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(11-05-2011 11:06 AM)ECU-DMB Fanatic Wrote:  Old school cred???? 03-lmfao When people think of SMU a successful football program is not the 1st thing that comes to mind....The days of Houston and SMU being relevant on a national stage is so long ago that the average college football fans these days have no idea what these schools accomplished in the past. It is not hard to figure why SMU and Houston were added.....The number one reason is TV markets to assist in elevating the value of their TV contract. Second is they needed to some "western" schools to help entice Boise State to come on board. It has very little to do with success or lack there of on the field. It has little to do with Academics. The bottom line for this expansion for the Big East is to increase TV markets and secure Boise St....Adding Houston and SMU helps in both of those areas. The bottom line is everything in the current realignment is money driven, to think otherwise is just nonsense.

And SYRACUSE is MUCH further removed from Ernie Davis than we are from our Heisman winner Andre Ware (by about 30 years). Nevertheless, Cuse brought tradition to the Big East that added to their identity.

That said, I wouldn't expect an ECU fan to know nutt'n bout Heismans.. or pageantry.
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(11-05-2011 10:18 AM)Art Vandelay Wrote:  
(11-05-2011 09:49 AM)10miners Wrote:  over other better schools that are out there for the taking? Memphis and Tulsa would be a better choices. Colorado State and UNLV are out there too since they wanna go after Boise St.

SMU has strong academics and is in a very good market. CSU and UNLV aren't better choices than SMU, I don't know what you are talking about. As for why they didn't take Memphis, who knows, but that is a benefit to all of us who are staying in C-USA.

Your market argument is invalid when the market in question already belongs to another school, and another conference (Texas and the Big 12).

Which game is really going to matter more to Dallas residents, Texas v. Oklahoma, or SMU v. Rutgers?
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(11-05-2011 11:24 AM)Tallgrass Wrote:  The other issue for SMU is how UNT's prgram progresses, once the Mean Green are in CUSA? There will be increased competition from a new source.

I am biased to my school. All of you are biased to your schools, but for the life of me, just one tour of the Mean Green Village, a tour of our "ageless" Super Pit basketball venue, the same tour of Apogee Stadium that Big 12 Interim Commish' Chuck Neinas received and what the hell, a tour of our entire "dormitory saturated" campus and you will better understand why SMU has for years been looking over their shoulders at North Texas (albeit they would never-ever admit that even if being water-boarded all day long).

North Texas ain't going away, SMU. We will grow till you see our shade of green creeping up past Love Field and onto Mockingbird Lane. You best make the Big East work because that will (for now) be the only extra car you have in your garage over North Texas and the rest of CUSA or the MWC for that matter.

Several non-AQ schools became BSC bowl busters while many football programs from the Big 6 AQ conferences sucked hind teat annually, will continue to do so getting no where close to a BSC Bowl so who may still have the advantage with that scenario; or better yet, with change always an annual NCAA staple, what about when NCAA officials see the inequity of it all and then create a sweet deal whereas all FBS schools are inclusive as to get in on the ESPN chicken salad which will then make many of these conference coast to coast re-alignments a moot subject but moreso a waste of exit and entrance fees.

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Houston and SMU don't deserve ****. Neither does UCF. That's the whole problem behind this whole thing.

That's why you don't understand why everyone else is mad. Southern Miss goes out and beats the **** out of all of you every single year. Who deserves to be AQ, the team located in the middle of a city that couldn't give two ***** about their program or the team that goes out there and beats said team into the dirt?

To answer the other thread about the whole BCS antitrust thing, THAT is where the anti-competition shows up. Teams that compete at the top level are arbitrarily left out for bull**** reasons while less qualified teams get a pass simply because they get let into the exclusive little club.

You don't deserve to be in an AQ conference because you were great in basketball a billion years ago, because you cheated your ass off for short-term glory, or because your state has more televisions in it than others.

You deserve to be in an AQ conference when you go out there and compete against the BEST and WIN.
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(11-05-2011 11:51 AM)Steelbeard Wrote:  Houston and SMU don't deserve ****. Neither does UCF. That's the whole problem behind this whole thing.

Did you reaaaaaaaaaaaally need to go there?? Really??

I can understand why you're "butt hurt" after our :rolltide: "game" this year. UCF is still the defending champ. I can't imagine what you're talking about. You move your jaw but your words have no meaning. Southern Miss hasn't done anything of significance since UH beat them in the CUSA Championship, when Case was a freshman.
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Lots of angry words towards SMU. I'm just happy we're going to the Big East.
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(11-05-2011 11:39 AM)BigEastHomer Wrote:  
(11-05-2011 11:06 AM)ECU-DMB Fanatic Wrote:  Old school cred???? 03-lmfao When people think of SMU a successful football program is not the 1st thing that comes to mind....The days of Houston and SMU being relevant on a national stage is so long ago that the average college football fans these days have no idea what these schools accomplished in the past. It is not hard to figure why SMU and Houston were added.....The number one reason is TV markets to assist in elevating the value of their TV contract. Second is they needed to some "western" schools to help entice Boise State to come on board. It has very little to do with success or lack there of on the field. It has little to do with Academics. The bottom line for this expansion for the Big East is to increase TV markets and secure Boise St....Adding Houston and SMU helps in both of those areas. The bottom line is everything in the current realignment is money driven, to think otherwise is just nonsense.

And SYRACUSE is MUCH further removed from Ernie Davis than we are from our Heisman winner Andre Ware (by about 30 years). Nevertheless, Cuse brought tradition to the Big East that added to their identity.

That said, I wouldn't expect an ECU fan to know nutt'n bout Heismans.. or pageantry.

Your right....We were never part of the that semi-pro SWC in which it required you to buy players to be a member.
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(11-05-2011 12:10 PM)Comet Wrote:  Lots of angry words towards SMU. I'm just happy we're going to the Big East.

What angry words??? If facts are angry words then you are right.
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There is a rumor on the MWC board that Boise St is pushing for a more western team. Someone like SDSU and that may interfere with the SMU invitation. Anything is possible but the invitations from the BE are mostly about getting BCS points, otherwise Boise St would not even be an after thought to them, and markets, otherwise SMU would also be an after thought. Not that there is anything wrong with SMU, AFA, UCF or Navy but anyone can plainly see that those schools are no more AQ worthy than ECU, Memphis, Tulsa, Marshall.... and on and on.
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(11-05-2011 11:51 AM)Steelbeard Wrote:  Houston and SMU don't deserve ****. Neither does UCF. That's the whole problem behind this whole thing.

You deserve to be in an AQ conference when you go out there and compete against the BEST and WIN.

UH upsets No. 5 Oklahoma State 45-35

Has anyone ever told you to check your facts before opening your mouth?
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Houston, Tulsa, USM and ECU are the only schools that deserve to "move up". You can make an argument for UCF (even though I don't think it's a strong one). SMU has done NOTHING to deserve BCS status except have alot of money and be in a city where no one cares.
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(11-05-2011 09:56 AM)Kronke Wrote:  No. SMU has been in a power conference before, and (like Houston) never deserved to be left out in the first place.

That has pretty much nothing to do with it. Getting them into C-USA was a tough sell.

But now they have a decent team, in an excellent market, and they have some money. Several other C-USA teams have 2 of those 3 qualities...getting the team is the easiest to change (and the one SMU only recently addressed).
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RE: Anyone else find it funny Big East is taking SMU
Attendance is a big indicator of ratings.

Boise averages 33,000 in BCS-busting years.
Houston is in the 30's also,
and SMU......, well, they're SMU. Today's stadium has many empty seats in a small stadium.


I can tell you that if ECU, USM, or UTEP had BCS-busting years, the attendance would average over 50,000. Nuff said.

I don't know if it's funny to me. More of a lack of logic than anything. But, they'll figure it out. Just as we will.
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I dont think anyone could have a legitimate issue with Houston or UCF. If I was an ECU fan, though, I would fly to Dallas and burn down the entire SMU campus.
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(11-05-2011 11:42 AM)usmjournalism Wrote:  
(11-05-2011 10:18 AM)Art Vandelay Wrote:  
(11-05-2011 09:49 AM)10miners Wrote:  over other better schools that are out there for the taking? Memphis and Tulsa would be a better choices. Colorado State and UNLV are out there too since they wanna go after Boise St.

SMU has strong academics and is in a very good market. CSU and UNLV aren't better choices than SMU, I don't know what you are talking about. As for why they didn't take Memphis, who knows, but that is a benefit to all of us who are staying in C-USA.

Your market argument is invalid when the market in question already belongs to another school, and another conference (Texas and the Big 12).

Which game is really going to matter more to Dallas residents, Texas v. Oklahoma, or SMU v. Rutgers?

I think you're wrong because although it does belong to another school, the Big Least can use the market to justify their selections to the media and the other current members. It's nice PR for them that they just snatched up the Dallas market, whether its true or not, they don't really care right now.
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It is amazing to me how many experts there are regarding SMU and its athletic history. I am especially amused by the continued desire to single out SMU with regards to NCAA infractions. Please grab a list of final rankings for the last 30 years. Go to the NCAA major infraction database. You will quickly discover an interesting correlation between success and infractions especially in the 80s, but also into the present.

I highly doubt any CUSA team would reject a Big East invitation, or refuse an opportunity to be a BCS team. There are many reasons SMU was considered, but location was one of the primary ones. I'm not going to attempt to make the case for SMU, because with this crowd, it is wasted effort. SMU has been left behind several times by conference changes and I know from personal experience it sucks.

No SMU, HOUSTON or UCF fan or alum made the decision for the Big East. The presidents, ADs and media consultants for the conference are the ones that voted for these three schools. Instead of gnashing your teeth at folks who had nothing to do with this, take a long and objective look at your own school, administration and alumni. It might not hurt to even look at the politicians in your city and state. Are they doing everything in their power to elevate your program? Are they serious about competing at the highest football level? Ten years ago at SMU, the answer would have been a big NO.

Final thought -- Does anyone "deserve" BCS status? I mean seriously, what an odd word. Does Duke, Baylor, Wake Forest, Vanderbilt, Northwestern and a host of others "deserve" to be BCS? In the case of those, they got the lucky golden ticket at the beginning. But did USF, Cincinnati or UCONN "deserve" BCS invites? No, its never been about who is deserving.

Invites are simply a business decision based on media consultants and Presidents crunching numbers. I could make a solid case for every CUSA school, but it does not matter because fans don't make those decisions. I would encourage you all to channel your frustration towards the right targets. And please don't burn down my school.
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It is about markets.
If it was about anything else you'd see some other CUSA East teams being asked to come.
For the deranged fans who think being kicked out of a power conference is meaningful, it isn't.

SMU has been horrible and UH has been anything but dominant since this happened.
Markets.

And this isn't some bitter post. I hope UH goes to a BCS bowl and kicks some ass.

If you ask me, it just means SMU and UH got their financial **** together after being left behind one too many times. I wish UTEP would do they same - they're not going to but I wish they would.
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(11-05-2011 02:29 PM)MinerEric Wrote:  It is about markets.
If it was about anything else you'd see some other CUSA East teams being asked to come.
For the deranged fans who think being kicked out of a power conference is meaningful, it isn't.

SMU has been horrible and UH has been anything but dominant since this happened.
Markets.

And this isn't some bitter post. I hope UH goes to a BCS bowl and kicks some ass.

If you ask me, it just means SMU and UH got their financial **** together after being left behind one too many times. I wish UTEP would do they same - they're not going to but I wish they would.

Yep. UTEP's isolation hurts it. I wouldn't burn any school down..... Maybe just a few rocks through some windows.
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(11-05-2011 10:11 AM)SouthGAEagle Wrote:  Well, Tulane was in the SEC, and Temple was in the Big East, so I guess they're next....

Actually, you're not too far off....

Temple was considered for the Big East, but Villanova objected to it. There has been talk of Tulane being invited to the Big XII, though even the New Orleans newspaper says their chances are slim.

Should note that in my opinion, I agree it has more to do with size of their markets than it does with their previous conference membership.
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(11-05-2011 02:11 PM)Kandy Atz Wrote:  It is amazing to me how many experts there are regarding SMU and its athletic history. I am especially amused by the continued desire to single out SMU with regards to NCAA infractions. Please grab a list of final rankings for the last 30 years. Go to the NCAA major infraction database. You will quickly discover an interesting correlation between success and infractions especially in the 80s, but also into the present.

I highly doubt any CUSA team would reject a Big East invitation, or refuse an opportunity to be a BCS team. There are many reasons SMU was considered, but location was one of the primary ones. I'm not going to attempt to make the case for SMU, because with this crowd, it is wasted effort. SMU has been left behind several times by conference changes and I know from personal experience it sucks.

No SMU, HOUSTON or UCF fan or alum made the decision for the Big East. The presidents, ADs and media consultants for the conference are the ones that voted for these three schools. Instead of gnashing your teeth at folks who had nothing to do with this, take a long and objective look at your own school, administration and alumni. It might not hurt to even look at the politicians in your city and state. Are they doing everything in their power to elevate your program? Are they serious about competing at the highest football level? Ten years ago at SMU, the answer would have been a big NO.

Final thought -- Does anyone "deserve" BCS status? I mean seriously, what an odd word. Does Duke, Baylor, Wake Forest, Vanderbilt, Northwestern and a host of others "deserve" to be BCS? In the case of those, they got the lucky golden ticket at the beginning. But did USF, Cincinnati or UCONN "deserve" BCS invites? No, its never been about who is deserving.

Invites are simply a business decision based on media consultants and Presidents crunching numbers. I could make a solid case for every CUSA school, but it does not matter because fans don't make those decisions. I would encourage you all to channel your frustration towards the right targets. And please don't burn down my school.
Agreed, at the end of the day, SMU has SUCKED in the last 20 years but we've made a huge effort (arguably more than any other non-AQ school) to turn it around in the last few years. If SMU sold the Big East on our athletics, they did it on both market and the promise of us actually caring about athletics, which we hadn't done since the damn 80s for crying out loud. All our problems, attendance, poor performance on the field, etc., derive from the fact that our school's officials didn't give two ****s about athletics - it was a bane on our academic integrity in their eyes. All that has changed and our school has been lobbied into BCS conferences with the potential results of SMU flexing its muscles (which is already working!).

If you guys look into our recent past and think we suck and are undeserving, that's perfectly justifiable and I wont argue against you. Precedent is prologue for many people. However, when this school uses its resources, it succeeds. And it's finally giving a damn.
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