(11-03-2011 08:46 PM)ArQ Wrote:  

(11-03-2011 08:01 PM)ECU-DMB Fanatic Wrote:  

(11-03-2011 05:54 PM)ArQ Wrote:  

(11-03-2011 05:36 PM)UConn-SMU Wrote:  

(11-03-2011 05:18 PM)SF Husky Wrote:  So how would the divisions break down? At this rate, Western division schools might as well form their own basketball conference and add a few more non-FB playing schools to round out the numbers.

Just a guess ........

West ***

Boise
AFA
BYU
Nevada (or SDSU, etc.)
SMU
Houston
Louisville

East **

UConn
Rutgers
Navy
Cincinnati
USF
UCF
Temple (or ECU, etc.)

Cards fans won't like that.

The idea of adding 2 more western schools is to grant Louisville and Villanova's wishes.

Louisville doesn't want to be in West Division.
Villanova doesn't want Temple or any eastern school like ECU in Big East.

Combining this means adding more western schools.

I hate Temple and ECU fans keep lurking here and including themselves in the conversation even the topic is to keep them away. Honestly, ECU or Temple will never be accepted by BE because of low academics. Please just go away and spent the energy on improving yourselves.

East Division:

Louisville
Cincinnati
Rutgers
UConn
USF
UCF
Navy

West Division:
Houston
SMU
Boise State
Air Force
BYU
Two more western schools (SDSU/Nevada/UNLV/Colorado State)

ECU and Temple not being added because of academics.....That is laughable. Both of our schools academics rank higher than a couple of the schools you are adding. Might want to check that one out before making yourself look silly.

ECU is not tier 1 in academics according US News & World Report. Big East academics standard is set to the level of Rutgers, Pittsburgh, Syracuse and UConn, 50ish on US News & World Report. The replacements should be comparable to Syracuse and Pittsburgh if not higher. SMU and Houston are chosen because they used be in Southwest Conference, a big boy club. UCF is chosen because of the potential thanks to be in Florida. Boise State is an exception. But how could we reject a top 5 football program in the past 10 years? ECU just doesn't have these credentials. For starters, you are a directional school in a mid size state. You are capped forever for your growth potential. ECU should spend the energy on begging UNC and Duke to let you join their club through state senators or someone. Your are a little brother to them. Big East has made it clear that we need schools in metro area.

Yes we are...We made it to Tier 1 this year, just behind UCF in the rankings. I am not going to argue the merits of ECU vs any other school as all of that has been hashed out many times. My point was to defend ECU's academics compared to some of the schools being added. Just saying ECU's academics were not the reason they were not pursued by ECU. We all knows it comes down to location and that is why ECU was not added.

Nevada, SDSU, and other MWC teams will not be joining the Big East. The league will be divided as follows.

BIG EAST ATLANTIC
UConn & Rutgers
Cincy & Louisville
USF & UCF

BIG EAST PACIFIC
Houston & SMU
Navy & Air Force
BYU & Boise State

This offers great rivalry games and manageable travel. Some posters are getting ridiculously carried away.

(11-03-2011 09:22 PM)ArQ Wrote:  

(11-03-2011 09:00 PM)Lolly Popp Wrote:  ECU should actually focus on becoming the 15th or 16th team in the SEC. They have no shot at the ACC. If the SEC truly wants to get into North Carolina, none of the Tobacco Road schools are budging, so they may as well just add ECU.

The Big East has clearly moved toward a model of only having urban schools in huge markets, and ECU fans need to accept this, because there is no school remotely like them in this league now that Virginia Tech and West Virginia are gone.

ECU would fit into the SEC very well, as they line up with that culture perfectly, but the Big East is just not the right match. All the complaining in the world, especially on this board, will not get the Big East's leaders to change their minds.

I agree with you 100%. And Big East will thank ECU for being the 15th or 16th team of SEC because it means Big East will lose less schools.

In the long run, I think Louisville is best to stay in Big East if the league manage to lose one or two more schools and survive. We can always add the top western schools not in BCS. To replace eastern schools losing to Big 10 and ACC. We have three schools in the waiting line in this order:

1. Army for NYC market.
2. Villanova for Philadelphia market.
3. Temple if Villanova ultimately decides not to upgrade.

I think eventually we will lose Rutgers and UConn. So the permanent Big East looks like:

East Division:

Louisville
Cincinnati
USF
UCF
Navy
Army
Villanova or Temple

West Divsion:

SMU
Houston
Boise State
Air Force
Nevada or UNLV
New Mexico
BYU or SDSU

But at this stage, we need to add two more western schools, not eastern schools to balance the two divisions. Eastern schools need to be replaced , not to be added. And it happens on the next stage when UConn and Rutgers are gone.

There is some talk of Navy not being able to join until 2015 due to scheduling issues. That may allow Louisville to remain in the east without going to 14.

I suspect BYU will not be able to join before 2015 either. No big deal. The Big East will just go with 10 teams and no divisions for two years, unless the defectors are still around, and then add Navy and BYU in 2015. Works out perfectly fine.

When they do go to divisions, Louisville will be in the Atlantic (East), and Navy in the Pacific (West). It makes more sense that way because Navy is used to traveling, likes a national schedule, and is joining to to be with Air Force anyway.

(11-03-2011 10:35 PM)Lolly Popp Wrote:  I suspect BYU will not be able to join before 2015 either. No big deal. The Big East will just go with 10 teams and no divisions for two years, unless the defectors are still around, and then add Navy and BYU in 2015. Works out perfectly fine.

When they do go to divisions, Louisville will be in the Atlantic (East), and Navy in the Pacific (West). It makes more sense that way because Navy is used to traveling, likes a national schedule, and is joining to to be with Air Force anyway.

Makes sense. but I hope we don't have to wait til 2015 to get to 12 members.

(11-03-2011 10:25 PM)Lolly Popp Wrote:  Nevada, SDSU, and other MWC teams will not be joining the Big East. The league will be divided as follows.

BIG EAST ATLANTIC
UConn & Rutgers
Cincy & Louisville
USF & UCF

BIG EAST PACIFIC
Houston & SMU
Navy & Air Force
BYU & Boise State

This offers great rivalry games and manageable travel. Some posters are getting ridiculously carried away.

State your source.

I could see Nevada - Reno but why not Fresno at that point? Fresno is a legit program who deserves the call up more than most. I like the idea of BYU, Fresno and ECU as numbers 12 - 14.

Sent from my DROID BIONIC using Tapatalk

(11-03-2011 11:01 PM)brista21 Wrote:  I could see Nevada - Reno but why not Fresno at that point? Fresno is a legit program who deserves the call up more than most. I like the idea of BYU, Fresno and ECU as numbers 12 - 14.

Sent from my DROID BIONIC using Tapatalk

Hi, Rutgers fan, let's all agree that the teams added at this stage must be in West Division so they must be in western states. There are many good western teams to choose from, especially many flagship state universities like Rutgers, especially in those states growing in population. Let's rule out all schools in the eastern time zone like ECU, Memphis and Temple. When you leave, which I believe will happen, ECU could be your replacement. But not today to add another eastern school to make Louisville fans' life difficult.

(11-03-2011 10:30 PM)attackfrog Wrote:  

(11-03-2011 09:22 PM)ArQ Wrote:  

(11-03-2011 09:00 PM)Lolly Popp Wrote:  ECU should actually focus on becoming the 15th or 16th team in the SEC. They have no shot at the ACC. If the SEC truly wants to get into North Carolina, none of the Tobacco Road schools are budging, so they may as well just add ECU.

The Big East has clearly moved toward a model of only having urban schools in huge markets, and ECU fans need to accept this, because there is no school remotely like them in this league now that Virginia Tech and West Virginia are gone.

ECU would fit into the SEC very well, as they line up with that culture perfectly, but the Big East is just not the right match. All the complaining in the world, especially on this board, will not get the Big East's leaders to change their minds.

I agree with you 100%. And Big East will thank ECU for being the 15th or 16th team of SEC because it means Big East will lose less schools.

In the long run, I think Louisville is best to stay in Big East if the league manage to lose one or two more schools and survive. We can always add the top western schools not in BCS. To replace eastern schools losing to Big 10 and ACC. We have three schools in the waiting line in this order:

1. Army for NYC market.
2. Villanova for Philadelphia market.
3. Temple if Villanova ultimately decides not to upgrade.

I think eventually we will lose Rutgers and UConn. So the permanent Big East looks like:

East Division:

Louisville
Cincinnati
USF
UCF
Navy
Army
Villanova or Temple

West Divsion:

SMU
Houston
Boise State
Air Force
Nevada or UNLV
New Mexico
BYU or SDSU

But at this stage, we need to add two more western schools, not eastern schools to balance the two divisions. Eastern schools need to be replaced , not to be added. And it happens on the next stage when UConn and Rutgers are gone.

There is some talk of Navy not being able to join until 2015 due to scheduling issues. That may allow Louisville to remain in the east without going to 14.

Navy could cancel the 2014, 2015 schedule but keep 2012, 2013 schedule. Send Pittsburgh, West Virginia to West Division in 2012 and 2013.

(11-03-2011 10:25 PM)Lolly Popp Wrote:  Nevada, SDSU, and other MWC teams will not be joining the Big East. The league will be divided as follows.

BIG EAST ATLANTIC
UConn & Rutgers
Cincy & Louisville
USF & UCF

BIG EAST PACIFIC
Houston & SMU
Navy & Air Force
BYU & Boise State

This offers great rivalry games and manageable travel. Some posters are getting ridiculously carried away.

There is something wrong with putting Navy, whose campus is on the Chesapeake Bay (Atlantic Ocean) shoreline, in the "Pacific" division.

(11-03-2011 11:11 PM)ArQ Wrote:  

(11-03-2011 11:01 PM)brista21 Wrote:  I could see Nevada - Reno but why not Fresno at that point? Fresno is a legit program who deserves the call up more than most. I like the idea of BYU, Fresno and ECU as numbers 12 - 14.

Sent from my DROID BIONIC using Tapatalk

Hi, Rutgers fan, let's all agree that the teams added at this stage must be in West Division so they must be in western states. There are many good western teams to choose from, especially many flagship state universities like Rutgers, especially in those states growing in population. Let's rule out all schools in the eastern time zone like ECU, Memphis and Temple. When you leave, which I believe will happen, ECU could be your replacement. But not today to add another eastern school to make Louisville fans' life difficult.

No way Memphis is in the eastern time zone.
Anyway, I don't think they'll base a decision this big around which side UL is on. If anything, they will just pick an east team and make them play in the west.

Louisville's about the westernmost city in the eastern time zone. All of Kentucky west of Louisville is in the central. Tennessee, too, is divided, and Nashville, just a little bit west of Louisville, is in the central time zone. Memphis is on the western edge of TN.

(11-04-2011 09:42 AM)uccheese Wrote:  

(11-03-2011 11:11 PM)ArQ Wrote:  

(11-03-2011 11:01 PM)brista21 Wrote:  I could see Nevada - Reno but why not Fresno at that point? Fresno is a legit program who deserves the call up more than most. I like the idea of BYU, Fresno and ECU as numbers 12 - 14.

Sent from my DROID BIONIC using Tapatalk

Hi, Rutgers fan, let's all agree that the teams added at this stage must be in West Division so they must be in western states. There are many good western teams to choose from, especially many flagship state universities like Rutgers, especially in those states growing in population. Let's rule out all schools in the eastern time zone like ECU, Memphis and Temple. When you leave, which I believe will happen, ECU could be your replacement. But not today to add another eastern school to make Louisville fans' life difficult.

No way Memphis is in the eastern time zone.
Anyway, I don't think they'll base a decision this big around which side UL is on. If anything, they will just pick an east team and make them play in the west.

Sorry about Memphis time zone. Half of Tennessee is in Central Time Zone and half is in Eastern Time Zone. It tells me that Memphis is more an eastern school than true western schools like Nevada or New Mexico. The bottom line is that we need to build West Division by adding western schools surrounding Boise State to make West Division geographic fit.

Doesn't much matter though if you are playing a 9 game conference schedule.

I think SDSU is a great addition to a western division. Great destination, good athletic dept, good recruiting resources. And Cali is clearly underrepresented in the BCS (both Texas and Fla will have more BCS schools, despite Cali being a lot more populous than both). I suspect that they'd be one of the strongest programs in the league.

(11-04-2011 10:06 AM)Frog in the Kitchen Sink Wrote:  I think SDSU is a great addition to a western division. Great destination, good athletic dept, good recruiting resources. And Cali is clearly underrepresented in the BCS (both Texas and Fla will have more BCS schools, despite Cali being a lot more populous than both). I suspect that they'd be one of the strongest programs in the league.

I think so too, it's just a shame that this league would span all of continental America at that point. I understand geography isn't nearly as big of a deal today as it was even 10 years ago, but the olympic sports teams are going to be flying or busing very long distances. Football strength wins in this, but this Big East realignment isn't without people who are losing either. With all that said, I really am a fan of SDSU, not just for turning their football around but also their basketball!

(11-04-2011 09:55 AM)ArQ Wrote:  

(11-04-2011 09:42 AM)uccheese Wrote:  

(11-03-2011 11:11 PM)ArQ Wrote:  

(11-03-2011 11:01 PM)brista21 Wrote:  I could see Nevada - Reno but why not Fresno at that point? Fresno is a legit program who deserves the call up more than most. I like the idea of BYU, Fresno and ECU as numbers 12 - 14.

Sent from my DROID BIONIC using Tapatalk

Hi, Rutgers fan, let's all agree that the teams added at this stage must be in West Division so they must be in western states. There are many good western teams to choose from, especially many flagship state universities like Rutgers, especially in those states growing in population. Let's rule out all schools in the eastern time zone like ECU, Memphis and Temple. When you leave, which I believe will happen, ECU could be your replacement. But not today to add another eastern school to make Louisville fans' life difficult.

No way Memphis is in the eastern time zone.
Anyway, I don't think they'll base a decision this big around which side UL is on. If anything, they will just pick an east team and make them play in the west.

Sorry about Memphis time zone. Half of Tennessee is in Central Time Zone and half is in Eastern Time Zone. It tells me that Memphis is more an eastern school than true western schools like Nevada or New Mexico. The bottom line is that we need to build West Division by adding western schools surrounding Boise State to make West Division geographic fit.

Ya, I see what you're saying, but Memphis is much more West than UL or UC, which means it would make things easier for those 2 teams (by pushing them into the east).

Wow. Friend of mine from unnamed CUSA school just called SMU the new Loserville. Whatever that means.

(11-04-2011 10:28 AM)Comet Wrote:  

(11-04-2011 10:06 AM)Frog in the Kitchen Sink Wrote:  I think SDSU is a great addition to a western division. Great destination, good athletic dept, good recruiting resources. And Cali is clearly underrepresented in the BCS (both Texas and Fla will have more BCS schools, despite Cali being a lot more populous than both). I suspect that they'd be one of the strongest programs in the league.

I think so too, it's just a shame that this league would span all of continental America at that point. I understand geography isn't nearly as big of a deal today as it was even 10 years ago, but the olympic sports teams are going to be flying or busing very long distances. Football strength wins in this, but this Big East realignment isn't without people who are losing either. With all that said, I really am a fan of SDSU, not just for turning their football around but also their basketball!

I imagine that all of the Mountain Time Zone or Pacific Time Zone teams would be football only so I don't the the travel is as much of a concern as it would be for an all sports league.

(11-04-2011 10:51 AM)Pony94 Wrote:  Wow. Friend of mine from unnamed CUSA school just called SMU the new Loserville. Whatever that means.

"Loserville" is our not-so-affectionate nickname for our rivals at UL.