can also see anti-D I sentiment, although that should be aimed at the BIG money programs, not money-poor MAC schools. I'm just not sure how strong of a correlation there is between such sentiment and "liberals" (whatever a liberal is, now). Actually, though, I would bet there probably is some correlation, with a certain type of "liberal".

(02-13-2012 09:23 AM)dannyb73 Wrote:  You don't have to be a liberal to swallow it hook, line, and sinker. You just have to know nothing about the situation. Which is why it is a travesty they continue to allow him to print this garbage.

If there were facts to the contrary, university officials had plenty of opportunities to set the record straight. They chose not to.

For the record, I'm a professor and a liberal and I love our basketball team, but this would have been a massive embarrassment if it went forward. Congrats to the Stater for exposing it.

(02-13-2012 03:19 PM)FlashFan Wrote:  What’s the scandal? That KSU seeks donations? Seeks donations to athletics? Every dollar we can raise to support athletics 1) doesn’t come out of the University or student general fund and 2) makes KSU better.

The best thing to do with Mr. Brown is to ignore him.

Right, what is the scandal? If everything was above board, then why did Cope withdraw his donation, even after originally saying he would stick with it after the Stater started their investigation? Dude gets all sad because the Stater discovered something that national newspapers had already reported on?

If there's anything left unreported, it's only likely that it would've made KSU look worse.

(02-13-2012 06:04 PM)kyflash Wrote:  

(02-13-2012 03:19 PM)FlashFan Wrote:  What’s the scandal? That KSU seeks donations? Seeks donations to athletics? Every dollar we can raise to support athletics 1) doesn’t come out of the University or student general fund and 2) makes KSU better.

The best thing to do with Mr. Brown is to ignore him.

Right, what is the scandal? If everything was above board, then why did Cope withdraw his donation, even after originally saying he would stick with it after the Stater started their investigation? Dude gets all sad because the Stater discovered something that national newspapers had already reported on?

If there's anything left unreported, it's only likely that it would've made KSU look worse.

You can assume all you want. You don't have a clue what you are talking about. I base that on what I do know.

(02-13-2012 06:15 PM)dannyb73 Wrote:  You can assume all you want. You don't have a clue what you are talking about. I base that on what I do know.

I'm not at all interested in your claims of secret, behind-the-scenes scoop on the issue. If the Stater got something wrong or if there is more to the story, then KSU university officials have had plenty of opportunities to explain more about what happened. They chose not to. They're letting the Stater stories stand as the official word at the moment.

Let's recap:
- The athletic department is not clear with the board of trustees about Cope's past.
- Once the athletic department gets word that the Stater is investigating, they discuss it with Cope, who claims he's going ahead with the donation.
- Somewhere along the way, he decides to withdraw the donation.

If everything was on the up and up, KSU and Cope could have stood by the original plan and tried to "make it a non-event" as they discussed. For some reason that neither side has explained, they chose not to do that. Again, nothing is stopping Nielsen, Lefton, Gies, etc. from defending their actions. Instead, they're trying to stonewall and intimidate the student newspaper.

BTW, Danny, I'm not criticizing you or claiming that you don't have some inside scoop. You clearly have sources. This isn't a shot at you. It's a shot at the well-paid university officials who are handling this like crap. That's why I'm not interested in hearsay. If there is another side to the story from KSU's side, then they should run with it.

(02-13-2012 06:29 PM)kyflash Wrote:  

(02-13-2012 06:15 PM)dannyb73 Wrote:  You can assume all you want. You don't have a clue what you are talking about. I base that on what I do know.

I'm not at all interested in your claims of secret, behind-the-scenes scoop on the issue. If the Stater got something wrong or if there is more to the story, then KSU university officials have had plenty of opportunities to explain more about what happened. They chose not to. They're letting the Stater stories stand as the official word at the moment.

Let's recap:
- The athletic department is not clear with the board of trustees about Cope's past.
- Once the athletic department gets word that the Stater is investigating, they discuss it with Cope, who claims he's going ahead with the donation.
- Somewhere along the way, he decides to withdraw the donation.

If everything was on the up and up, KSU and Cope could have stood by the original plan and tried to "make it a non-event" as they discussed. For some reason that neither side has explained, they chose not to do that. Again, nothing is stopping Nielsen, Lefton, Gies, etc. from defending their actions. Instead, they're trying to stonewall and intimidate the student newspaper.

BTW, Danny, I'm not criticizing you or claiming that you don't have some inside scoop. You clearly have sources. This isn't a shot at you. It's a shot at the well-paid university officials who are handling this like crap. That's why I'm not interested in hearsay. If there is another side to the story from KSU's side, then they should run with it.

The whole point is, they don't need to refute anything. It's the DKS. There is a reason why nobody else ran this story - because it's a non-story. The only thing KSU should have done differently, is that they should have been proactive going into the entire thing. They should have known that someone would dig up Cope's past transgressions and they should have issued a joint statement at the same time the donation was announced.