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RE: ECU: No We Have Not Given Up...Still Hoping for the Best
(11-04-2011 05:14 AM)ShoreBuc Wrote:  
(11-04-2011 04:18 AM)Dub591 Wrote:  ECU has made nearly 30 applications to the BE over the years. The Pirates have absolutely every prerequisite for the BE except for location in a multi million person market; it doesn't matter that they park 50K people in the stands each Saturday and have TV coverage that ranks only behind UNC ... ECU will likely be passed by again. The good news is that they haven't really lost anything except games against some old friends. There will be new rivalries built as Charlotte comes on line, ApSt. is a sister school on the opposite end of NC, and relationships with FIU/FAU can be developed. I see CUSA getting stronger as the major markets of the Northeast falter and the prodigy quarterbacks of Western teams dissolve. The service schools add little to the mix and when frustrated by schedule they will walk away. But, ECU will probably still be an afterthought, that has been made clear by the hardwood purveyors of the Big East. I would that I would be proven wrong. However, that said, I will dutifully travel to GVegas on fall afternoons, but otherwise, quietly pull my Mizzou hat out of the closet and chant along side the TV, SEC, SEC, SEC.

Having former ECU AD Dave Hart for a cousin and having asked Terry Holland as well I can tell you that number of applications was just a joke by a blogger that the messageboard world has taken and run with. I agree with the rest of what you posted. ECU fans don't want to think about it but 10yrs from now East Coast and South East Football could look a lot different. North Carolina and Virginia continue to grow their populations and in turn add High Schools and recruits. JMU, ODU, Charlotte will all be schools with over 30k students and nice facilities and are practically in our backyard. Throw in other schools like Georgia St, FIU, FAU and there will plenty of Conference member possibilities that might look like a downgrade now but in 10yrs who knows what will happen.

We should have just stayed in the SOCON if that's our future, or at least saved a whole lot of money on facility improvements, because they sure weren't needed to play in the CAA.
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My theory....There are Presidents of BE schools that simply feel that ECU is not worthy of their association. This is personal. Evidently there is a stench that emanates from Greenville that reaches the city limits of Providence.
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RE: ECU: No We Have Not Given Up...Still Hoping for the Best
(11-04-2011 06:53 AM)HP-TBDPITL Wrote:  
(11-04-2011 06:07 AM)ShoreBuc Wrote:  
(11-04-2011 05:36 AM)HP-TBDPITL Wrote:  
(11-04-2011 05:14 AM)ShoreBuc Wrote:  
(11-04-2011 04:18 AM)Dub591 Wrote:  ECU has made nearly 30 applications to the BE over the years. The Pirates have absolutely every prerequisite for the BE except for location in a multi million person market; it doesn't matter that they park 50K people in the stands each Saturday and have TV coverage that ranks only behind UNC ... ECU will likely be passed by again. The good news is that they haven't really lost anything except games against some old friends. There will be new rivalries built as Charlotte comes on line, ApSt. is a sister school on the opposite end of NC, and relationships with FIU/FAU can be developed. I see CUSA getting stronger as the major markets of the Northeast falter and the prodigy quarterbacks of Western teams dissolve. The service schools add little to the mix and when frustrated by schedule they will walk away. But, ECU will probably still be an afterthought, that has been made clear by the hardwood purveyors of the Big East. I would that I would be proven wrong. However, that said, I will dutifully travel to GVegas on fall afternoons, but otherwise, quietly pull my Mizzou hat out of the closet and chant along side the TV, SEC, SEC, SEC.

Having former ECU AD Dave Hart for a cousin and having asked Terry Holland as well I can tell you that number of applications was just a joke by a blogger that the messageboard world has taken and run with. I agree with the rest of what you posted. ECU fans don't want to think about it but 10yrs from now East Coast and South East Football could look a lot different. North Carolina and Virginia continue to grow their populations and in turn add High Schools and recruits. JMU, ODU, Charlotte will all be schools with over 30k students and nice facilities and are practically in our backyard. Throw in other schools like Georgia St, FIU, FAU and there will plenty of Conference member possibilities that might look like a downgrade now but in 10yrs who knows what will happen.

Thing is...ECU and Southern Miss have 30 plus years on those schools and get to decide "who" they want to play with. Where I differ with some is to allow another in state school to assume our 30 plus years of hard work should not give us an advantage, it absolutely should. It gives us a chance to decide and we need to be choosy about it. My issue with App and JMU is that they have never done anything in any sport on the D-1 level, whereas Charlotte and Old Dominion have. This stuff wont happen overnight and we will see who deserves it the most and as we know you have to have some kind of marketable situation to move up. To assume that all of these programs will be inthe same conference is generalizing the situation.

I don't assume they will all be in the same Conference. What I do assume is there will be further movement from the Big 5 AQ BCS Conferences. I don't see a scenario where Louisville, UCONN, Rutgers, UC and maybe USF are playing 10yrs from now in the Big East. Question is at that point will Big East be able to follow the same old model of rebuilding with CUSA schools or does something new come about. I will say that if JMU makes the committment they could easily move to the next level. They have solid facilities across the board and Virginia only has VT and UVA to compete with right now so both JMU and ODU could definitely be players in that state in the next decade IMO.

As we are acutely aware, facilities dont mean squat. JMU and App can build all the facilities they want, but they add no "value" because they offer no TV market and no recruiting territory. Old Dominion and Charlotte, however, add BOTH. Those are the two institutions that will move forward in this current climate. They are the FAU's and North Texas'. They have the "airports" that are so desired right now.

And JMU has an awful football team. I was at the season opener at UNC versus JMU and we just beat them silly in every facet of the game. They have a long way to go.
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bondjons....you've got to think several yrs down the road at this point. We got screwed, move on, and you're right my optimism started fading quickly as soon as the BSU rumors started. That was a no brainer if they can get AF on board and then the 1st thing I thought of was BYU. We got F'd. It's not over but our chances in BE depend on a lot of stuff going right for us.

Moving forward is all we can do. Promoting teams doesn't mean we're moving backwards. It's just teams we can dominate like Boise did. CUSA needs to add say....3 or 5 teams to go to 12 or 14.

I'd rather not poach the Sunbelt to be honest. I'd also avoid the FIU/FAU schools because they are the ones that will bypass us because of their location.

I think UTEP should go to MWC then........
In no particular order I think we should add.....

1) ODU has quality basketball and they're close to ECU. TH has "pimped" them on the radio before and they're serious about building football.

2) LaTech is a rival to USM. They also close the gap a little with Memphis and Tulsa/Rice. The rest of the WAC should probably just merge w/ MWC.

3) GSU has A LOT of potential in Atlanta and they would further help solidify the southern core of the league.

4) Troy could help UAB a lot (develop rivalry) OR replace UAB if UAB drops football. It seems like the stadium rejection might be the death blow to that program.

5) WKU has quality basketball and they seem to be improving on the gridiron.

6) MTSU

App St / JMU should get a look too but I know many Pirates will flatline if we end up in a conference with App. IMO it will happen eventually. TH has hinted at this and said something along the lines of "small, southern, geographically tight universities are the future going forward."
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(11-04-2011 08:12 AM)NoQuarter08 Wrote:  bondjons....you've got to think several yrs down the road at this point. We got screwed, move on, and you're right my optimism started fading quickly as soon as the BSU rumors started. That was a no brainer if they can get AF on board and then the 1st thing I thought of was BYU. We got F'd. It's not over but our chances in BE depend on a lot of stuff going right for us.

Moving forward is all we can do. Promoting teams doesn't mean we're moving backwards. It's just teams we can dominate like Boise did. CUSA needs to add say....3 or 5 teams to go to 12 or 14.

I'd rather not poach the Sunbelt to be honest. I'd also avoid the FIU/FAU schools because they are the ones that will bypass us because of their location.

I think UTEP should go to MWC then........
In no particular order I think we should add.....

1) ODU has quality basketball and they're close to ECU. TH has "pimped" them on the radio before and they're serious about building football.

2) LaTech is a rival to USM. They also close the gap a little with Memphis and Tulsa/Rice. The rest of the WAC should probably just merge w/ MWC.

3) GSU has A LOT of potential in Atlanta and they would further help solidify the southern core of the league.

4) Troy could help UAB a lot (develop rivalry) OR replace UAB if UAB drops football. It seems like the stadium rejection might be the death blow to that program.

5) WKU has quality basketball and they seem to be improving on the gridiron.

6) MTSU

App St / JMU should get a look too but I know many Pirates will flatline if we end up in a conference with App. IMO it will happen eventually. TH has hinted at this and said something along the lines of "small, southern, geographically tight universities are the future going forward."

You say you'd rather not poach the Suck-Belt, and then propose a majority of Suck-Belt candidates. Yes being in a league with those teams means we are moving backwards. If we are going way backwards either way I'd rather just hit the reset button and get in something that is going to make sense for the long term. Do the really regional league with teams like

App
JMU
ODU
GSU
UNCC
and whatever else you want. Yeah it would suck more at first than those teams you listed, but if we are screwed either way lets just go ahead and try to get in something that long term is going to make sense if we are just going to be forever locked out of the AQ.
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(11-04-2011 08:27 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  
(11-04-2011 08:12 AM)NoQuarter08 Wrote:  bondjons....you've got to think several yrs down the road at this point. We got screwed, move on, and you're right my optimism started fading quickly as soon as the BSU rumors started. That was a no brainer if they can get AF on board and then the 1st thing I thought of was BYU. We got F'd. It's not over but our chances in BE depend on a lot of stuff going right for us.

Moving forward is all we can do. Promoting teams doesn't mean we're moving backwards. It's just teams we can dominate like Boise did. CUSA needs to add say....3 or 5 teams to go to 12 or 14.

I'd rather not poach the Sunbelt to be honest. I'd also avoid the FIU/FAU schools because they are the ones that will bypass us because of their location.

I think UTEP should go to MWC then........
In no particular order I think we should add.....

1) ODU has quality basketball and they're close to ECU. TH has "pimped" them on the radio before and they're serious about building football.

2) LaTech is a rival to USM. They also close the gap a little with Memphis and Tulsa/Rice. The rest of the WAC should probably just merge w/ MWC.

3) GSU has A LOT of potential in Atlanta and they would further help solidify the southern core of the league.

4) Troy could help UAB a lot (develop rivalry) OR replace UAB if UAB drops football. It seems like the stadium rejection might be the death blow to that program.

5) WKU has quality basketball and they seem to be improving on the gridiron.

6) MTSU

App St / JMU should get a look too but I know many Pirates will flatline if we end up in a conference with App. IMO it will happen eventually. TH has hinted at this and said something along the lines of "small, southern, geographically tight universities are the future going forward."

You say you'd rather not poach the Suck-Belt, and then propose a majority of Suck-Belt candidates. Yes being in a league with those teams means we are moving backwards. If we are going way backwards either way I'd rather just hit the reset button and get in something that is going to make sense for the long term. Do the really regional league with teams like

App
JMU
ODU
GSU
UNCC
and whatever else you want. Yeah it would suck more at first than those teams you listed, but if we are screwed either way lets just go ahead and try to get in something that long term is going to make sense if we are just going to be forever locked out of the AQ.

Nothing spells excitement like this.
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(11-04-2011 08:39 AM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  Nothing spells excitement like this.

Got a better idea? Unless you believe this alliance is about to break the bank I don't see the point.
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(11-04-2011 08:41 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  [quote='Fo Shizzle' pid='7083009' dateline='1320413975']
Nothing spells excitement like this.
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(11-04-2011 08:45 AM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  
(11-04-2011 08:41 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  
(11-04-2011 08:39 AM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  Nothing spells excitement like this.

Got a better idea? Unless you believe this alliance is about to break the bank I don't see the point.

Breaking the bank or not...it it better than that nonsense. Just the thought of being forced to play in Boone makes me physically ill.

Makes me no less ill than going to Legion Field every other year, and in fact makes me feel much better than that. At least more than 15 people care about App football.
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(11-04-2011 08:47 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  
(11-04-2011 08:45 AM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  
(11-04-2011 08:41 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  
(11-04-2011 08:39 AM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  Nothing spells excitement like this.

Got a better idea? Unless you believe this alliance is about to break the bank I don't see the point.

Breaking the bank or not...it it better than that nonsense. Just the thought of being forced to play in Boone makes me physically ill.

Makes me no less ill than going to Legion Field every other year, and in fact makes me feel much better than that. At least more than 15 people care about App football.

Be careful what you wish for. I'm old enough to remember going to Boone with my dad. It was often a long drive home.

I support ASU moving their program up. I just would prefer that they pay dues like we did before we are forced to play in Boone again. Enabling them makes zero sense. We do not need another team in NC to have to recruit against.
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(11-04-2011 08:51 AM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  
(11-04-2011 08:47 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  
(11-04-2011 08:45 AM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  
(11-04-2011 08:41 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  
(11-04-2011 08:39 AM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  Nothing spells excitement like this.

Got a better idea? Unless you believe this alliance is about to break the bank I don't see the point.

Breaking the bank or not...it it better than that nonsense. Just the thought of being forced to play in Boone makes me physically ill.

Makes me no less ill than going to Legion Field every other year, and in fact makes me feel much better than that. At least more than 15 people care about App football.

Be careful what you wish for. I'm old enough to remember going to Boone with my dad. It was often a long drive home.

I support ASU moving their program up. I just would prefer that they pay dues like we did before we are forced to play in Boone again. Enabling them makes zero sense. We do not need another team in NC to have to recruit against.

I don't like the idea either, but at some point if we are never joining and AQ league we have to get in something that makes some sort of sense and has teams we could eventually actually have a rivalry with. It would make all of us sick at first to actually be in a league with those teams, but eventually long term it would be better than continuing to add Sun-Belt teams that we have no history with and don't care about one bit. At the very least all ECU fans have an opinion of App State football, which is better than most of our league right now.
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I have to disagree; if we were to choose to (or be forced to) join up with Appy and the other SoCon, CAA, A10 teams, I would rather just drop football. Call me bitter, whatever.

The CUSA/MWC Alliance will be, even after the defections, clearly the 7th best conference. There is no reason to add anyone other than MAYBE Utah State or possibly FIU/FAU. I would hope that if anything, UTEP can go out to the MWC and that we add La Tech to the CUSA.

Appy? Blagh.
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(11-04-2011 08:41 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  
(11-04-2011 08:39 AM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  Nothing spells excitement like this.

Got a better idea? Unless you believe this alliance is about to break the bank I don't see the point.

like I said...I'd RATHER not poach the Sunbelt. I agree with you honestly. I put Troy & MTSU in there to avoid the App St backlash. I added those Sunbelt schools b/c for some reason a lot of people think they're better than the local FCS schools.

If it were 100% my call I'd like to see CUSA (let UTEP go) just add LaTech, App, ODU, GSU & JMU. They're all large pubilc schools capable of growth. JMU actually has a very impressive looking stadium with plans to go to 40K.
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(11-04-2011 08:54 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  
(11-04-2011 08:51 AM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  
(11-04-2011 08:47 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  
(11-04-2011 08:45 AM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  
(11-04-2011 08:41 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  Got a better idea? Unless you believe this alliance is about to break the bank I don't see the point.

Breaking the bank or not...it it better than that nonsense. Just the thought of being forced to play in Boone makes me physically ill.

Makes me no less ill than going to Legion Field every other year, and in fact makes me feel much better than that. At least more than 15 people care about App football.

Be careful what you wish for. I'm old enough to remember going to Boone with my dad. It was often a long drive home.

I support ASU moving their program up. I just would prefer that they pay dues like we did before we are forced to play in Boone again. Enabling them makes zero sense. We do not need another team in NC to have to recruit against.

I don't like the idea either, but at some point if we are never joining and AQ league we have to get in something that makes some sort of sense and has teams we could eventually actually have a rivalry with. It would make all of us sick at first to actually be in a league with those teams, but eventually long term it would be better than continuing to add Sun-Belt teams that we have no history with and don't care about one bit. At the very least all ECU fans have an opinion of App State football, which is better than most of our league right now.

It would run most of the fans off. I know of few who want to drop down in football. The day ECU is in a league with Happy Appy is the day its time to hang it up in Greenville.
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(11-04-2011 08:54 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  
(11-04-2011 08:51 AM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  
(11-04-2011 08:47 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  
(11-04-2011 08:45 AM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  
(11-04-2011 08:41 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  Got a better idea? Unless you believe this alliance is about to break the bank I don't see the point.

Breaking the bank or not...it it better than that nonsense. Just the thought of being forced to play in Boone makes me physically ill.

Makes me no less ill than going to Legion Field every other year, and in fact makes me feel much better than that. At least more than 15 people care about App football.

Be careful what you wish for. I'm old enough to remember going to Boone with my dad. It was often a long drive home.

I support ASU moving their program up. I just would prefer that they pay dues like we did before we are forced to play in Boone again. Enabling them makes zero sense. We do not need another team in NC to have to recruit against.

I don't like the idea either, but at some point if we are never joining and AQ league we have to get in something that makes some sort of sense and has teams we could eventually actually have a rivalry with. It would make all of us sick at first to actually be in a league with those teams, but eventually long term it would be better than continuing to add Sun-Belt teams that we have no history with and don't care about one bit. At the very least all ECU fans have an opinion of App State football, which is better than most of our league right now.

I still am holding out hope that within the next couple of years the BE is going to need us. UofL, UConn, and RU have made it clear they want out. There is also still a good chance the BE goes BIG and will need more inventory. TH still says that he believes we will eventually land in the BE. I tend to agree. I think our BB program is going to turn some heads in the next couple of years and will help also. Until then...I want CUSA to say small and not bring in more dead weight to split the pie up with. This alliance thing is at least going to bring in some revenue with a Championship game....albeit a lame one.
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(11-04-2011 08:58 AM)Oh Really? Wrote:  
(11-04-2011 08:54 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  
(11-04-2011 08:51 AM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  
(11-04-2011 08:47 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  
(11-04-2011 08:45 AM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  Breaking the bank or not...it it better than that nonsense. Just the thought of being forced to play in Boone makes me physically ill.

Makes me no less ill than going to Legion Field every other year, and in fact makes me feel much better than that. At least more than 15 people care about App football.

Be careful what you wish for. I'm old enough to remember going to Boone with my dad. It was often a long drive home.

I support ASU moving their program up. I just would prefer that they pay dues like we did before we are forced to play in Boone again. Enabling them makes zero sense. We do not need another team in NC to have to recruit against.

I don't like the idea either, but at some point if we are never joining and AQ league we have to get in something that makes some sort of sense and has teams we could eventually actually have a rivalry with. It would make all of us sick at first to actually be in a league with those teams, but eventually long term it would be better than continuing to add Sun-Belt teams that we have no history with and don't care about one bit. At the very least all ECU fans have an opinion of App State football, which is better than most of our league right now.

It would run most of the fans off. I know of few who want to drop down in football. The day ECU is in a league with Happy Appy is the day its time to hang it up in Greenville.

OTM guess what no matter what we do at this point we have dropped down in football. We are going to be in a league that blows. The choices are at this point be in a league that blows nationwide, or one that blows just in our general area. That's up to you as to which you would prefer. The merger is fine it's whatever, if it's going to make more money than our current TV deal then it's the best we can do, but if it's not it's time to realistically decide what options are out there for East Carolina. Personally I'd prefer trying independent over the local conference idea, but I just don't think we could make it work.
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O...why in the hell would we drop football if in a league with App. you're in total denial if you dont think TH is pushing for something like we're talking about. It's MAJOR short term thinking to believe somehow the Sunbelt or what's left of this "alliance" makes any financial sense.
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RE: ECU: No We Have Not Given Up...Still Hoping for the Best
(11-04-2011 09:02 AM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  I still am holding out hope that within the next couple of years the BE is going to need us. UofL, UConn, and RU have made it clear they want out. There is also still a good chance the BE goes BIG and will need more inventory. TH still says that he believes we will eventually land in the BE. I tend to agree. I think our BB program is going to turn some heads in the next couple of years and will help also. Until then...I want CUSA to say small and not bring in more dead weight to split the pie up with. This alliance thing is at least going to bring in some revenue with a Championship game....albeit a lame one.

If the alliance can bring in more TV money than we are currently getting then it's the best available option. I'd prefer to move UTEP west, add one team in the east and stick with 18. As for the BE eventually needing us, I guess it's possible, but I don't really see it. Right now realistically we are 8th or 9th choice at best, and with adding a western division they have opened up a whole new list of candidates who would probably be more attractive to them than us.
11-04-2011 09:14 AM
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RE: ECU: No We Have Not Given Up...Still Hoping for the Best
(11-04-2011 09:09 AM)NoQuarter08 Wrote:  O...why in the hell would we drop football if in a league with App. you're in total denial if you dont think TH is pushing for something like we're talking about. It's MAJOR short term thinking to believe somehow the Sunbelt or what's left of this "alliance" makes any financial sense.

I have heard TH's comment about this. He is going to run up on a lot of opposition to this if he keeps pushing it.

We simply need to be patient. This expansion stuff is no where over yet. A lot is going to happen in the next several months. Honestly...I'm not sure the BE is going to get all of its intended targets at this point.
11-04-2011 09:19 AM
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RE: ECU: No We Have Not Given Up...Still Hoping for the Best
ECU's best hope would be for a playoff instead of the bowl system. A championship playoff would bring fairness to everyone regardless of what conference a schools is in.
11-04-2011 09:37 AM
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