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Came across this on a Uconn board....I think this is made up of several excerpts of different articles...there is a WVU slant because one the writers is from MSN


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Big East History 2005 What Happens Next For Big East?
By John Antonik for MSNsportNET.com
May 29, 2003

MORGANTOWN, W.Va. – Well respected sports writer Mickey Furfari was having a friendly conversation with Penn State athletic director Jim Tarman after a West Virginia basketball game in State College, Pa., in 1989 when Tarman casually mentioned something that caught Furfari’s attention.

“This time next year we may be in the Big Ten,
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Caught it on the Rutgers board earlier, but it was linked too. Very interesting history.
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[quote]Former commissioner Roy Kramer, the architect of the Southeastern Conference’s successful 1990 acquisition of Arkansas and South Carolina, scratched his head when he was asked to explain the ACC’s attempt to gut the Big East.

“One of the things we looked at was homogenous institutions,
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<a href='http://connecticut.rivals.com/showmsg.asp?fid=1368&mid=52965995&sid=&tid=52960443&style=1' target='_blank'>Good reading on UConn board</a>
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[quote="Jackson1011"] [quote]Former commissioner Roy Kramer, the architect of the Southeastern Conference’s successful 1990 acquisition of Arkansas and South Carolina, scratched his head when he was asked to explain the ACC’s attempt to gut the Big East.

“One of the things we looked at was homogenous institutions,
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SO#1 That all makes a lot of sense. If what this Uconn fan said is true, no wonder no one wanted to be a part of PSU's league.
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cuseroc Wrote:SO#1 That all makes a lot of sense.&nbsp; If&nbsp; what this Uconn fan said is true, no wonder no one wanted to be a part of PSU's league.
Humanzee is a Pitt fan. Read all of the thread you get different perspective base on which fan is speaking, Pittsburgh versus Penn State. :)
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SO#1 Wrote:<a href='http://connecticut.rivals.com/showmsg.asp?fid=1368&mid=52965995&sid=&tid=52960443&style=1' target='_blank'>Good reading on UConn board</a>
West Virginia is very close to Pittsburgh and the Western PA recruiting base so I hardly think this is accurate saying they are not in a recruiting area.

Also, WVU has the entire state as its market being the premier university of that state.
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Big East Champions
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1991: Miami
1992: Miami
1993: West Virginia
1994: Miami
1995: Virginia Tech*
1996: Miami, Syracuse, Virginia Tech
1997: Syracuse
1998: Syracuse
1999: Virginia Tech
2000: Miami
2001: Miami
2002: Miami
2003: Miami & West Virginia
2004: Boston College, Pittsburgh, Syracuse, West Virginia

* - Miami was not eligable for the conference title.
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Thanks for the article, Jackson.

Mike T is obviously a brilliant man, yet he made so many mistakes over the years, he's probably the one most responsible for the football predicament we find ourselves in today. Imagine the things he could have and should have done differently over the years.

In 1980, he could have added Temple instead of Nova. St. Joe's was the other team in contention since the BE wanted a Philly connection. Temple would have brought fb.

In 1982, when asking Pitt to join, he could have asked Penn State also. At that time, pSU wanted to be in the BE.

In 1990, when takin Miami, he also could have taken Florida State who was looking for a conference also.

In 1998, when MT and Swofford met to discuss a football-only merger, they had to consumate a deal or not even think about it. A championship game might have swung that deal. It's interesting to note that those at the meeting included the Miami, Syracuse, and Florida State athletic directors. In 1999, Swofford's idea of expansion first surfaced. This meeting may have sown those seeds.

In 2003, when the acc made its move, Mike could have tried a countermove instead of a lawsuit. Why not take Florida State, Virginia, Maryland, and Louisville, while keeping our 4 to form our own megaconference. The acc was the one on the bcs ropes, and the Virginia governor would have pushed for UVA to be in a bcs conference.

Probably, the one thing that blocked most of these moves was the desire to protect the bb schools more than the fb schools. This is why the hybrid league can not continue to exist.

LOOKING BACK AT THE 2 PROPOSED CONFERENCES CONFERENCES IN THAT ARTICLE (neither one proposed by the BE), I THINK WE CAN SEE WHERE WE NEED TO GO. Both of them looked like pretty good conferences to me.

1. According to Penn State athletic official Frank Giardina in a recent written account for the Charleston Daily Mail, the composition of the all-sports league was to be made up of Penn State, Boston College, Pitt, Rutgers, Syracuse, Temple, West Virginia and possibly the two service academies, Army and Navy. At the time there was also some feeling that this conglomeration might have been able to convince Maryland to jump from the ACC to the potential new league.

2. in 1990 West Virginia was courted by the Metro in a plan that included a 16-team super conference made up of existing Metro schools and Eastern independents. Raycom, Inc., under the direction of Metro commissioner Ralph McFillen, presented a plan that would join West Virginia, Pitt, Boston College, East Carolina, Syracuse with Cincinnati, Florida State, Louisville, Memphis, South Carolina, Southern Mississippi, Tulane and Virginia Tech.

Now, let's look at which of those aforementioned schools are not presently in a bcs conference. TEMPLE, ARMY, NAVY from the 1st list and EAST CAROLINA, MEMPHIS, S MISS, AND TULANE in the second. That looks like our shopping list.

Frankly, my first choice would be to try to lure some of the bcs teams first: PENN STATE, BOSTON COLLEGE, VIRGINIA TECH.
My second option would be to take as many from the non-bcs list as we need. NAVY, ECU, MEMPHIS, AND S MISS are my present 4 favorites.
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Just one problem there is no need to expand just for expansion's sake. When we split I certainly feel we need to add a team but only a team and thats most likely our friends in Memphis. With any luck though PSU could be needing a home soon and we can pick them up.

As for that Metro plan it would have crashed and burned eventually. 16 teams is too many and the geographic territory would have stretched from Boston to New Orleans. Anyone else feel like that didn't happen for a reason. Now if you gave me ECU, BC, WVU, Pitt, SU, South Carolina, FSU, UL, UC, Memphis, Va Tech, and lets thrown in Rutgers to try and get those lucrative Philadelphia-New Jersey-New York markets. 12 teams, more geographic sense, etc. That conference would have been built to succeed greatly would have prevented the SEC from ever expanding to 12 teams or the ACC for that matter since that league would have been an instant powerhouse in Football and Hoops.

Another interesting concept would have been the Paterno 7 Eastern Independents and Maryland's conference. Thats 8 schools whose gonna round out the 12 members. Chances are FSU and Miami would have joined together to get us up to 10. I'd imagine that ECU and VT might have been brought along by FSU, Miami, and WVU to go to 12 members. Or maybe after stopping at 10, Notre Dame does the unthinkable and adds their might to the conference. So then who do you add to go to 12 maybe they get Connecticut to upgrade sooner or maybe they add an ECU or Va Tech still.

Still another concept that would have been interesting rather than letting the ACC come in and steal 3 schools we turned around and invited Duke and UNC to form the most powerful basketball conference ever and also invite UC and UL. Could anyone possibly stop a lineup of Duke, UNC, UC, UL, Pitt, SU, UConn, BC, Georgetown, Villanova, Seton Hall, St. Johns, Providence, Notre Dame, Rutgers, and WVU? Theres no truly weak weak team in that conference. Its very formidable.
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I don't believe scenario #2 only because UL voted aginst Metro Football in the mid-80s. That league would have been South Carolina, Florida St., Cincy, UL, Memphis, Tulane, Virginia Tech, and Southern Miss. If they voted against that 8 team lineup, what makes you think they would have gone with the 16 team lineup??
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If there had been Metro Football Florida State would have dominated the League just like they did in the ACC before this last round of realignment.

Cincinnati (C-USA 1996-2004, Big East 2005-)
Florida State (ACC 1992-Present)
Georgia Tech (ACC 1983-Present)
Louisville (C-USA 1996-2004, Big East 2005-)
Memphis (C-USA 1996-)
South Carolina (SEC 1992-)
Southern Mississippi (C-USA 1996-)
Tulane (C-USA 1996-)
Virginia Tech (Big East 1991-2003, ACC 2004-)
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BRISTA WRITES:
As for that Metro plan it would have crashed and burned eventually. 16 teams is too many and the geographic territory would have stretched from Boston to New Orleans. Anyone else feel like that didn't happen for a reason.
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Brista, I agree logically with what you say, but look at the irony in that now. The Bigeast has 16 teams. The acc stretches from Boston to Miami (as did the old BE).

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another concept that would have been interesting rather than letting the ACC come in and steal 3 schools we turned around and invited Duke and UNC to form the most powerful basketball conference ever and also invite UC and UL.
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I totally agree that MT should have counteroffered other schools. I don't know how succesful it would have been, but it would have been an interesting fight. It would have been most interesting to keep the 3 we had and offer to FL ST, VA, MD, and LOUISVILLE, thereby building a football juggernat and diminishing the acc to 6 teams. Fight fire with fire!
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JIM15068 Wrote:Mike T is obviously a brilliant man, yet he made so many mistakes over the years, he's probably the one most responsible for the football predicament we find ourselves in today. Imagine the things he could have and should have done differently over the years.

In 1980, he could have added Temple instead of Nova. St. Joe's was the other team in contention since the BE wanted a Philly connection. Temple would have brought fb.
Mike Tranghese wasn't commissioner in 1980, it was Dave Gavitt.

And why would the Big East have taken Temple over Villanova? Temple was still in the East Coast Conference, a much less regarded league which included Bucknell, Lafayette, and West Chester. Villanova had a much stronger basketball tradition.

In fact, in 1979, all the first eight Big East schools had football, albeit at much different levels: BC, Syracuse, and Villanova played I-A, though Villanova dropped I-A soon thereafter. UConn played I-AA. Georgetown, St. John's, and Seton Hall played D-III, while Providence played club ball into the mid-80's.
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Big East Men's Basketball Champions

1979-1980: Georgetown, St. John's & Syracuse
1980-1981: Boston College
1981-1982: Villanova
1982-1983: Boston College, St. John's & Villanova
1983-1984: Georgetown
1984-1985: St. John's
1985-1986: St. John's & Syracuse
1986-1987: Georgetown, Pittsburgh & Syracuse
1987-1988: Pittsburgh
1988-1989: Georgetown
1989-1990: Connecticut & Syracuse
1990-1991: Syracuse
1991-1992: Georgetown, St. John's & Seton Hall
1992-1993: Seton Hall
1993-1994: Connecticut
1994-1995: Connecticut
1995-1996: Connecticut
1996-1997: Boston College & Villanova
1997-1998: Connecticut
1998-1999: Connecticut
1999-2000: Miami & Syracuse
2000-2001: Boston College
2001-2002: Connecticut & Pittsburgh
2002-2003: Pittsburgh & Syracuse
2003-2004: Pittsburgh
2004-2005: Boston College & Connecticut
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Big East Women's Basketball Champions

1982-1983: Providence & St. John's
1983-1984: Pittsburgh & Villanova
1984-1985: St. John's & Villanova
1985-1986: Providence
1986-1987: Villanova
1987-1988: Syracuse
1988-1989: Connecticut
1989-1990: Connecticut & Providence
1990-1991: Connecticut
1991-1992: Miami
1992-1993: Georgetown & Miami
1993-1994: Connecticut
1994-1995: Connecticut
1995-1996: Connecticut
1996-1997: Connecticut
1997-1998: Connecticut
1998-1999: Connecticut & Rutgers
1999-2000: Connecticut
2000-2001: Connecticut & Notre Dame
2001-2002: Connecticut
2002-2003: Connecticut
2003-2004: Connecticut
2004-2005: Rutgers
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Big East Members

Boston College: 1979-2004
Cincinnati: 2005-Present
Connecticut: 1979-Present
De Paul: 2005-Present
Georgetown: 1979-Present
Louisville: 2005-Present
Marquette: 2005-Present
Miami: 1991-2004
Notre Dame: 1994-Present
Pittsburgh: 1982-Present
Providence: 1979-Present
Rutgers: 1994-Present
St. John's: 1979-Present
Seton Hall: 1979-Present
South Florida: 2005-Present
Syracuse: 1979-Present
Villanova: 1980-Present
Virginia Tech: 2001-2004
West Virginia: 1994-Present
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DFW HOYA Wrote:
JIM15068 Wrote:Mike T is obviously a brilliant man, yet he made so many mistakes over the years, he's probably the one most responsible for the football predicament we find ourselves in today. Imagine the things he could have and should have done differently over the years.

In 1980, he could have added Temple instead of Nova. St. Joe's was the other team in contention since the BE wanted a Philly connection. Temple would have brought fb.
Mike Tranghese wasn't commissioner in 1980, it was Dave Gavitt.

And why would the Big East have taken Temple over Villanova? Temple was still in the East Coast Conference, a much less regarded league which included Bucknell, Lafayette, and West Chester. Villanova had a much stronger basketball tradition.

In fact, in 1979, all the first eight Big East schools had football, albeit at much different levels: BC, Syracuse, and Villanova played I-A, though Villanova dropped I-A soon thereafter. UConn played I-AA. Georgetown, St. John's, and Seton Hall played D-III, while Providence played club ball into the mid-80's.
I should have said the BE commissioner has made many mistakes over the years, not simply MT. Of course, Gavitt had the same goal as MT, which was to promote basketball.

That is my point. The overemphasis of basketball to the detriment of football is what brought us to this crisis.

Now, why would I have preferred Temple over Nova? The whole reason is that Temple also brought football. Nova discontinued football totally following the 1980 year. They had 4 losing seasons in that six-year span. Temple, on the other hand, only had 2 losing seasons.

I have nothing against Nova. I believe they are/were a great bb program. It just seems to me that Temple would have shown more foresight.
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David Krysakowski Wrote:Big East Members

Boston College: 1979-2004
Cincinnati: 2005-Present
Connecticut: 1979-Present
De Paul: 2005-Present
Georgetown: 1979-Present
Louisville: 2005-Present
Marquette: 2005-Present
Miami: 1991-2004
Notre Dame: 1994-Present
Pittsburgh: 1982-Present
Providence: 1979-Present
Rutgers: 1994-Present
St. John's: 1979-Present
Seton Hall: 1979-Present
South Florida: 2005-Present
Syracuse: 1979-Present
Villanova: 1980-Present
Virginia Tech: 2001-2004
West Virginia: 1994-Present
David thats slightly inaccurate:
Rutgers and WVU should be noted as being FB members from 1991-Present, and All sports members from 1995-Present. Temple should be added as FB only 1991-2004. Virginia Tech should be noted as a FB member from 1991-2004.
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