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RE: Big East files suit against WVU
It was reported in the Morgantown paper that the WV attorney general's office has joined WVU in the lawsuit in Monongalia County.


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It is far too late for Missouri to announce a 2012 entrance to the SEC at this point. The Big 12 and Missouri need to just bite the bullet and stay together for one more season.

The Big East and West Virginia can then fight it out in court over the cost of a 2013 release from the 27-month rule. I am thinking a huge amount along the lines of $30 million.

Pitt and Syracuse will probably opt not to pay such a huge buyout, since the ACC doesn't "need" them right away, and just stick it out in the Big East until the Spring of 2014.
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(11-04-2011 03:56 PM)shocky Wrote:  
(11-04-2011 03:54 PM)EERSFAN Wrote:  
(11-04-2011 03:51 PM)New York Bull Wrote:  I think the big joke is really the suit WVU filed.

You realize the Big East suit's not going to stand right? WVU is going to be in the Big 12 July 1, 2012. It's already been decided. All that's left is Meatball's tears and the matter of $10m-$21m.

I'm curious to know why you think West Virginia is a lock to be out of the Big East, considering every expert believes that West Virginia's law suit is frivolous at best.

every expert?

wow-you mean EVERY LAST EXPERT IN THE WORLD?

WVU will not be in the BE next year
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(11-04-2011 05:57 PM)splitstud Wrote:  
(11-04-2011 05:50 PM)USAFMEDIC Wrote:  
(11-04-2011 03:02 PM)dogma Wrote:  
(11-04-2011 02:49 PM)EERSFAN Wrote:  
(11-04-2011 02:42 PM)New York Bull Wrote:  Going to be a slap fight!


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Greg Auman Big East files breach-of-contract lawsuit against West Virginia. Marinatto says league "will vigorously pursue enforcement of its rights."


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Brett McMurphy Big East filed suit against West Virginia in Superior Court in Rhode Island, seeking WVU to comply w/Big East bylaws

Figures. Wonder why no one is joining the Big Meatball?

???
You don't think ANY conference would do the same?
Be real.

The Big XII watched CU and NU walk and cause the loss of the Championship Game and they didnt sue.

A whole lot of wishful thinking and bluster in this thread. Right now WVU has to worry about if they're ever going to play in the B12, not when.

don't worry about us; we'll be in the Big 12 much sooner than later

enjoy the BE
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until someone involved with WVU or the Big 12 says differently I expect WVU to begin Big 12 play next season. Zero chance we are still in the BE for the 2013 season
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(11-04-2011 07:23 PM)Theodoresdaddy Wrote:  don't worry about us; we'll be in the Big 12 much sooner than later

enjoy the BE

You really need to read the Big East bylaws. By accepting the bylaws, West Virginia is already on record as having agreed to every single point in the Big East's case against them. I simply don't see how they wriggle out of this one.

But I guess you feel that by simply repeating that they will be gone in 2012 ad infinitum, it will magically happen. 03-lmfao
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(11-04-2011 07:25 PM)wvfan27 Wrote:  until someone involved with WVU or the Big 12 says differently I expect WVU to begin Big 12 play next season. Zero chance we are still in the BE in 2014.

It's not often that someone so openly & publicly admits to irrational thinking. 03-lmfao
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(11-04-2011 07:28 PM)Melky Cabrera Wrote:  You really need to read the Big East bylaws. By accepting the bylaws, West Virginia is already on record as having agreed to every single point in the Big East's case against them. I simply don't see how they wriggle out of this one.

But I guess you feel that by simply repeating that they will be gone in 2012 ad infinitum, it will magically happen. 03-lmfao

rarely can you really force someone to honor a contract, you can only sue for the appropriate damages if they don't. Which is what will happen here, WVU will pay their dues and be gone...everyone will claim victory. I know you seem to be upset about all of this, I understand..I probably would be too if I was left behind. But that is what will happen.
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(11-04-2011 07:30 PM)wvfan27 Wrote:  
(11-04-2011 07:28 PM)Melky Cabrera Wrote:  You really need to read the Big East bylaws. By accepting the bylaws, West Virginia is already on record as having agreed to every single point in the Big East's case against them. I simply don't see how they wriggle out of this one.

But I guess you feel that by simply repeating that they will be gone in 2012 ad infinitum, it will magically happen. 03-lmfao

rarely can you really force someone to honor a contract, you can only sue for the appropriate damages if they don't. Which is what will happen here, WVU will pay their dues and be gone...everyone will claim victory. I know you seem to be upset about all of this, I understand..I probably would be too if I was left behind. But that is what will happen.

You're a lawyer?

The fact is that in the bylaws it specifically states that the conference is entitled to seek injunctive relief if a withdrawing member fails to honor any one of the conditions - including the 27 month rule and that the departing member will be responsible for legal fees and any other expenses connected with obtaining the injunction. West Virginia has already agreed to these bylaws

So, do you want to explain to me how West Virginia not only gets out of a contract which they've already agreed to honor, contests the fact that their actions have caused the conference irreparable harm when that language is already specifically in the bylaws to which they've agreed, & fights an injunction which they've previously agreed to?

This is a lot more complicated than you're conceding. You really need to read the bylaws.
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it has been explained to you and others many times on this very board, I'm not doing it again. 99% chance we are gone for 2012 and a 100% chance we are gone by 2013.
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(11-04-2011 07:36 PM)Melky Cabrera Wrote:  
(11-04-2011 07:30 PM)wvfan27 Wrote:  
(11-04-2011 07:28 PM)Melky Cabrera Wrote:  You really need to read the Big East bylaws. By accepting the bylaws, West Virginia is already on record as having agreed to every single point in the Big East's case against them. I simply don't see how they wriggle out of this one.

But I guess you feel that by simply repeating that they will be gone in 2012 ad infinitum, it will magically happen. 03-lmfao

rarely can you really force someone to honor a contract, you can only sue for the appropriate damages if they don't. Which is what will happen here, WVU will pay their dues and be gone...everyone will claim victory. I know you seem to be upset about all of this, I understand..I probably would be too if I was left behind. But that is what will happen.

You're a lawyer?

The fact is that in the bylaws it specifically states that the conference is entitled to seek injunctive relief if a withdrawing member fails to honor any one of the conditions - including the 27 month rule and that the departing member will be responsible for legal fees and any other expenses connected with obtaining the injunction. West Virginia has already agreed to these bylaws

So, do you want to explain to me how West Virginia not only gets out of a contract which they've already agreed to honor, contests the fact that their actions have caused the conference irreparable harm when that language is already specifically in the bylaws to which they've agreed, & fights an injunction which they've previously agreed to?

This is a lot more complicated than you're conceding. You really need to read the bylaws.

Do you have a link to the Big East Constitution? If not, where are you getting your info from?

And again - just because something is in a contract doesn't make it magic. If anything your argument that "a contract is a contract" is an oversimplification of the issues at hand.
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(11-04-2011 07:39 PM)wvfan27 Wrote:  it has been explained to you and others many times on this very board, I'm not doing it again. 99% chance we are gone for 2012 and a 100% chance we are gone by 2013.

Yes, it's been incorrectly explained repeatedly. But repetition doesn't make it correct. Repetition simply makes it a mantra. Be careful When a mantra is repeated over & over again, it puts one in a trace. You seem to already be in a trance state out of touch with reality. 03-zzz
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So about that link, Melky. Do you have one?
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(11-04-2011 07:47 PM)ndlutz Wrote:  
(11-04-2011 07:36 PM)Melky Cabrera Wrote:  
(11-04-2011 07:30 PM)wvfan27 Wrote:  
(11-04-2011 07:28 PM)Melky Cabrera Wrote:  You really need to read the Big East bylaws. By accepting the bylaws, West Virginia is already on record as having agreed to every single point in the Big East's case against them. I simply don't see how they wriggle out of this one.

But I guess you feel that by simply repeating that they will be gone in 2012 ad infinitum, it will magically happen. 03-lmfao

rarely can you really force someone to honor a contract, you can only sue for the appropriate damages if they don't. Which is what will happen here, WVU will pay their dues and be gone...everyone will claim victory. I know you seem to be upset about all of this, I understand..I probably would be too if I was left behind. But that is what will happen.

You're a lawyer?

The fact is that in the bylaws it specifically states that the conference is entitled to seek injunctive relief if a withdrawing member fails to honor any one of the conditions - including the 27 month rule and that the departing member will be responsible for legal fees and any other expenses connected with obtaining the injunction. West Virginia has already agreed to these bylaws

So, do you want to explain to me how West Virginia not only gets out of a contract which they've already agreed to honor, contests the fact that their actions have caused the conference irreparable harm when that language is already specifically in the bylaws to which they've agreed, & fights an injunction which they've previously agreed to?

This is a lot more complicated than you're conceding. You really need to read the bylaws.

Do you have a link to the Big East Constitution? If not, where are you getting your info from?

And again - just because something is in a contract doesn't make it magic. If anything your argument that "a contract is a contract" is an oversimplification of the issues at hand.

You're setting up a straw man argument. When you argue against "a contract is a contract", you're not dealing with me because that's not what I said.

And yes, I do have a link to the Big East Bylaws. They're part of the brief that the Big East submitted in its filing against West Virginia. You can get to the bylaws simply be scrolling down to page 12.

http://news.providencejournal.com/breaki...110411.pdf
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ESPN's legal analyst wrote an article on this.

http://espn.go.com/espn/commentary/story...-precedent

Basically, WVU filed the suit in Morgantown hoping local judge will grant them the right to leave with a regard to the BE by-law. That's WVU's hope and prayer. Good luck with that. Any lawyer will tell you it will take at least couple of years to resolve the lawsuit.

Here is a blurb:

Quote:Moving from conference to conference in pursuit of money should be embarrassing for these schools, but there has been no sign of embarrassment so far by any school president or athletic director. The West Virginia lawsuit should be another source of embarrassment. But the university officials not only aren't embarrassed, they seem to be righteous and indignant about it.

It's likely that there will be more of these lawsuits. How wonderful.
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(11-04-2011 07:58 PM)Melky Cabrera Wrote:  
(11-04-2011 07:47 PM)ndlutz Wrote:  
(11-04-2011 07:36 PM)Melky Cabrera Wrote:  
(11-04-2011 07:30 PM)wvfan27 Wrote:  
(11-04-2011 07:28 PM)Melky Cabrera Wrote:  You really need to read the Big East bylaws. By accepting the bylaws, West Virginia is already on record as having agreed to every single point in the Big East's case against them. I simply don't see how they wriggle out of this one.

But I guess you feel that by simply repeating that they will be gone in 2012 ad infinitum, it will magically happen. 03-lmfao

rarely can you really force someone to honor a contract, you can only sue for the appropriate damages if they don't. Which is what will happen here, WVU will pay their dues and be gone...everyone will claim victory. I know you seem to be upset about all of this, I understand..I probably would be too if I was left behind. But that is what will happen.

You're a lawyer?

The fact is that in the bylaws it specifically states that the conference is entitled to seek injunctive relief if a withdrawing member fails to honor any one of the conditions - including the 27 month rule and that the departing member will be responsible for legal fees and any other expenses connected with obtaining the injunction. West Virginia has already agreed to these bylaws

So, do you want to explain to me how West Virginia not only gets out of a contract which they've already agreed to honor, contests the fact that their actions have caused the conference irreparable harm when that language is already specifically in the bylaws to which they've agreed, & fights an injunction which they've previously agreed to?

This is a lot more complicated than you're conceding. You really need to read the bylaws.

Do you have a link to the Big East Constitution? If not, where are you getting your info from?

And again - just because something is in a contract doesn't make it magic. If anything your argument that "a contract is a contract" is an oversimplification of the issues at hand.

You're setting up a straw man argument. When you argue against "a contract is a contract", you're not dealing with me because that's not what I said.

And yes, I do have a link to the Big East Bylaws. They're part of the brief that the Big East submitted in its filing against West Virginia. You can get to the bylaws simply be scrolling down to page 12.

http://news.providencejournal.com/breaki...110411.pdf

Awesome. Thanks for the link.

My intent was not to setup a straw man. I can see how you would take it that way. My point is just because something is written into a contract does not make it enforceable. Thus, a contract's a contract isn't the way to look at it. Sorry for the confusion.
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So I see that you're referring to 11.02 (b).

I think this provision (at least in part) is a load of crap. It says that the Big East can "seek and obtain" equitable relief...an injunction requiring the withdrawing member to adhere to 11.02 (the withdrawal requirements - 27 months notice, $5 fee, etc.). They also explain their legal theory - they want specific performance because there is no adequate remedy at law (damages - money).

Who cares? It's not up to them to decide if they're entitled to equitable relief. It's up to the court. I would also argue that this says nothing more than the Big East is entitled to sue WVU and allege that they should have to specifically perform by adhering to 11.02. They could have done this without the provision. This provision doesn't entitle them to judgment in their favor and so to me it's redundant of their rights in general.

Here's an interesting point that I found - the last sentence of 11.02 (b) states that "Such equitable relief shall be in addition to any other relief, in law or equity, to which the Conference or any of its Members may be entitled." This is standard legal stuff to put into a contract so it's not surprising to me to see it here but think about what it's saying. The paragraph begins by saying that they need specific performance because there is no adequate remedy at law. Then the last paragraph contemplates a remedy at law and other equitable remedies (whatever that would be). Everyone will look at this as nonsense but it's interesting to me.

They were slick to put the provision in 11.02 (b) that makes the withdrawing member they need to use this clause against responsible for the Conference's legal fees. It's even more interesting to me that this paragraph doesn't discriminate between a claim the Big East wins or loses. Read strictly, even if the withdrawing school is successful in defending against the injunction contemplated by this clause, they still need to pay the Big East's fees. I'm not so sure that's enforceable.
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(11-04-2011 08:49 PM)ndlutz Wrote:  So I see that you're referring to 11.02 (b).

I think this provision (at least in part) is a load of crap. It says that the Big East can "seek and obtain" equitable relief...an injunction requiring the withdrawing member to adhere to 11.02 (the withdrawal requirements - 27 months notice, $5 fee, etc.). They also explain their legal theory - they want specific performance because there is no adequate remedy at law (damages - money).

Who cares? It's not up to them to decide if they're entitled to equitable relief. It's up to the court. I would also argue that this says nothing more than the Big East is entitled to sue WVU and allege that they should have to specifically perform by adhering to 11.02. They could have done this without the provision. This provision doesn't entitle them to judgment in their favor and so to me it's redundant of their rights in general.

Here's an interesting point that I found - the last sentence of 11.02 (b) states that "Such equitable relief shall be in addition to any other relief, in law or equity, to which the Conference or any of its Members may be entitled." This is standard legal stuff to put into a contract so it's not surprising to me to see it here but think about what it's saying. The paragraph begins by saying that they need specific performance because there is no adequate remedy at law. Then the last paragraph contemplates a remedy at law and other equitable remedies (whatever that would be). Everyone will look at this as nonsense but it's interesting to me.

They were slick to put the provision in 11.02 (b) that makes the withdrawing member they need to use this clause against responsible for the Conference's legal fees. It's even more interesting to me that this paragraph doesn't discriminate between a claim the Big East wins or loses. Read strictly, even if the withdrawing school is successful in defending against the injunction contemplated by this clause, they still need to pay the Big East's fees. I'm not so sure that's enforceable.

You keep referring to "they" as you talk about the Big East as though "they" are some group foreign to West Virginia. It was the West Virginia president & his attorney who wrote major parts of this!

To say that West Virginia simply agreed to this stuff as though it were foisted upon them by "the conference" is a massive understatement. It was West Virgnia itself who crafted this stuff & who expected others to adhere to it, the same West Virginia Univesity who is claiming they don't have to adhere to it. Don't think that this isn't of enormous significance.

This "load of crap" - as you refer to it - is West Virginia's own load of crap. The only question is whether the courts want to buy into the load of crap that West Virginia constructed years ago when it was trying to protect its own interests by preventing any more Miami/VY/BC type defections or the load of crap that WVU is shoveling today when they see their interests as getting out of the conference. Hoist on their own petard. Any court will see this as the transparent self-serving attempt to put their own interests before anyone else's.

You can trash this all you want. But the bottom line is that WVU created it & then got everyone else to buy into it in good faith. They agreed to it along with everyone else. They now want to violate that good faith agreement to the detriment financially & otherwise of those who were also party to this.

West Virginia is also going to have to face its own history & that of the conference. Every other member who has ever left this conference has honored whatever exit criteria that existed at the time - going back to Miami & VT. They were so careful to adhere to it that BC had to spend an extra year in the conference because they weren't able to meet the June 30 notification deadline that existed at the time. Leaving in October cost them an extra year - the very same timing as West Virginia is facing now. BC couldn't get out by the following June & WVU won't be able to either. Right up to the present situation with Pitt & Syracuse, everyone has honored the timeline, setting the precedent that there is a reasonable expectation that everyone expected the timeline to be taken seriously.

Furthermore, West Virginia felt so strongly about the integrity of the conference & its agreements being honoerd that they were party to a lawsuit against Miami, BC, & the ACC in 2003-04. How are they going to explain that away as they make their case for preferential treatment - something they weren't willing to extend to others who were in exactly the same situation. That's their history. It will be raised. West Virginia will have to live with the consequences of those actions.

Frankly, I don't see them as having a snowball's chance in hell of getting out of this unless the Big East decides that it's in their own best interests to be rid of them. In that case, they'll be able to go, but it will still cost them dearly.
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West Virginia will be playing football in the Big East in 2012 whether Oliver Luck and their fanbase like it or not. The tortiously interfering conference raider, "OctoCom" Chuck Neinas, better start sending flowers and chocolates to Missouri and informing them that they will be remaining in the Big 12 for the 2012 season. This screwed up process has got to be the sloppiest wave of realignment in the history of the NCAA.
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(11-04-2011 07:20 PM)Lolly Popp Wrote:  It is far too late for Missouri to announce a 2012 entrance to the SEC at this point. The Big 12 and Missouri need to just bite the bullet and stay together for one more season.

Off-Topic but the deadline for Mizzou to the SEC in 2012 isn't until December.
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