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Lately I have seen many Pirates on here and even on Pirate Radio saying they would still accept a football only invitation to the Big East.

Why?

If we were going to put out our other sports and stick them in CAA... why would the Big East be where you would want our football team? If we're going that route wouldn't it require something a little better for our football team. If we're willing to go that route... and become a football only school why not go full on independent?

Is scheduling really that difficult? We're talking about 12 games.
Is foresaking the 'National Championship' that giant of a loss?
Are losing bowl-tie ins really that detrimental? - you mean to tell me we couldn't sell our fanbase to atleast the nearby bowl games?

Scheduling
Go ahead and consider it 10 games because you know we can line up games with ODU, Richmond, JMU etc. to fill up 2. Im not opposed to scheduling games at these schools even but under 3 for 1 circumstances. It's better terms than other schools are offering. We could ignore ever playing them away by offering larger ticket allotments where they keep the revenue. They'll all bring more fans than any CUSA school has EVER brought to Dowdy. I'm all for bringing in lodging/restaurant money from SC and VA residents for Greenville.
If you want to get politicians involved for actual results then UNC-CH and NCState (not to mention Duke and Wake [yes i know they are private]) need to be on board. Lets say we play 1 to 2 games a year against in state opponents all under 1 for 1 terms. You would likely have to include App State here too.
1 game against a florida school every year (UCF/USF/FIU/FAU)
1 game against a texas school every year (no shortage there toss in Big 12 teams here)
An annual game against USM (they shouldn't feel betrayed by us going indy)
There's 6.5 games
1 game against (VaTech/UVA/Navy/Maryland/WVU)
1 game against old conference mates (Memphis/UAB/Tulane/Marshall/Louisville/Cincy)
2 games against the SEC (*with Charlotte in play)
1 game against the Big 10 (*with DC in play)
1 game against the rest MAC/Sunbelt (Ohio, Toledo, NIU, WKU, MTSU, Troy, La Tech)
Thats 12.5 games for a start and once the SEC and Big Ten teams start appearing we would have multiple contracts working and fade out some of the lesser opponents i listed above.



*SEC games 1/2/1 (1 home, 2 away, 1 Charlotte)
(~74,000 capacity) Already scheduled with South Carolina in 2014
*Big 10 1/2/1 (1 home, 2 away, 1 DC)
Every other year we alternate between a DC game and a Charlotte Game.
I think DC would be receptive to the idea and i also think some Big Ten teams would be receptive to the idea. (~82,000 capacity)
September 6, 2010 - Boise State defeated Virginia Tech 33-30, before a crowd of 86,587. November 20, 2010 - Penn State defeated Indiana 41-24, before a crowd of 78,790

2014 Charlotte (USC)
2016 DC (Michigan State~)
2018 Charlotte (Tennessee~)
personally I like this rotation better annually but that might be over 03-wink ambitious

1/2/1 deals do put us on the road for these big games BUT its better exposure and these are the types of venues kids want to play away games at am i right... not empty stadiums.

We can get 6 home games people (so what if two are against 'lower' regional opponents). I personally think we can get 7 out of this which is where we need to be. 6 with a neutral site game year and 7 in the other years.

Opponents for the later part of the season: because that's when teams like to be in conference games...
USM could be set up near the end of the schedule (like a thanksgiving game)
Bye Week has to come somewhere
The in state matchup could be forced in as a later game too
And the Big Ten game could be later... sell them on no snow
and why wouldn't we be able to schedule the regional UDUs and Richmonds later in the year?

I call BS on us not being able to garner a television contract that could pay us what our share of CUSA was. We wouldn't get Big East Money... but we keep our dignity.
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RE: football only...
Don't expect Terry to be able to do all this... hire a "Football Scheduling Coordinator"
A big Name with lots of connections to work kind of as an ambassador/consultant
I think Dan Patrick would work but could settle for Garrard/Jeff Blake... a Bowden or even a Butch Davis/Leach 03-wink
11-03-2011 08:55 AM
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RE: football only...
of course we all know...
granted

that where we belong is in the SEC.

Wonder what they would reply to this question: "What do we need to do to gain entry?"

I'm pretty sure we'd all do whatever we needed to do if there was spot waiting. (Let me just reiterate that I would rather pursue that spot as an independent than as a member of some mismanaged/lopsided/football only member of the Big East)
11-03-2011 09:13 AM
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RE: football only...
I know I'm talking to myself but thats what this forum page is for 03-wink

All we need IMO is about 3-4yrs of independence. Its not like we have to be overwhelmed with the scheduling, bowl opportunities etc. This is short term.

(We already do but) Now we can prove we deserve better.

3-4 years of hard work to achieve a better home. I think looking at it this way we can become a bit of a media darling.
Establish a TV package that gets aired in SC,NC,VA,DC and Maryland. (We are getting a lot of undergrads from Maryland too! - see link)
http://chronicle.com/article/Interactive...#id=198464

I think going football only into a big east will mean no conference will take us for all sports later. Independent/CAA i think still allows us to move everything later.

This regional TV coverage/appeal will actually be helped by scheduling games against your ODUs and AppState during this span. Make no doubt about it I think we are SEC material and can deliver them a large new market and I am willing to schedule as many SEC teams as possible (even with lopsided contracts) to make sure they know who we are and what we're capable of.
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RE: football only...
ESPN - we've had a contract in the past (SEC and ACC broadcaster might be helpful with scheduling and an asset to perception/bias)
Fox - Has regional stations but those are pretty pathetic IMO
NBC - obviously they have an independent contact with ND whats one more (and WITN of course)
CBS - College Sports kinda sucks but... what about... The CW (Owned by CBS and Warner Bros)
- - what if... we really thought outside of the box and called up Screen Gems Studios/Wilmington and proposed Saturday Night Games and a Hard Knocks kinda show out of it.

I don't know TV - but I do know that surely we are capable of getting a deal better than what CUSA gets us now (especially after it gets gutted)
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RE: football only...
I actually like this idea though. Being Independant just wont mean we wont play for a conference championship. Not a big deal if we can be in the top 25 or be over .500 with this kind of schedule. Better then being bottom of C-USA for 2 years straight with JT.
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RE: football only...
If we're better than BYU, ND and Army... Then Ill make up a trophy for us to hoist
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We are better than a football only invite.
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You guys gave us a heck of a game i know how banged up your boys where and some serious talent had to sit out. I know your proud of you team and so am i it is a honor to battle on the field with a true quality opponent. i wish you guys all the best in the future. i can't get on your forums to post but if you would post this for me i would be greatful http://www.herdfans.com/12thman/index.php?topic=58296.0 thank you GO PIRATES GO HERD PEACE JIM
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The person posted his story on Hoistthecolours.net and it has been on the boneyard as well.
What a great story.
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RE: football only...
Ah yes - my manifesto thread...

I love having a deal done with BYU. I would definitely see this as a great opportunity to build a long term relationship.
I could see BYU as a candidate for my Washington DC Games...
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RE: football only...
SO with more news of this merger emerging...

I again just want to grab our collective balls (i mine and you yours) and go indy in football.
There is no reason to send our squad across the country for half of the season.

Not indy forever people - just indy long enough.
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(01-18-2012 07:48 AM)PiKappWags Wrote:  SO with more news of this merger emerging...

I again just want to grab our collective balls (i mine and you yours) and go indy in football.
There is no reason to send our squad across the country for half of the season.

Not indy forever people - just indy long enough.

Independence in this day and age means

no bowl guarantee.

no tv guarantee.

harder scheduling difficulties.

CUSA would probably drop us if pulled football out.

Going Indy is not a viable solution for ECU.
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