In 40 years you can count Boise State's losing seasons on 1 hand. They moved to the WAC and were so dominate that they never lost a home game to a conference foe.
Boise State could of won the Big East and ACC the last 3 or 4 years and they are doing that with average football facilities and recruiting classes that are around 70th in the country every year.
What do you think will happen when the stadium is 53,000 in 2 years and the new sports facilities are done around the same time? What happens if Pete does not leave or if he does the CO or DC or even Wilcox or Peace comes back to Boise and takes over.....and runs the same system we have ran for the last 17 years? The answer? Nothing. The train is gonna keep moving forward. Coach Pete being conservative and not willing to run it up and play starters past the first drive of the third quarter is actually holding Boise back. It certainly will hurt Kellen in the record books and coach Pete took the blame for the Nevada loss by not letting the defense play more.
Boise is not going anywhere. They may have a down year but they won't pull an Ole Miss.

Did anyone asks, what happens when UC sucks in 10-15 years?

(10-14-2011 09:43 AM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  

(10-14-2011 09:23 AM)SublimeKnight Wrote:  If the BE is around in 10-15 years to see Boise fail... they've served their role.

Spot on.

This is about survival, people (and when I say survival, I mean AQ status survival). What matters is if Boise State is still playing well for the next 2 years years, which I would wager is going to be the case. The Big East can then re-secure its AQ status for the long-term at that point and then the up-and-down fluctuations of Boise State or any other school aren't going to be as critical.

Besides, the "What happens when the coach leaves?" position is a straw man argument. EVERY program, whether it's an elite king like Notre Dame or the lowest level non-AQ school, is a bad coaching hire away from going through the doldrums.

So, if it's a choice between a school that has actually proven to be successful for the past decade versus "potential", I'll take the proven commodity every single time. TCU, Utah and Boise State showed what they could do WITHOUT AQ status, so they should be given much more of the benefit of the doubt versus non-AQ schools that haven't compiled similar records of excellence.

It happens to every program. Oklahoma sucked under John Blake, Texas sucked under John Mackovic, LSU had 8 of 11 losing seasons under Mike Archer, Curley Hallman and Gerry DiNardo, etc....


Boise is on a good run. That may change. That may not.

The Big East doesn't care now and certainly is not worried about 10-15 years down the road.

(10-14-2011 10:05 AM)4x4hokies Wrote:  

(10-14-2011 09:45 AM)MichaelSavage Wrote:  

(10-14-2011 09:38 AM)firmbizzle Wrote:  

(10-14-2011 08:52 AM)Chappy Wrote:  What happens to the ACC when they add Miami and the U starts sucking?

Nothing.

Miami isn't 2000 miles away from their closest conference mates. Miami is in DMA of 7 million people. Miami is in the hottest recruiting area in the nation.

Let's see remember when Tulane was good? How about Marshall? NIU? Houston? Kicking Boise out will not be easy when they start to suck. They are 1 probation or bad hire from the previous mentions schools.

Boise is a bigger national brand than any of those schools. They're a proven TV draw. None of those programs have had a run like Boise has the past few years. The reward outweighs the risk with Boise State. One flight to Idaho every couple of years isn't the end of the world.

The funny thing about bandwagon fans is they'll jump off as quickly as they jumped on.

This holds true with Boise State's competitors for a Big East spot as well.

I think that adding Boise, even if down the road they start to lose, helps in two ways. It may help extend the BCS down the road. Second, I think they bring more of a national appeal to tv audiences. Which do you think would be watched more, WVU, UC, Louisville, UConn, Rutgers, USF or Boise. Of course this is based on whether the BE even survives after this year.

(10-14-2011 09:52 AM)MichaelSavage Wrote:  Does a trip to Boise every 2 or 4 years really bother people that much? No wonder this conference is dog ****.

Yes...I don't understand that mentality. There is little downside to BSU.

(10-14-2011 09:57 AM)SmallVoice Wrote:  

(10-14-2011 09:52 AM)MichaelSavage Wrote:  Does a trip to Boise every 2 or 4 years really bother people that much? No wonder this conference is dog ****.

If they're an undefeated team, of course not. But a Boise with a losing record is going to be a huge drain on an eastern conference. Adding them is probably the most short-sighted move in the history of college sports.

They should only be added if the conference goes to 16 teams and intentionally decides to be a national conference, getting all 3 service academies, as well as BYU & San Diego State. Then Boise could fit in.

SDSU has had one winning season in the last decade. And they are yet another team that plays in an NFL stadium that is 2/3 empty on game day. I am sorry.....but Big East fans really do not seem to know nothing about football out west.
Boise will have a stadium that seats 53,000 and they are a bigger draw then Louisville. So how does the extra 2 hours on a plane hurt you at all?

(10-14-2011 10:17 AM)MichaelSavage Wrote:  

(10-14-2011 10:05 AM)4x4hokies Wrote:  

(10-14-2011 09:45 AM)MichaelSavage Wrote:  

(10-14-2011 09:38 AM)firmbizzle Wrote:  

(10-14-2011 08:52 AM)Chappy Wrote:  What happens to the ACC when they add Miami and the U starts sucking?

Nothing.

Miami isn't 2000 miles away from their closest conference mates. Miami is in DMA of 7 million people. Miami is in the hottest recruiting area in the nation.

Let's see remember when Tulane was good? How about Marshall? NIU? Houston? Kicking Boise out will not be easy when they start to suck. They are 1 probation or bad hire from the previous mentions schools.

Boise is a bigger national brand than any of those schools. They're a proven TV draw. None of those programs have had a run like Boise has the past few years. The reward outweighs the risk with Boise State. One flight to Idaho every couple of years isn't the end of the world.

The funny thing about bandwagon fans is they'll jump off as quickly as they jumped on.

This holds true with Boise State's competitors for a Big East spot as well.

ECU is 2-9 in our last 11 games, and hasn't had a game under 49k in that stretch. It's easy to have fans when your winning, the judge is when you suck how many people are willing to stick with you. Every team at some point in time is going to suck. The willingness of your fans to stick around during the bad times ensures that you will still be strong when you come out of it.

(10-14-2011 09:56 AM)MichaelSavage Wrote:  As Frank says, it's about survival. Boise is the only school out there that will give the BE any type of football credibility.

Yes. I would add AFA to that also. I think BSU is waiting to see what will happen with AFA. If they come in...so will BSU and they will play yearly.

(10-14-2011 10:05 AM)4x4hokies Wrote:  

(10-14-2011 09:45 AM)MichaelSavage Wrote:  

(10-14-2011 09:38 AM)firmbizzle Wrote:  

(10-14-2011 08:52 AM)Chappy Wrote:  What happens to the ACC when they add Miami and the U starts sucking?

Nothing.

Miami isn't 2000 miles away from their closest conference mates. Miami is in DMA of 7 million people. Miami is in the hottest recruiting area in the nation.

Let's see remember when Tulane was good? How about Marshall? NIU? Houston? Kicking Boise out will not be easy when they start to suck. They are 1 probation or bad hire from the previous mentions schools.

Boise is a bigger national brand than any of those schools. They're a proven TV draw. None of those programs have had a run like Boise has the past few years. The reward outweighs the risk with Boise State. One flight to Idaho every couple of years isn't the end of the world.

The funny thing about bandwagon fans is they'll jump off as quickly as they jumped on.

Still upset about last year?

(10-14-2011 10:21 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(10-14-2011 10:17 AM)MichaelSavage Wrote:  

(10-14-2011 10:05 AM)4x4hokies Wrote:  

(10-14-2011 09:45 AM)MichaelSavage Wrote:  

(10-14-2011 09:38 AM)firmbizzle Wrote:  Miami isn't 2000 miles away from their closest conference mates. Miami is in DMA of 7 million people. Miami is in the hottest recruiting area in the nation.

Let's see remember when Tulane was good? How about Marshall? NIU? Houston? Kicking Boise out will not be easy when they start to suck. They are 1 probation or bad hire from the previous mentions schools.

Boise is a bigger national brand than any of those schools. They're a proven TV draw. None of those programs have had a run like Boise has the past few years. The reward outweighs the risk with Boise State. One flight to Idaho every couple of years isn't the end of the world.

The funny thing about bandwagon fans is they'll jump off as quickly as they jumped on.

This holds true with Boise State's competitors for a Big East spot as well.

ECU is 2-9 in our last 11 games, and hasn't had a game under 49k in that stretch. It's easy to have fans when your winning, the judge is when you suck how many people are willing to stick with you. Every team at some point in time is going to suck. The willingness of your fans to stick around during the bad times ensures that you will still be strong when you come out of it.

I don't think that if we were 9-2 in this same stretch that it would make one iota of difference. This is about TV markets. If we get in...it will be because the BE ran out of big market candidates or the BB side wants us for FB only. It won't be because of fan support or record.

(10-14-2011 10:25 AM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(10-14-2011 10:21 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(10-14-2011 10:17 AM)MichaelSavage Wrote:  

(10-14-2011 10:05 AM)4x4hokies Wrote:  

(10-14-2011 09:45 AM)MichaelSavage Wrote:  Boise is a bigger national brand than any of those schools. They're a proven TV draw. None of those programs have had a run like Boise has the past few years. The reward outweighs the risk with Boise State. One flight to Idaho every couple of years isn't the end of the world.

The funny thing about bandwagon fans is they'll jump off as quickly as they jumped on.

This holds true with Boise State's competitors for a Big East spot as well.

ECU is 2-9 in our last 11 games, and hasn't had a game under 49k in that stretch. It's easy to have fans when your winning, the judge is when you suck how many people are willing to stick with you. Every team at some point in time is going to suck. The willingness of your fans to stick around during the bad times ensures that you will still be strong when you come out of it.

I don't think that if we were 9-2 in this same stretch that it would make one iota of difference. This is about TV markets. If we get in...it will be because the BE ran out of big market candidates or the BB side wants us for FB only. It won't be because of fan support or record.

I was really more referring to the fact that Savage said that all the schools trying to get in have fans that would just jump off completely if they were bad. I don't believe we fall in that group. Not saying it has anything to do with whether we get in the BE or not.

(10-14-2011 10:32 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(10-14-2011 10:25 AM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(10-14-2011 10:21 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(10-14-2011 10:17 AM)MichaelSavage Wrote:  

(10-14-2011 10:05 AM)4x4hokies Wrote:  The funny thing about bandwagon fans is they'll jump off as quickly as they jumped on.

This holds true with Boise State's competitors for a Big East spot as well.

ECU is 2-9 in our last 11 games, and hasn't had a game under 49k in that stretch. It's easy to have fans when your winning, the judge is when you suck how many people are willing to stick with you. Every team at some point in time is going to suck. The willingness of your fans to stick around during the bad times ensures that you will still be strong when you come out of it.

I don't think that if we were 9-2 in this same stretch that it would make one iota of difference. This is about TV markets. If we get in...it will be because the BE ran out of big market candidates or the BB side wants us for FB only. It won't be because of fan support or record.

I was really more referring to the fact that Savage said that all the schools trying to get in have fans that would just jump off completely if they were bad. I don't believe we fall in that group. Not saying it has anything to do with whether we get in the BE or not.

Oh..yes. I agree. we already proven that. The "Just Temporary" years showed we can still put asses in the seats with a losing program. I hope we do not have to prove it again.

(10-14-2011 10:35 AM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(10-14-2011 10:32 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(10-14-2011 10:25 AM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(10-14-2011 10:21 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(10-14-2011 10:17 AM)MichaelSavage Wrote:  This holds true with Boise State's competitors for a Big East spot as well.

ECU is 2-9 in our last 11 games, and hasn't had a game under 49k in that stretch. It's easy to have fans when your winning, the judge is when you suck how many people are willing to stick with you. Every team at some point in time is going to suck. The willingness of your fans to stick around during the bad times ensures that you will still be strong when you come out of it.

I don't think that if we were 9-2 in this same stretch that it would make one iota of difference. This is about TV markets. If we get in...it will be because the BE ran out of big market candidates or the BB side wants us for FB only. It won't be because of fan support or record.

I was really more referring to the fact that Savage said that all the schools trying to get in have fans that would just jump off completely if they were bad. I don't believe we fall in that group. Not saying it has anything to do with whether we get in the BE or not.

Oh..yes. I agree. we already proven that. The "Just Temporary" years showed we can still put asses in the seats with a losing program. I hope we do not have to prove it again.

You find out what fans are made up of during bad times. It's real easy to be a fan when a team is good. If you have a fanbase that will show up when your team sucks that's when you know you have something special. I don't think there is a group anywhere that impresses me more about this than USC East. Up until very recently they sucked for near eternity. They sold out every ticket for an 0-11 season in the 90's. That's devotion. That's the type of fanbase I want to be in a conference with. Sadly there aren't any with that level of loyalty in C-USA, and really outside of WVU isn't one in the BE either.

Someone else said it. It's an extra two or three hour plane ride over the existing flights being taken currently. So what, it is a non factor once a year or so. I'd see the point if we were talking an all sports invite, though.

(10-14-2011 10:23 AM)War Torn Ruston Wrote:  

(10-14-2011 10:05 AM)4x4hokies Wrote:  

(10-14-2011 09:45 AM)MichaelSavage Wrote:  

(10-14-2011 09:38 AM)firmbizzle Wrote:  

(10-14-2011 08:52 AM)Chappy Wrote:  What happens to the ACC when they add Miami and the U starts sucking?

Nothing.

Miami isn't 2000 miles away from their closest conference mates. Miami is in DMA of 7 million people. Miami is in the hottest recruiting area in the nation.

Let's see remember when Tulane was good? How about Marshall? NIU? Houston? Kicking Boise out will not be easy when they start to suck. They are 1 probation or bad hire from the previous mentions schools.

Boise is a bigger national brand than any of those schools. They're a proven TV draw. None of those programs have had a run like Boise has the past few years. The reward outweighs the risk with Boise State. One flight to Idaho every couple of years isn't the end of the world.

The funny thing about bandwagon fans is they'll jump off as quickly as they jumped on.

Still upset about last year?

Hahaha...you are hilarious. I couldn't care less about your school though. We lose to someone every year. I'm used to it. You'll get used to it when you aren't playing against bottom half recruiting classes every week too.

Wait until you aren't the non-AQ's savior anymore. When you are just another team in the 'evil cartel'. You'll lose a lot of sympathy fans right off. Then a few losses will drive away the t-shirt fans.

(10-14-2011 10:51 AM)4x4hokies Wrote:  

(10-14-2011 10:23 AM)War Torn Ruston Wrote:  

(10-14-2011 10:05 AM)4x4hokies Wrote:  

(10-14-2011 09:45 AM)MichaelSavage Wrote:  

(10-14-2011 09:38 AM)firmbizzle Wrote:  Miami isn't 2000 miles away from their closest conference mates. Miami is in DMA of 7 million people. Miami is in the hottest recruiting area in the nation.

Let's see remember when Tulane was good? How about Marshall? NIU? Houston? Kicking Boise out will not be easy when they start to suck. They are 1 probation or bad hire from the previous mentions schools.

Boise is a bigger national brand than any of those schools. They're a proven TV draw. None of those programs have had a run like Boise has the past few years. The reward outweighs the risk with Boise State. One flight to Idaho every couple of years isn't the end of the world.

The funny thing about bandwagon fans is they'll jump off as quickly as they jumped on.

Still upset about last year?

Hahaha...you are hilarious. I couldn't care less about your school though. We lose to someone every year. I'm used to it. You'll get used to it when you aren't playing against bottom half recruiting classes every week too.

Wait until you aren't the non-AQ's savior anymore. When you are just another team in the 'evil cartel'. You'll lose a lot of sympathy fans right off. Then a few losses will drive away the t-shirt fans.

I am sure you are right but I am not one of them.

(10-14-2011 10:05 AM)4x4hokies Wrote:  The funny thing about bandwagon fans is they'll jump off as quickly as they jumped on.

I don't think the BE is in a position to be picky about the type of fans.

(10-14-2011 09:04 AM)CougarRed Wrote:  Conference USA has dealt with a similar issue.

Marshall was a mini-Boise State from 1997-2002, averaging 11 wins a year.

Then they lost their coach.

Since Marshall started play in C-USA in 2005, they've made exactly one bowl game. Now C-USA is stuck with a team in the middle of nowhere that brings nothing to the league.

Could the same thing happen again with Boise and the Big East? Sure could.

Marshall during the 90's is an excellent example of how thiongs can change. During the 80's, Miami had a run which may never be equaled. During the 70's Bill Yeomen's Houston Cougars were a regular Top 20 team. And get this: during the 60's, Memphis was the 9th winningest program in the nation.

(10-14-2011 10:16 AM)FastCat Wrote:  Did anyone asks, what happens when UC sucks in 10-15 years?

Cincy is within the conference footprint, is an easy drive from at least 2 BE football schools, and fits the profile in just about every way. Boise fits none of those criteria.