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(11-04-2011 05:14 PM)War Torn Ruston Wrote:  That isn't what the article says but post is close to the truth. I have been trying to tell you all this. We have no where for the Olympic sports to go unless BYU can convince the WCC to let us in (no chance).
The way Boise is thinking.......................Boise does not really need the Big East but they would not mind the extra pay. Boise will bargain. And they should seeing as to how they are the key. Just 5 minutes ago I saw Brad Edwards say even with the Broncos they still might fall a little short on AQ status.

Ruston, do you think the majority of Boise fans want to go to the Big East? If you had to put a percentage on it what's the chance you think Boise will go BE?
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Some people here are reading way too much into what Kustra said. He said he wants a western division, the Big East is planning on having one. He did not say that Boise demanded a western division in which every team was in the mountain or pacific time zones. The MWC is not going to become the western division of Big East football.
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(11-04-2011 05:40 PM)ringmaster Wrote:  
(11-04-2011 05:14 PM)War Torn Ruston Wrote:  That isn't what the article says but post is close to the truth. I have been trying to tell you all this. We have no where for the Olympic sports to go unless BYU can convince the WCC to let us in (no chance).
The way Boise is thinking.......................Boise does not really need the Big East but they would not mind the extra pay. Boise will bargain. And they should seeing as to how they are the key. Just 5 minutes ago I saw Brad Edwards say even with the Broncos they still might fall a little short on AQ status.

Ruston, do you think the majority of Boise fans want to go to the Big East? If you had to put a percentage on it what's the chance you think Boise will go BE?
I think maybe 20% of the fans wanna go to The Big East. Not because of the schedule or playing tougher teams (Not even sure that is true), but because The Big East could implode at any moment, we do not wanna burn a bridge with The MWC and it's schools, and because our basketball team is finally on track. If it was the PAC-12 or maybe even the Big 12 it would be different.
My guess is if the Big East actually can get to 2013 without any more deflections Boise will go. BUT.......Hair will be in Boise this weekend to talk to Kustra and company. Could be interesting.
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Sorry to say this, but the whole idea is just stupid. Having Idaho, Colorado, and possibly California schools in the Big East...This is called AQ fever on a monumental scale. Arent there some Canadian schools in the East? Might as well try that too.
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"Western" is a relative term.

Compared to most of the Big East schools, Memphis is west....as is Louisville.

Sure BYU is talking and if the Big East meets their hefty demands (that the Big XII would not), they will join.

If there is truly a school that is west of Houston that is in play - my bet would be Hawaii or Nevada.
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(11-04-2011 06:08 PM)USAFMEDIC Wrote:  Sorry to say this, but the whole idea is just stupid. Having Idaho, Colorado, and possibly California schools in the Big East...This is called AQ fever on a monumental scale. Arent there some Canadian schools in the East? Might as well try that too.

I agree the alliance that would have gone from Haw, to Idaho, to calif, to Miss, to fla, to NC is much more compact.
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(11-04-2011 07:21 PM)goodknightfl Wrote:  
(11-04-2011 06:08 PM)USAFMEDIC Wrote:  Sorry to say this, but the whole idea is just stupid. Having Idaho, Colorado, and possibly California schools in the Big East...This is called AQ fever on a monumental scale. Arent there some Canadian schools in the East? Might as well try that too.

I agree the alliance that would have gone from Haw, to Idaho, to calif, to Miss, to fla, to NC is much more compact.

You bust on the alliance for geography but support a Big East that does the same thing?
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I think maybe 20% of the fans wanna go to The Big East. Not because of the schedule or playing tougher teams (Not even sure that is true), but because The Big East could implode at any moment, we do not wanna burn a bridge with The MWC and it's schools, and because our basketball team is finally on track. If it was the PAC-12 or maybe even the Big 12 it would be different.
My guess is if the Big East actually can get to 2013 without any more deflections Boise will go. BUT.......Hair will be in Boise this weekend to talk to Kustra and company. Could be interesting.
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How would you define "implode?" Is that if any further BE teams leave (Louisville perhaps)? Or are you talking about a split of the basketball schools and the football schools?
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I think maybe 20% of the fans wanna go to The Big East. Not because of the schedule or playing tougher teams (Not even sure that is true), but because The Big East could implode at any moment, we do not wanna burn a bridge with The MWC and it's schools, and because our basketball team is finally on track. If it was the PAC-12 or maybe even the Big 12 it would be different.
My guess is if the Big East actually can get to 2013 without any more deflections Boise will go. BUT.......Hair will be in Boise this weekend to talk to Kustra and company. Could be interesting.
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How would you define "implode?" Is that if any further BE teams leave (Louisville perhaps)? Or are you talking about a split of the basketball schools and the football schools?
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I think the ACC will grab a few schools and if Not having an Undefeated Oklahoma State go to the championship because they did not get enough points to pass a one loss SEC team I could see the Big 12 add 2 more for a championship game.
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Plus I was just watching ESPN right before the USC game. They ragged Boise up and down. If The Big East does not get an ESPN contract. They are screwed. ESPN is running the show it seems like these days.
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(11-04-2011 05:14 PM)War Torn Ruston Wrote:  That isn't what the article says but post is close to the truth. I have been trying to tell you all this. We have no where for the Olympic sports to go unless BYU can convince the WCC to let us in (no chance).
The way Boise is thinking.......................Boise does not really need the Big East but they would not mind the extra pay. Boise will bargain. And they should seeing as to how they are the key. Just 5 minutes ago I saw Brad Edwards say even with the Broncos they still might fall a little short on AQ status.

And if that happens expect a waiver to be granted about five minutes later. Then the rules will be reconstructed in a way that preserves the status quo as much as possible.

It is difficult to believe that people don't understand this at this point but the BCS makes up the rules as they go along and it is always to ensure maximum television exposure. That means that the most heavily populated region in the nation will therefore always have the most sway.

Every time.

It's not rocket science and yet for some reason the whole principle continues to confound an alarmingly high percentage of you.

Boise's "leverage" is what is including it in this discussion in the first place. If things get goofy from here everyone is going to lose. Presumably Kustra understands that and will consummate the deal sometime next week.

I suspect that the delay at this point is finding a home for the Broncos' other sports. They would be INSANE to turn down all of the money a BCS bid would provide them.
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I thought the BE doesn't qualify for another waiver anymore?
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(11-04-2011 08:41 PM)Dr. Isaly von Yinzer Wrote:  
(11-04-2011 05:14 PM)War Torn Ruston Wrote:  That isn't what the article says but post is close to the truth. I have been trying to tell you all this. We have no where for the Olympic sports to go unless BYU can convince the WCC to let us in (no chance).
The way Boise is thinking.......................Boise does not really need the Big East but they would not mind the extra pay. Boise will bargain. And they should seeing as to how they are the key. Just 5 minutes ago I saw Brad Edwards say even with the Broncos they still might fall a little short on AQ status.

And if that happens expect a waiver to be granted about five minutes later. Then the rules will be reconstructed in a way that preserves the status quo as much as possible.

It is difficult to believe that people don't understand this at this point but the BCS makes up the rules as they go along and it is always to ensure maximum television exposure. That means that the most heavily populated region in the nation will therefore always have the most sway.

Every time.

It's not rocket science and yet for some reason the whole principle continues to confound an alarmingly high percentage of you.

Boise's "leverage" is what is including it in this discussion in the first place. If things get goofy from here everyone is going to lose. Presumably Kustra understands that and will consummate the deal sometime next week.

I suspect that the delay at this point is finding a home for the Broncos' other sports. They would be INSANE to turn down all of the money a BCS bid would provide them.

Exactly.

The BCS is simply a system in which the schools that are most attractive to the bowls come together to create an orderly system for chooisng who will go to the most prestigious & lucrative bowls. Everything else is just window dressing.

This basic fact is why Notre Dame is part of the BCS & always will be barring some radical change in their status and it's why the BCS AQ is in jeopardy regardless of who they add.
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(11-04-2011 09:22 PM)apex_pirate Wrote:  I thought the BE doesn't qualify for another waiver anymore?

Huh?
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(11-04-2011 09:39 PM)Melky Cabrera Wrote:  
(11-04-2011 09:22 PM)apex_pirate Wrote:  I thought the BE doesn't qualify for another waiver anymore?

Huh?

Thought i read you can only qualify for a waiver one time.
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(11-04-2011 09:49 PM)apex_pirate Wrote:  
(11-04-2011 09:39 PM)Melky Cabrera Wrote:  
(11-04-2011 09:22 PM)apex_pirate Wrote:  I thought the BE doesn't qualify for another waiver anymore?

Huh?

Thought i read you can only qualify for a waiver one time.

BCS waiver or NCAA waiver? Two different things.
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(11-04-2011 09:38 PM)Melky Cabrera Wrote:  
(11-04-2011 08:41 PM)Dr. Isaly von Yinzer Wrote:  
(11-04-2011 05:14 PM)War Torn Ruston Wrote:  That isn't what the article says but post is close to the truth. I have been trying to tell you all this. We have no where for the Olympic sports to go unless BYU can convince the WCC to let us in (no chance).
The way Boise is thinking.......................Boise does not really need the Big East but they would not mind the extra pay. Boise will bargain. And they should seeing as to how they are the key. Just 5 minutes ago I saw Brad Edwards say even with the Broncos they still might fall a little short on AQ status.

And if that happens expect a waiver to be granted about five minutes later. Then the rules will be reconstructed in a way that preserves the status quo as much as possible.

It is difficult to believe that people don't understand this at this point but the BCS makes up the rules as they go along and it is always to ensure maximum television exposure. That means that the most heavily populated region in the nation will therefore always have the most sway.

Every time.

It's not rocket science and yet for some reason the whole principle continues to confound an alarmingly high percentage of you.

Boise's "leverage" is what is including it in this discussion in the first place. If things get goofy from here everyone is going to lose. Presumably Kustra understands that and will consummate the deal sometime next week.

I suspect that the delay at this point is finding a home for the Broncos' other sports. They would be INSANE to turn down all of the money a BCS bid would provide them.

Exactly.

The BCS is simply a system in which the schools that are most attractive to the bowls come together to create an orderly system for chooisng who will go to the most prestigious & lucrative bowls. Everything else is just window dressing.

This basic fact is why Notre Dame is part of the BCS & always will be barring some radical change in their status and it's why the BCS AQ is in jeopardy regardless of who they add.

This is true. And if ESPN lays out 1.4 billion for the Big East TV rights, do you really think they will be eliminated from the BCS AQ picture making ESPN's Big East games less watched and less valuable? To understand how anything works you must follow the money trail.
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(11-04-2011 05:08 PM)THE NC Herd Fan Wrote:  
(11-04-2011 05:01 PM)jnewyouth Wrote:  
(11-04-2011 04:58 PM)THE NC Herd Fan Wrote:  Available Western teams other than BYU

SDSU, really strong hoops I seriously doubt they would strand their hoops in a weak conference

Nevada, average hoops might be willing to strand them

Wyoming, weak basketball so stranding in weak conference not an issue

Then there's Idaho and CO St. not world beaters in football but they are in the west.
What about Fresno State?
I had the time of my life when UC played at Fresno last year. My father, brother, and I went flew out for the game on Saturday and went to Yosemite on Sunday. I could see myself making that trip often.

Fresno's 2011 Sagrin rating is 63.57, a lot lower than the other potential Big East schools, would be a possibility higher that Idaho or CSU, but likely not first choice.

Not that I particularly want Fresno as part of this but you should use rankings over the period. I think you will find Fresno about average. This year is a down year for us a bit.
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(11-04-2011 09:38 PM)Melky Cabrera Wrote:  Exactly.

The BCS is simply a system in which the schools that are most attractive to the bowls come together to create an orderly system for chooisng who will go to the most prestigious & lucrative bowls. Everything else is just window dressing.

This basic fact is why Notre Dame is part of the BCS & always will be barring some radical change in their status and it's why the BCS AQ is in jeopardy regardless of who they add.

The BE has an issue though, they cease to have anyone left who bowls consider prestigious and lucrative to have in their games.
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(11-04-2011 08:26 PM)War Torn Ruston Wrote:  Plus I was just watching ESPN right before the USC game. They ragged Boise up and down. If The Big East does not get an ESPN contract. They are screwed. ESPN is running the show it seems like these days.

Not true. In fact, leaving ESPN may be preferable at this point.

NBC/Comcast needs content. NBE will have content in every time zone.
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