I want to know how a zombie eventually dies. If it does not get "food," it should eventually starve to a final death, right? So, shouldn't it be a matter of time before the zombies get who they're going to get and eventually die off, to let the human race repopulate?

(10-19-2011 05:41 PM)BMarkey Wrote:  I want to know how a zombie eventually dies. If it does not get "food," it should eventually starve to a final death, right? So, shouldn't it be a matter of time before the zombies get who they're going to get and eventually die off, to let the human race repopulate?

You would think so. All creatures need sometype of water. If the Zombies couldn't get enough water to lubricate their joints then they would get stiff as a board. This is why when the zombies come. I'm headed toward southern New Mexico.

(10-19-2011 05:41 PM)BMarkey Wrote:  I want to know how a zombie eventually dies. If it does not get "food," it should eventually starve to a final death, right? So, shouldn't it be a matter of time before the zombies get who they're going to get and eventually die off, to let the human race repopulate?

BMarkey, if you like the series, I'd highly recommend the books World War Z and The Complete Zombie Survival Guide by Max Brooks. In those, he explains that the Zombies aren't really eating flesh for sustanance, but rather to spread the virus and that's just kind of what they do. He says that most zombies would eventually deteriorate in about 5 years. Sooner if they are in a more humid climate (like a jungle or swamp) or last longer if they were in a more temperate climate. The could be frozen and virtually "live" forever and be active as soon as they unthaw. In World War Z, there are millions of zombies at the bottom of the ocean, rivers, and lakes as well.

In Brook's books, only a small percentage of the zombies could perform more complicated tasks (like climbing a fence or walking around a pit). They would aimlessly and relentlessly go after their prey, especially if they were within hearing or sight range. He explains that zombies basically have the same senses and physical strength as humans, but they were enhanced due to lack of distractions. Basically, the zombie can squeeze or bite harder because his brain doesn't tell him his jaw/fingers are hurting. The senses were stronger because they were focused. Kind of like the way blind people are able to hear better because they aren't "distracted" by sight.

The earlier posts were correct though, the real meat to Brooks' books and series like the Walking Dead and Falling Skies isn't the monsters, it's how people react. Both to the problem and each other.

Check out those books though... especially World War Z. They are making a movie of that (starring Brad Pitt). Early reports say they butcher the plot, so def read the book. One of the better books I've ever read.

(10-19-2011 04:57 PM)Raider_ATO Wrote:  My biggest question was the people who died in their cars. How does that happen, zombie or not.

BTW: Ft. Benning is about 120 miles SW of Atlanta, mostly on I-85. On the AL/GA border and not too far from Auburn, AL, just South of Columbus. Dunno if they'll make it there any time soon. I'd have picked one of the 3 or 4 bases closer than Benning.

If you die without being bitten or otherwise infected you just die. The virus needs a living host to kill off and bring back. Lots of people die by gunfire, accidents, etc. and are just plain dead.

The "bicycle girl" in the first episode is probably an example of what happens to zombies as they decay and eventually "die" a second time. They would eventually all decay and go away as long as they don't manage to infect people and create younger zombies.

As for the church scene, I assume the three went there in the early stages when they were sick and infected to seek help from God and they just stayed. In the first season, Rick shot a fellow deputy zombie near the station and the guy's wife was on the same street they lived on. Unless they chase something or join a herd that is drawn to whatever is drawing them they tend to hang around one area.

That one woman zombie (season one) kept coming back to the house where her husband and son were holed up (until he blew her head off). I guess they have an imbedded memory of where they are supposed to be.

BTW, what ever happened to that guy and his kid? They were a pretty important part of the first couple of episodes and the sheriff's deputy keeps trying to talk to them on the hand-held radio. Can we assume they will be back? That actor was pretty good in that nuclear war series about the small Iowa (?) town a few years ago.

As for decaying, I would think these bodies would decay rapidly from having no hygiene, etc. They should last a few days at best. And what about those whose legs were gone (that girl dragging herself around the park the deputy finally shot), or those whose heads or bodies were destroyed? I guess they do what they can do as long as they have a brain.

Maybe of our soon-to-be-larger band of roving victims get as far as Columbus, they can check out Troy's Phenix City campus.

(10-19-2011 08:27 PM)BMarkey Wrote:  That one woman zombie (season one) kept coming back to the house where her husband and son were holed up (until he blew her head off). I guess they have an imbedded memory of where they are supposed to be.

BTW, what ever happened to that guy and his kid? They were a pretty important part of the first couple of episodes and the sheriff's deputy keeps trying to talk to them on the hand-held radio. Can we assume they will be back? That actor was pretty good in that nuclear war series about the small Iowa (?) town a few years ago.

As for decaying, I would think these bodies would decay rapidly from having no hygiene, etc. They should last a few days at best. And what about those whose legs were gone (that girl dragging herself around the park the deputy finally shot), or those whose heads or bodies were destroyed? I guess they do what they can do as long as they have a brain.

Maybe of our soon-to-be-larger band of roving victims get as far as Columbus, they can check out Troy's Phenix City campus.

The wife was wandering the street and when the boy saw her he knocked something over and she came towards the sound and tried coming in the door. I don't think we actually saw the wife get shot. He was up there intending to shoot her but couldn't do it as far as we know.

I assume the man and his son are alive and will meet them at some point. I did wonder if he was just going up there to put his wife out of her misery or to kill as many as he could before the sound drew them all in and killed him and the boy. "Opting out" as they said.

The girl with no legs is the "bicycle girl" I was talking about. SHe had very little strength left and was just about done before Rick took care of her. I think that is what happens to the walkers after a certain time.

(10-19-2011 06:29 PM)littlebittyschool Wrote:  

(10-19-2011 05:41 PM)BMarkey Wrote:  I want to know how a zombie eventually dies. If it does not get "food," it should eventually starve to a final death, right? So, shouldn't it be a matter of time before the zombies get who they're going to get and eventually die off, to let the human race repopulate?

BMarkey, if you like the series, I'd highly recommend the books World War Z and The Complete Zombie Survival Guide by Max Brooks. In those, he explains that the Zombies aren't really eating flesh for sustanance, but rather to spread the virus and that's just kind of what they do. He says that most zombies would eventually deteriorate in about 5 years. Sooner if they are in a more humid climate (like a jungle or swamp) or last longer if they were in a more temperate climate. The could be frozen and virtually "live" forever and be active as soon as they unthaw. In World War Z, there are millions of zombies at the bottom of the ocean, rivers, and lakes as well.

In Brook's books, only a small percentage of the zombies could perform more complicated tasks (like climbing a fence or walking around a pit). They would aimlessly and relentlessly go after their prey, especially if they were within hearing or sight range. He explains that zombies basically have the same senses and physical strength as humans, but they were enhanced due to lack of distractions. Basically, the zombie can squeeze or bite harder because his brain doesn't tell him his jaw/fingers are hurting. The senses were stronger because they were focused. Kind of like the way blind people are able to hear better because they aren't "distracted" by sight.

The earlier posts were correct though, the real meat to Brooks' books and series like the Walking Dead and Falling Skies isn't the monsters, it's how people react. Both to the problem and each other.

Check out those books though... especially World War Z. They are making a movie of that (starring Brad Pitt). Early reports say they butcher the plot, so def read the book. One of the better books I've ever read.

Brad Pitt is making a movie called World War Z. (Sorry I didn't read the end of your post when I posted this lol.)

(10-19-2011 08:27 PM)BMarkey Wrote:  That one woman zombie (season one) kept coming back to the house where her husband and son were holed up (until he blew her head off). I guess they have an imbedded memory of where they are supposed to be.

BTW, what ever happened to that guy and his kid? They were a pretty important part of the first couple of episodes and the sheriff's deputy keeps trying to talk to them on the hand-held radio. Can we assume they will be back? That actor was pretty good in that nuclear war series about the small Iowa (?) town a few years ago.

As for decaying, I would think these bodies would decay rapidly from having no hygiene, etc. They should last a few days at best. And what about those whose legs were gone (that girl dragging herself around the park the deputy finally shot), or those whose heads or bodies were destroyed? I guess they do what they can do as long as they have a brain.

Maybe of our soon-to-be-larger band of roving victims get as far as Columbus, they can check out Troy's Phenix City campus.

We have a campus at Columbus/Ft. Benning as well.

(10-19-2011 07:26 PM)Crump1 Wrote:  

(10-19-2011 04:57 PM)Raider_ATO Wrote:  My biggest question was the people who died in their cars. How does that happen, zombie or not.

If you die without being bitten or otherwise infected you just die. The virus needs a living host to kill off and bring back. Lots of people die by gunfire, accidents, etc. and are just plain dead.

Just didn't look like there was a traumatic cause of death for those people. And I certainly wouldn't let myself waste away in a car, clutching my weapons.

(10-19-2011 08:27 PM)BMarkey Wrote:  BTW, what ever happened to that guy and his kid? They were a pretty important part of the first couple of episodes and the sheriff's deputy keeps trying to talk to them on the hand-held radio. Can we assume they will be back?

I think they are just a way for the producers to compress the plot now. Have the Rick Grimes police officer character get on the radio every so often to tell the guy and his kid what has been going on/where they are/what they are worried about/and where they are going to next, and it is sort of like giving you cliff notes of a whole lot of slow paced plot. Sort of like the wall of words at the beginning of each Star Wars movie.

(10-20-2011 05:32 PM)72Tiger Wrote:  

(10-19-2011 08:27 PM)BMarkey Wrote:  BTW, what ever happened to that guy and his kid? They were a pretty important part of the first couple of episodes and the sheriff's deputy keeps trying to talk to them on the hand-held radio. Can we assume they will be back?

I think they are just a way for the producers to compress the plot now. Have the Rick Grimes police officer character get on the radio every so often to tell the guy and his kid what has been going on/where they are/what they are worried about/and where they are going to next, and it is sort of like giving you cliff notes of a whole lot of slow paced plot. Sort of like the wall of words at the beginning of each Star Wars movie.

I think you are right. It's a way for him to express things about their condition out loud without looking like he's lost his mind.

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less than an hour

Don't want to give away anything, I'm sure there are some who haven't watched yet, I enjoyed the episode but wish the story had progressed a bit more. I guess we'll have to get used to the slower pace with double the episodes this season.

held my son during the episode, he made a sound when I began squeezing him too tight.

I liked episode 2. You can't have complete carnage every episode. That's what makes this different from horror movies. I watched the 6 webisodes today and they give you a good idea of how it was when the outbreak first occurred and you find out how "bicycle" girl came to be.

They have to come across new people every so often or we will run out of characters. I like the contrast we see between the outbreak in the city versus the rural areas. Living in a rural area myself, I can say without doubt that it would pay off during the outbreak. There's a better chance to hide out or to make a run for it if you live in the country.

Anybody else think Andrea was ready to be killed when she was attacked? Daryl is starting to be the hero of the show.

BTW, anybody else started thinking about the wisdom of having an emergency survival kit ready in case you need to flee at a moment's notice after watching this show? What would you pack? Where would you go?

(10-24-2011 01:08 PM)Crump1 Wrote:  BTW, anybody else started thinking about the wisdom of having an emergency survival kit ready in case you need to flee at a moment's notice after watching this show? What would you pack? Where would you go?

I would pack bottled water, canned food, a full gas can, and an AK-47 with as much ammunition as I could carry. I'd head for my family's land in rural Alabama.

(10-24-2011 01:16 PM)Burn the Horse Wrote:  

(10-24-2011 01:08 PM)Crump1 Wrote:  BTW, anybody else started thinking about the wisdom of having an emergency survival kit ready in case you need to flee at a moment's notice after watching this show? What would you pack? Where would you go?

I would pack bottled water, canned food, a full gas can, and an AK-47 with as much ammunition as I could carry. I'd head for my family's land in rural Alabama.

I recommend Forrest Griffin's "Be Ready When the Sh*t Goes Down" for all your survival needs. Forrest is a Georgia native and enlisted many survival experts in the research for this book. It covers preparedness for all types of apocalyptic situations, from zombies to Ragnarok. The only criticism I have is when building your perfect vehicle for the apocalypse, make sure to have two, one for spare parts.

I actually thought about buying MRE's on Ebay. You can buy a case for less than $50.00. The funny thing about the show is. It's not the undead that bother me. It's the not being prepared for the big whatever.

canned food
bottled water
AK-47/ammo
vehicle/gasoline
gold and/or silver
dog
seeds

those are the most helpful things in a SHTF scenario, whether it's zombies or the Ruskies invading. you need supplies and a means to defend yourself until you can get to a secluded spot and set up some sort of camp.

I agree about being ready for when the shtf regardless.

MREs
Guns and ammo
Water purifier
First Aid Kit
Knife
Flashlights and batteries
Rope
Socks

If I have time I am grabbing a tent and some extra clothes and blankets but getting the emergency kit and the family come first. I live in farm country do if possible I swipe a fuel tank to pull to my destination. Get deep in the woods and hunker down until things calm down.

If it's zombies I am finding some blunt weapons to bring along and doing my best to get to an island somewhere.