right off the bat, she's hit a homerun for the old MommaBear:

Talking about diversity initiatives that she's spearheaded at past Universities. Persons of color and women are typically the areas that you need to work on. Find ways to attract more students of color, and faculty and staff of color. "Looks like you don't have to worry about the female enrollment with over 60% being women, perhaps we need to look at ways to attract young men to our campus and educate YOUNG MEN" THERE WE GO!!!

(Kim speaking here: Sevearl years ago, I started the discussion about using football as an 'enrollment management' tool. Dr. Larrimore backed up this concept that I'd presented numerour times in his various presentations. In case you're not aware, many, many schools have used sports as a recruitment tool to bring young men to their campuses, football is the primary sport that schools have used. Students will come to your campus for the scholarship opportunity, at the FCS level it's 63 scholarships to be split for up to 85 football players. The key to this is a great "walk-on program" where students will come to your campus for a chance to continue their playing careers and perhaps an opportunity to earn a scholarship; it's called 'Pay-to-Play')

So far, she's stumbled on a couple of things with relation on her background in dealing with Medical Sciences, Graduate education programs, online courses and the regulatory issues that are facing online education programs. She's pretty limited because her current campus is not the size and scope of ETSU. They do many things well and their NCA accred's were outstanding.

(10-28-2011 09:02 AM)ReturnOfMommaBear Wrote:  So far, she's stumbled on a couple of things with relation on her background in dealing with Medical Sciences, Graduate education programs, online courses and the regulatory issues that are facing online education programs. She's pretty limited because her current campus is not the size and scope of ETSU. They do many things well and their NCA accred's were outstanding.

she is not ready for this job...

One of the knocks I've heard on her, prospectively, is her lack of experience with deep graduate programs. With ETSU increasingly in that arena, she obviously comes across weak there. Most evaluators knew that already, and were hoping/imagining that her other skills and talents could outweigh that negative.
That being said......she's really done well at all the places she's been, and might be up to this challenge. Might.
I think almost all closely involved see her as either a "compromise" candidate, or maybe even the "fall-back" candidate.

ok...

Football question in staff session..... Typing as she talks...
"In the Southern Conference, that's a tough conference and it's hard to win in that conference and now you are in the Atlantic Sun and you are winning championships and doing so well in that conference. Football is very expensive and trying to suit up 40 people and sometimes 70 people that is expensive. I understand taht 50% of the budget comes from University support and the other 50% is from fundraising and their efforts in Athletics. The students need to support the teams that are in place and the if football comes back it needs to be a campus decision, and I understand that students voted it down before, the door is not shut but it would be very challenging"


Like we've been saying for a long, long time.... and there you go... ASun is EASY and many of us have raised that point over and over

This lady could not advance tusculum. She would be a great candidate at milligan. ETSU is out of her league. There are 100 folks on campus now that would be a better choice. The entire Presidential Committee should be flogged for pushing her along this far....

Her first answer to the football question was the opposite of what I wanted to hear. The reference to the bogus student vote brought here way, way down in my book. She could still come back with better answers this afternoon but that initial answer sounded like the "we can't" people we have in charge right now. We do not need any more of that.

She sounds like the perfect fit to me.

She has no chance (I hope). The faculty will not like her answer on faculty pay, the administration should not like her because of online education and graduate studies, and the community (the ones who care) will not support her position on football.

If the TBR picks her, there will be huge issues and resignations

(10-28-2011 10:02 AM)slappywhite Wrote:  This lady could not advance tusculum. She would be a great candidate at milligan. ETSU is out of her league. There are 100 folks on campus now that would be a better choice. The entire Presidential Committee should be flogged for pushing her along this far....

Agreed. I really didn't get deep into the list of the initial candidates but if this was the best woman the search committee could bring to the table, the TBR needs to ask for a refund.

I really wanted to like her. The fact that she has executive experience should be a plus, but ETSU is just too far ahead of her in most of the areas she's had to discuss. She seems very warm and thoughtful. I'm sure she could be a nut-cracker (sorry guys, had to be said) but I just don't see her background being anything close to what ETSU needs.

What does being a woman have to do with it? Just curious....

Interesting thing just brought up by the SGA guy. He says that the smoking policy was not brought to the SGA or a student vote because it appeared that it would not be supported by a vote, so it was just put into place without student support and input. The smoking policy has been a hot topic with the staff and student groups.

I've not been around in a day-to-day capacity, is there a total ban?? The SGA kid says it's not a TBR mandate, it's just an ETSU rule.

(10-28-2011 11:18 AM)ReturnOfMommaBear Wrote:  Interesting thing just brought up by the SGA guy. He says that the smoking policy was not brought to the SGA or a student vote because it appeared that it would not be supported by a vote, so it was just put into place without student support and input. The smoking policy has been a hot topic with the staff and student groups.

I've not been around in a day-to-day capacity, is there a total ban?? The SGA kid says it's not a TBR mandate, it's just an ETSU rule.

I drive through campus almost daily and there are signs saying "ETSU is a tobacco free campus" but I have no idea what they really means and how it is enforced.

(10-28-2011 11:18 AM)ReturnOfMommaBear Wrote:  Interesting thing just brought up by the SGA guy. He says that the smoking policy was not brought to the SGA or a student vote because it appeared that it would not be supported by a vote, so it was just put into place without student support and input. The smoking policy has been a hot topic with the staff and student groups.

I've not been around in a day-to-day capacity, is there a total ban?? The SGA kid says it's not a TBR mandate, it's just an ETSU rule.

I think total ban except in private vehicles, but widely disobeyed.
My information, however, is that most students were, and are, in favor of it. The bigger question, obviously, is whether that's taking the rights/wishes of the majority too far, IF there's no reasonable harm. The problem became that the smokers were puffing away just outside the doors of buildings, and many students had to brave that gauntlet to get inside. Increasing rates of asthma in this generation has resulted many students with quite a hypersensitivity to cigarette smoke.

I don't care what internal polls say there is no way a majority of students support a ban on smoking.

(10-28-2011 11:10 AM)posterformerlyknownasthedoctor Wrote:  What does being a woman have to do with it? Just curious....

Given that ETSU and the TBR have an obligation to search out qualified candidates who are from underrepresented populations, and something like less than 200 women lead Universities in the US, that should have been a major area of strategic recruitment, in addition to people of color.

I'd just expected a more concerted effort, perhaps there was on the initial and for some reason they could not attract any higher caliber candidates from those highly sought-after diversity groups.

(10-28-2011 11:41 AM)ReturnOfMommaBear Wrote:  

(10-28-2011 11:10 AM)posterformerlyknownasthedoctor Wrote:  What does being a woman have to do with it? Just curious....

Given that ETSU and the TBR have an obligation to search out qualified candidates who are from underrepresented populations...

Really? I didn't know that. Are you sure that applies to university presidents? Maybe it does - I'm just asking.

(10-28-2011 11:37 AM)Goldfinger Wrote:  I don't care what internal polls say there is no way a majority of students support a ban on smoking.

I know A LOT of students. A LARGE lot. I think I know of only one who is against this policy. Some others think it's too broad, but only one is actually against it.

(10-28-2011 11:51 AM)posterformerlyknownasthedoctor Wrote:  

(10-28-2011 11:41 AM)ReturnOfMommaBear Wrote:  

(10-28-2011 11:10 AM)posterformerlyknownasthedoctor Wrote:  What does being a woman have to do with it? Just curious....

Given that ETSU and the TBR have an obligation to search out qualified candidates who are from underrepresented populations...

Really? I didn't know that. Are you sure that applies to university presidents? Maybe it does - I'm just asking.

I'd think that the "goals" of EEO and Affirmative Action would be at the top of the list for something as important as a President's search. The Presidental search criteria has the standard EEO/Affirmative Action statement:

The Tennessee Board of Regents is committed to building and sustaining an inclusive and diverse educational environment and encourages applications from interested candidates who can contribute to, promote, and enhance this effort. The Tennessee Board of Regents is an Equal Opportunity/Affirmative Action employer. The public record laws of the State require that search files be open for inspection to the public, including letters of nomination and applications. The Tennessee Open Meetings Act requires meetings of the Board of Regents to be open to the public.

Given the number of searches that I've been invovled with over the past 20ish years, I've filled out my fair share of EEO tracking reports to show that my efforts included advertising in publications geared toward certain target populations. I'd "HOPE" that the firm charged with doing this search for the TBR did their due diligence to recruit the most qualified candidates including a concerted effort to identify the protected categories.

Dr. Stanton does have a good track record on advancing women in leadership roles, I'd hope he would have encouraged a strategy that attracted women and minorities.

Well, I knew all about the Affirmative Action and EEO stuff, but didn't know it specifically 'targeted' women, and I certainly didn't know they were part of a "protected category". Certainly (as I would hope you know) I have nothing against women, and we need more of them in leadership roles, frankly (pun not intended in this case - lol). But I would have thought that for a position as important as this, they would have just narrowed down the search to the top 8 best candidates (then 3 or 4 or however many seemed appropriate), regardless of *anything* else. I would hope that the reason Paterson-Randles is in the top 3 has nothing to do with being a woman. If that's the case, then this train has gone off it's tracks. Not that Frank and Noland wouldn't have been the top two, anyway, but one never knows.......