i called the season over after the uconn game, so i'm a little ahead of the curve i'm already past anger,bargaining, etc. i'm in full on acceptance mode, the only hope i have is that we somehow keep our recruiting class intact (BIG if after tonight) and close on devario montgomery than we have a chance to make a splash next year. as bad as it seems we're only a few playmakers from being a decent offense and just about our entire team comes back next year plus we get dunkley and sterling griffin back from injury.

holtz and fitch are not going anywhere so that's a moot point, but we're clearly lacking toughness, leavitt's MO was tough and stupid teams, with holtz we've kept the stupid part and now we're just dough boy soft. holtz giving our POS kicker an attaboy after he missed that chip shot made me vomit inside, his dad lou would've ripped him a new one or sat his @ss down, i'd hate to see what leavitt would've done.

(11-05-2011 11:54 PM)USFMike Wrote:  ... leavitt's MO was tough and stupid teams, with holtz we've kept the stupid part and now we're just dough boy soft. holtz giving our POS kicker an attaboy after he missed that chip shot made me vomit inside, his dad lou would've ripped him a new one or sat his @ss down

aptly put.

I don't know, I think USF seemed like tough kids when they played us.
They really really wanted to win. In the end, we just closed the deal and they left banged up. Winners as far as coaches are concerned, know how to get the psychological aspect down, but also know how to close games.
That's where I begin to doubt Holtz. His decisions seem a little, bad to me. I'm just a spectator though.

sanu is a beast.....that is all

(11-05-2011 11:25 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(11-05-2011 11:23 PM)BullsBEAST Wrote:  

(11-05-2011 10:33 PM)KnightTower Wrote:  Hey, don't call Skip Holtz a loser so loudly, ECU fans might hear you and that guy can do no wrong in their eyes.

Then they can have him back. I'll pay for his flight to greenville.

Yeah, it's not just the losing either. The team just looks worse under Skip then when he got here. There's a clear regression, and he seemingly has no clue as to how to reverse it.

There's a decent chance we'll go 0-7 in the Big East this year. Bowl eligibility is in grave jeopardy.

Skip says this one was a "little bit" tough to swallow but he thought the guys fought really hard. This guy is so in over his head its unbelievable. I would have ripped this team anew one.

(11-06-2011 09:04 AM)Brahman Wrote:  

(11-05-2011 11:25 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(11-05-2011 11:23 PM)BullsBEAST Wrote:  

(11-05-2011 10:33 PM)KnightTower Wrote:  Hey, don't call Skip Holtz a loser so loudly, ECU fans might hear you and that guy can do no wrong in their eyes.

Then they can have him back. I'll pay for his flight to greenville.

Yeah, it's not just the losing either. The team just looks worse under Skip then when he got here. There's a clear regression, and he seemingly has no clue as to how to reverse it.

There's a decent chance we'll go 0-7 in the Big East this year. Bowl eligibility is in grave jeopardy.

Skip says this one was a "little bit" tough to swallow but he thought the guys fought really hard. This guy is so in over his head its unbelievable. I would have ripped this team anew one.

... and doesn't it shock you? I mean, he's the son of one the greatest college coaches of the past 50 years, and he looked very impressive at ECU ... it doesn't compute.

(11-06-2011 09:07 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(11-06-2011 09:04 AM)Brahman Wrote:  

(11-05-2011 11:25 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(11-05-2011 11:23 PM)BullsBEAST Wrote:  

(11-05-2011 10:33 PM)KnightTower Wrote:  Hey, don't call Skip Holtz a loser so loudly, ECU fans might hear you and that guy can do no wrong in their eyes.

Then they can have him back. I'll pay for his flight to greenville.

Yeah, it's not just the losing either. The team just looks worse under Skip then when he got here. There's a clear regression, and he seemingly has no clue as to how to reverse it.

There's a decent chance we'll go 0-7 in the Big East this year. Bowl eligibility is in grave jeopardy.

Skip says this one was a "little bit" tough to swallow but he thought the guys fought really hard. This guy is so in over his head its unbelievable. I would have ripped this team anew one.

... and doesn't it shock you? I mean, he's the son of one the greatest college coaches of the past 50 years, and he looked very impressive at ECU ... it doesn't compute.

This is the prime reasons good coaches leave when a better offer comes. When you win the fans praise you and want you to be loyal and stay,when you lose you are crap can't coach and need to go.
I'll be the first to say that skip has not been great this year,but there is enough proof in his past to show he will right the ship. Look at jones and Cincinnati last year.
All of our fans were praising skip when we beat ND and where 4-0 and some were even starting to worry that he would leave us for ND, well know some of those same folks can wait for him to leave.
USF has been in all three of its last loses and could easily be 7-1 and all of our fans praising king skip

(11-06-2011 09:14 AM)Cubanbull Wrote:  All of our fans were praising skip when we beat ND and where 4-0 and some were even starting to worry that he would leave us for ND, well know some of those same folks can wait for him to leave.
USF has been in all three of its last loses and could easily be 7-1 and all of our fans praising king skip

FWIW, while i was extremely happy that we beat Notre Dame, i also cautioned that we got a lot of good fortune in that game and couldn't expect to win consistently by relying on a boatload of mistakes from the other team.

And of course we'd all be praising King Skip if he was 7-1 right now, because that would mean he won 3 more games, evidence that he is a good coach.

I'm by no means giving up on him, I'm just saying that with each passing week's failure, my doubts are growing. Aren't yours?

(11-06-2011 09:37 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(11-06-2011 09:14 AM)Cubanbull Wrote:  All of our fans were praising skip when we beat ND and where 4-0 and some were even starting to worry that he would leave us for ND, well know some of those same folks can wait for him to leave.
USF has been in all three of its last loses and could easily be 7-1 and all of our fans praising king skip

FWIW, while i was extremely happy that we beat Notre Dame, i also cautioned that we got a lot of good fortune in that game and couldn't expect to win consistently by relying on a boatload of mistakes from the other team.

And of course we'd all be praising King Skip if he was 7-1 right now, because that would mean he won 3 more games, evidence that he is a good coach.

I'm by no means giving up on him, I'm just saying that with each passing week's failure, my doubts are growing. Aren't yours?

More disappointed in team. We lost a lot up front but thought we had the talent to step in. Obviously that was not true our young guys are still developing. Without a strong front four it makes our DBS more vulnerable. I will wait and see what happens rest of season and next year.

Personally, no flame here, I think part of the blame goes to USF's OOC scheduling. You guys have had the same type of schedule the past severval years (2 BCS teams, 1 (maybe 2) I-AA team, 2 WAYYY lower level non-AQ teams, like WKU low level.

It has the same result every year. 1 big test to start the season, and then glide through the next 3 games. And its hard to see just how "good" a team is when you're doing that. Its hard to put together long-term gameplans because no one is getting much of a challenge.

And the result is always the same: rack up a 4-0, 5-0 start and then get hammered in conference play.

(11-06-2011 09:46 AM)KnightTower Wrote:  Personally, no flame here, I think part of the blame goes to USF's OOC scheduling. You guys have had the same type of schedule the past severval years (2 BCS teams, 1 (maybe 2) I-AA team, 2 WAYYY lower level non-AQ teams, like WKU low level.

It has the same result every year. 1 big test to start the season, and then glide through the next 3 games. And its hard to see just how "good" a team is when you're doing that. Its hard to put together long-term gameplans because no one is getting much of a challenge.

And the result is always the same: rack up a 4-0, 5-0 start and then get hammered in conference play.

Actually most schools do that,so I don't think that's really true. Except for the Pitt game we have not been hammered and could have won those games. I do think that we are not as deep and talented as we need to be to win consistently in conference games when we are all very close in talent

(11-06-2011 02:58 AM)UltimateCFBfan Wrote:  sanu is a beast.....that is all

That's very true the kid is just insanely good and no one has been able to really effectively shut him down. He's the lone bright spot on another lackluster season.

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(11-05-2011 10:30 PM)SF Husky Wrote:  

(11-05-2011 10:27 PM)CollegeCard Wrote:  Who saw an 0-4 start in league play after USF was 4-0?

People were picking USF, Pitt and WVU to win the league this year. This just shows preseason poll means absolutely nothing.

Dude, I've said all along that the only poll that holds any meaning is the final one. You just now figuring that out?

(11-06-2011 10:18 AM)bitcruncher Wrote:  

(11-05-2011 10:30 PM)SF Husky Wrote:  

(11-05-2011 10:27 PM)CollegeCard Wrote:  Who saw an 0-4 start in league play after USF was 4-0?

People were picking USF, Pitt and WVU to win the league this year. This just shows preseason poll means absolutely nothing.

Dude, I've said all along that the only poll that holds any meaning is the final one. You just now figuring that out?

One thing is true that it is still anyone's game at this point. There isn't much separating all the BE teams from each other. Someone will win this conference and go to the BCS bowl. Home field does matter in the BE.

I have said this before but I will say it again here.

I'm a USF Bulls fan but, every year they are hyped for some reason. We are on average a #50 team as that is the average of our recruiting classes. The fact is that we got rid of Jim Leavitt who was out recruiting and out coaching the coach we have now. Interesting don't you think?

Skip Holtz is running on empty. His recruiting classes are worse then Leavitt's so this will only get uglier from here on unless something is done soon. Either get him a game planner and a super scout or cut him loose.

Note to USF AD; Never hire someone your current coach can beat. Hire someone he can't beat!

(11-06-2011 06:16 PM)Mestophalies Wrote:  I have said this before but I will say it again here.

I'm a USF Bulls fan but, every year they are hyped for some reason. We are on average a #50 team as that is the average of our recruiting classes. The fact is that we got rid of Jim Leavitt who was out recruiting and out coaching the coach we have now. Interesting don't you think?

Skip Holtz is running on empty. His recruiting classes are worse then Leavitt's so this will only get uglier from here on unless something is done soon. Either get him a game planner and a super scout or cut him loose.

Note to USF AD; Never hire someone your current coach can beat. Hire someone he can't beat!

Interesting you say that because skip' s current recruiting class is better than Leavitt ever had without jucos. Let's see what he drs next couple of years before we call him a failure

(11-06-2011 06:47 PM)Cubanbull Wrote:  

(11-06-2011 06:16 PM)Mestophalies Wrote:  I have said this before but I will say it again here.

I'm a USF Bulls fan but, every year they are hyped for some reason. We are on average a #50 team as that is the average of our recruiting classes. The fact is that we got rid of Jim Leavitt who was out recruiting and out coaching the coach we have now. Interesting don't you think?

Skip Holtz is running on empty. His recruiting classes are worse then Leavitt's so this will only get uglier from here on unless something is done soon. Either get him a game planner and a super scout or cut him loose.

Note to USF AD; Never hire someone your current coach can beat. Hire someone he can't beat!

Interesting you say that because skip' s current recruiting class is better than Leavitt ever had without jucos. Let's see what he drs next couple of years before we call him a failure

I always count the entire class since they will all play sooner or later. I do hope things get better and fast. I did not say he was a failure. I infured he was worse then Leavitt though, that much I admit.

(11-06-2011 06:58 PM)Mestophalies Wrote:  

(11-06-2011 06:47 PM)Cubanbull Wrote:  

(11-06-2011 06:16 PM)Mestophalies Wrote:  I have said this before but I will say it again here.

I'm a USF Bulls fan but, every year they are hyped for some reason. We are on average a #50 team as that is the average of our recruiting classes. The fact is that we got rid of Jim Leavitt who was out recruiting and out coaching the coach we have now. Interesting don't you think?

Skip Holtz is running on empty. His recruiting classes are worse then Leavitt's so this will only get uglier from here on unless something is done soon. Either get him a game planner and a super scout or cut him loose.

Note to USF AD; Never hire someone your current coach can beat. Hire someone he can't beat!

Interesting you say that because skip' s current recruiting class is better than Leavitt ever had without jucos. Let's see what he drs next couple of years before we call him a failure

I always count the entire class since they will all play sooner or later. I do hope things get better and fast. I did not say he was a failure. I infured he was worse then Leavitt though, that much I admit.

I am not happy with this years results but I will give him more time before saying Leavitt was better. Jimbo had more years to prove himself and didn't do great in conference play. Would you say the same thing if next year skip goes 5-2 or better in conference play?

(11-06-2011 07:12 PM)Cubanbull Wrote:  

(11-06-2011 06:58 PM)Mestophalies Wrote:  

(11-06-2011 06:47 PM)Cubanbull Wrote:  

(11-06-2011 06:16 PM)Mestophalies Wrote:  I have said this before but I will say it again here.

I'm a USF Bulls fan but, every year they are hyped for some reason. We are on average a #50 team as that is the average of our recruiting classes. The fact is that we got rid of Jim Leavitt who was out recruiting and out coaching the coach we have now. Interesting don't you think?

Skip Holtz is running on empty. His recruiting classes are worse then Leavitt's so this will only get uglier from here on unless something is done soon. Either get him a game planner and a super scout or cut him loose.

Note to USF AD; Never hire someone your current coach can beat. Hire someone he can't beat!

Interesting you say that because skip' s current recruiting class is better than Leavitt ever had without jucos. Let's see what he drs next couple of years before we call him a failure

I always count the entire class since they will all play sooner or later. I do hope things get better and fast. I did not say he was a failure. I infured he was worse then Leavitt though, that much I admit.

I am not happy with this years results but I will give him more time before saying Leavitt was better. Jimbo had more years to prove himself and didn't do great in conference play. Would you say the same thing if next year skip goes 5-2 or better in conference play?

Yes, I will until he hits .500%, {Yes i know if they win out he will be at .500% but I'm not gonna hold my breath}. Then I'll cut him some slack, maybe.

(11-05-2011 10:33 PM)CollegeCard Wrote:  

(11-05-2011 10:30 PM)SF Husky Wrote:  

(11-05-2011 10:27 PM)CollegeCard Wrote:  Who saw an 0-4 start in league play after USF was 4-0?

People were picking USF, Pitt and WVU to win the league this year. This just shows preseason poll means absolutely nothing.

Maybe in the Big East the last few years, but's that due to a general level of mediocrity in the conference. It's not tough to be pretty accurate at picking the top few teams in most conferences with a high level of accuracy.

That because they have a few top feeders and a lot of bottom feeders. The Big East has a better balance of power. It has been liken to what happens in the NFL in that on any given day you don't know who is going to win.

If the Rutgers/USF game was boring as some have stated, what do you consider the big game between LSU & Alabama that ended 9-6 in O/T? A total of 5 field goals. Not exactly what was expected.