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RE: Don't look for political assistance in ending the BCS
I think it's pretty inevitable that there is going to be another, formal split in NCAA football. The 5 power AQ leagues are going to finish raiding the BE of flagship schools (RU and UConn) and then form their own subdivision. The new BE (CUSA 2.0) and the other leftovers will be in another that will have to choose wether it wants to continue the bowl system or have a playoff.
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(11-04-2011 08:49 AM)10thMountain Wrote:  I think it's pretty inevitable that there is going to be another, formal split in NCAA football. The 5 power AQ leagues are going to finish raiding the BE of flagship schools (RU and UConn) and then form their own subdivision. The new BE (CUSA 2.0) and the other leftovers will be in another that will have to choose wether it wants to continue the bowl system or have a playoff.

There is no benefit in a split. The top 5 leagues depend heavily on the non-AQ to fill their schedules. Without the non-AQ last year, Kentucky doesn't get bowl eligible. Without them Arkansas may not have a good enough record to go to a BCS game.

The real money in college athletics is in donations, sponsorships and ticket sales. TV provides less than a third of revenue at most AQ schools. Producing good records to drive donations, sponsorships and ticket sales are essentially to the survivial of the beast.
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RE: Don't look for political assistance in ending the BCS
(11-04-2011 08:49 AM)10thMountain Wrote:  I think it's pretty inevitable that there is going to be another, formal split in NCAA football. The 5 power AQ leagues are going to finish raiding the BE of flagship schools (RU and UConn) and then form their own subdivision. The new BE (CUSA 2.0) and the other leftovers will be in another that will have to choose wether it wants to continue the bowl system or have a playoff.

Rest assured one of the most powerful politicians in congress will see that Louisville is taken care of or The BCS will face serious questions. He caused quite a stir just making phone calls. Wait until he holds hearings (and he has the power to do it, not just give lip service and threaten it) calls comissioners of the BCS conferences in and threatens their tax exempt status. It's good to have powerful season ticket holders.
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RE: Don't look for political assistance in ending the BCS
I don't know why it is that football schools don't seem to have any guts.

The non-AQ schools should come together & form a playoff tournament. They should convince as many schools as they can to join them instead of worshipping at the altar of BCS.

It was the creation of the NIT that forced the big schools to start their own basketball tournament. It was the continuing drain of schools to the NIT that eventually forced the NCAA to pen up their tournament to more schools than just conference champions. It took a long time but it worked. Football needs to do the same thing.

Imagine if there had been a "national championship" game last year featuring TCU (13-0) vs Boise State (12-1). Don't you think that would have generated a huge audience a& a lot of publicity?

How about the year before when Boise was 14-0 and TCU was 12-1?

Or the year before that when Utah was 13-0 & TCU was 11-2?

We've had year after year in succession when undefeated teams aren't even getting a shot at a national championship. They should play their own championship game & taunt the big schools to play them, calling them cowards when they refuse.
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(11-04-2011 09:53 AM)Melky Cabrera Wrote:  I don't know why it is that football schools don't seem to have any guts.

The non-AQ schools should come together & form a playoff tournament. They should convince as many schools as they can to join them instead of worshipping at the altar of BCS.

It was the creation of the NIT that forced the big schools to start their own basketball tournament. It was the continuing drain of schools to the NIT that eventually forced the NCAA to pen up their tournament to more schools than just conference champions. It took a long time but it worked. Football needs to do the same thing.

Imagine if there had been a "national championship" game last year featuring TCU (13-0) vs Boise State (12-1). Don't you think that would have generated a huge audience a& a lot of publicity?

How about the year before when Boise was 14-0 and TCU was 12-1?

Or the year before that when Utah was 13-0 & TCU was 11-2?

We've had year after year in succession when undefeated teams aren't even getting a shot at a national championship. They should play their own championship game & taunt the big schools to play them, calling them cowards when they refuse.

2009-10 Bowl Game TV Ratings

Championship - Alabama-Texas - 17.17
Rose - Ohio State-Oregon - 13.18
Sugar - Cincinnati-Florida - 8.50
Fiesta - Boise State-TCU - 8.23
Orange - Iowa-Georgia Tech - 6.80

http://www.bcsfootball.org/news/story?id=4819384

We have direct evidence of how much that Boise State-TCU matchup mattered to TV viewers. It was a decent draw, but still much less than the #8-ranked Big Ten champ vs. the #7-ranked Pac-10 champ and a bit less than the Big East champ vs. the SEC championship game loser. Slapping a "national championship" label on something that clearly doesn't incorporate the top teams doesn't magically make viewers forget about it simply because it's in a playoff format. Your NIT example should be flipped around. The non-AQ playoff you're proposing is the equivalent to *today's* NIT (the "leftover" tournament) as opposed to the original NIT (which included power teams that happened to finish as high as second in their conferences). That's a massive difference that I don't see benefiting the non-AQ schools at all.
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Says who, Disney?

Any current ESPN news story on conferences, realignment or the BCS is just not credible. They clearly have an agenda to push across and cannot be counted on to give objective viewpoints anymore.

The Bristol Gang ain't shooting straight right now...
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RE: Don't look for political assistance in ending the BCS
(11-04-2011 10:24 AM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  
(11-04-2011 09:53 AM)Melky Cabrera Wrote:  I don't know why it is that football schools don't seem to have any guts.

The non-AQ schools should come together & form a playoff tournament. They should convince as many schools as they can to join them instead of worshipping at the altar of BCS.

It was the creation of the NIT that forced the big schools to start their own basketball tournament. It was the continuing drain of schools to the NIT that eventually forced the NCAA to pen up their tournament to more schools than just conference champions. It took a long time but it worked. Football needs to do the same thing.

Imagine if there had been a "national championship" game last year featuring TCU (13-0) vs Boise State (12-1). Don't you think that would have generated a huge audience a& a lot of publicity?

How about the year before when Boise was 14-0 and TCU was 12-1?

Or the year before that when Utah was 13-0 & TCU was 11-2?

We've had year after year in succession when undefeated teams aren't even getting a shot at a national championship. They should play their own championship game & taunt the big schools to play them, calling them cowards when they refuse.

2009-10 Bowl Game TV Ratings

Championship - Alabama-Texas - 17.17
Rose - Ohio State-Oregon - 13.18
Sugar - Cincinnati-Florida - 8.50
Fiesta - Boise State-TCU - 8.23
Orange - Iowa-Georgia Tech - 6.80

http://www.bcsfootball.org/news/story?id=4819384

We have direct evidence of how much that Boise State-TCU matchup mattered to TV viewers. It was a decent draw, but still much less than the #8-ranked Big Ten champ vs. the #7-ranked Pac-10 champ and a bit less than the Big East champ vs. the SEC championship game loser. Slapping a "national championship" label on something that clearly doesn't incorporate the top teams doesn't magically make viewers forget about it simply because it's in a playoff format. Your NIT example should be flipped around. The non-AQ playoff you're proposing is the equivalent to *today's* NIT (the "leftover" tournament) as opposed to the original NIT (which included power teams that happened to finish as high as second in their conferences). That's a massive difference that I don't see benefiting the non-AQ schools at all.

Your example has some legitimacy, but remember, the NCAA tournament includes all 11 conferences. The BCS essentially does not.
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(11-04-2011 10:48 AM)epark88 Wrote:  Says who, Disney?

Any current ESPN news story on conferences, realignment or the BCS is just not credible. They clearly have an agenda to push across and cannot be counted on to give objective viewpoints anymore.

The Bristol Gang ain't shooting straight right now...

Did you even read it? It wasn't an op-ed. The BCS isn't going anywhere.
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As far as government goes, think of handling ice ... its slippery and if you hold on to it long enough you'll get burned. ESPN op eds are only opinion pieces and carry no credence in the scope of things.
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(11-04-2011 11:41 AM)Dub591 Wrote:  As far as government goes, think of handling ice ... its slippery and if you hold on to it long enough you'll get burned. ESPN op eds are only opinion pieces and carry no credence in the scope of things.

We've heard for years from fans of non-BCS schools about the government getting involved. It doesn't appear to be happening as this article shows. That's the cold hard truth that sucks for fans from non-BCS schools. But I suppose it's easier for them to blame ESPN and hope for fantasy scenarios of conference equality rather than acknowledge reality.
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(11-04-2011 08:52 AM)arkstfan Wrote:  
(11-04-2011 08:49 AM)10thMountain Wrote:  I think it's pretty inevitable that there is going to be another, formal split in NCAA football. The 5 power AQ leagues are going to finish raiding the BE of flagship schools (RU and UConn) and then form their own subdivision. The new BE (CUSA 2.0) and the other leftovers will be in another that will have to choose wether it wants to continue the bowl system or have a playoff.

There is no benefit in a split. The top 5 leagues depend heavily on the non-AQ to fill their schedules. Without the non-AQ last year, Kentucky doesn't get bowl eligible. Without them Arkansas may not have a good enough record to go to a BCS game.

The real money in college athletics is in donations, sponsorships and ticket sales. TV provides less than a third of revenue at most AQ schools. Producing good records to drive donations, sponsorships and ticket sales are essentially to the survivial of the beast.

They can still play us as they can treat us as being like we treat FCS. They can limit the number of games to whatever they want and make their own new division and leave us behind. Then they play us once or twice to fill out their schedules but we are no longer in their league. Sadly we are very expendable.
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I think people are looking in the wrong place for ending the BCS. The legislatures want to kick it to the courts, the president wants the positive press from talking about it, but not the mess that comes with doing it.

However, the real solution is the legislative solution. Look at Utah - two nonBCS schools that are politically the most powerful in the state. What have they done beside hot air? Nada. You want to make a start in bringing the BCS down with state legislatures - start with the state of Utah. Unfortunately, my fellow Cougs seem to be rather spineless when it comes to playing hardball politics, and I haven't lived there since graduating.

Another candidate would be Wyoming, New Mexico, Hawaii, or some other state where the nonBCS teams are dominant. Make contributions to the athletic departments of BCS schools taxable until a playoff is instituted.

It is the presidents that have the power, and only the presidents. Thus, political power must be brought to bear on them. It has to be more than forcing them to tear down the BCS, it must force them to support a playoff.
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(11-04-2011 05:00 PM)HawkeyeCoug Wrote:  I think people are looking in the wrong place for ending the BCS. The legislatures want to kick it to the courts, the president wants the positive press from talking about it, but not the mess that comes with doing it.

However, the real solution is the legislative solution. Look at Utah - two nonBCS schools that are politically the most powerful in the state. What have they done beside hot air? Nada. You want to make a start in bringing the BCS down with state legislatures - start with the state of Utah. Unfortunately, my fellow Cougs seem to be rather spineless when it comes to playing hardball politics, and I haven't lived there since graduating.

Another candidate would be Wyoming, New Mexico, Hawaii, or some other state where the nonBCS teams are dominant. Make contributions to the athletic departments of BCS schools taxable until a playoff is instituted.

It is the presidents that have the power, and only the presidents. Thus, political power must be brought to bear on them. It has to be more than forcing them to tear down the BCS, it must force them to support a playoff.

And put yourself at a weakness while nobody else is doing it? That is why it won't happen. It would be foolish to do this one state at a time and states do not work well together and this has been evident since the Articles of Confederation.
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