Krocker Krapp...how do you feel about the idea of Temple making a commitment to football before we allow them back in? Let them put some cash into fascilitys etc first and then we can reevaluate where they are. It seems to me that we would only make things worse for ourselves if we readmit the leach of a football program that plagued us for the last decade.


Jackson

Jackson, of course I feel that Temple has to make a demonstrated commitment to football before rejoining. Hopefully the move to the MAC can help them do that. If they can get to 6-6 by 2008 or 2009, I think they might be in good shape. They could go winless this year, however. After that, they can start over with a new coach in 2006. That gives him roughly three or four years to do it.

As for facilities, they are playing in one of the newest and best NFL stadiums in the country. That's a fine start. They also have built new practice facilities in the last few years if I'm not mistaken. Their biggest problems have been incompetent administrations and bad coaches, which led to awful teams. Maybe they have finally seen the light after getting kicked out. Big East fans can only hope so.

L-yes Wrote:

HiddenDragon Wrote:The BE would be fine at 9 teams.  You don't need a championship game.  You need an identity in the North East footprint.  The Pac 10 does well without 12 teams.  The MWC seems to be fine as well as the Big 10+1. 

Also not having a championship game eliminates the risk of having your best team lose in a meaningless game.

Do you want to leave USF on an island by themselves?  Adding UCF makes perfect sense in that regards.  ECU makes sense because you would have a BE team in the middle of ACC territory.  I'm sure the ACC would be thrilled about that.  Marshall makes sense.  But you don't need all three.

Damn straigt the ACC would be thrilled. They'd have a Big East punching bag in their back yard as a home coming game. What better way to prove that the ACC is the better conference than by having its four Carolina schools regularly slaughter Directional U of the Big East? And I'm just talking about football, I can't imagine how they'd line up during basketball season. 50 point blowouts would be the norm.

You can kiss my a$$ L-yes! If you really think ECU football would be a punching bag to the NC ACC schools them you are a bigger, arrogant idiot than I thought.
In basketball, there are very few teams in the country that wouldn't be punching bags to any of those four schools.
I personally don't care if you don't want ECU as a candidate for the BIG EAST if it ever expands but don't go insulting my school! :mad:

I prefer to think of us as being an Appalachian range conference plus USF. :laugh:

Purplehook Wrote:

L-yes Wrote:

HiddenDragon Wrote:The BE would be fine at 9 teams.  You don't need a championship game.  You need an identity in the North East footprint.  The Pac 10 does well without 12 teams.  The MWC seems to be fine as well as the Big 10+1. 

Also not having a championship game eliminates the risk of having your best team lose in a meaningless game.

Do you want to leave USF on an island by themselves?  Adding UCF makes perfect sense in that regards.  ECU makes sense because you would have a BE team in the middle of ACC territory.  I'm sure the ACC would be thrilled about that.  Marshall makes sense.  But you don't need all three.

Damn straigt the ACC would be thrilled. They'd have a Big East punching bag in their back yard as a home coming game. What better way to prove that the ACC is the better conference than by having its four Carolina schools regularly slaughter Directional U of the Big East? And I'm just talking about football, I can't imagine how they'd line up during basketball season. 50 point blowouts would be the norm.

You can kiss my a$$ L-yes! If you really think ECU football would be a punching bag to the NC ACC schools them you are a bigger, arrogant idiot than I thought.
In basketball, there are very few teams in the country that wouldn't be punching bags to any of those four schools.
I personally don't care if you don't want ECU as a candidate for the BIG EAST if it ever expands but don't go insulting my school! :mad:

This is exactly what we need, right?


<a href='http://www.sptimes.com/2002/09/01/Sports/Duke_tops_ECU__ends_l.shtml' target='_blank'>Duke tops ECU, ends losing streak at 23</a>

L-yes Wrote:

Purplehook Wrote:

L-yes Wrote:

HiddenDragon Wrote:The BE would be fine at 9 teams.&nbsp; You don't need a championship game.&nbsp; You need an identity in the North East footprint.&nbsp; The Pac 10 does well without 12 teams.&nbsp; The MWC seems to be fine as well as the Big 10+1.&nbsp;

Also not having a championship game eliminates the risk of having your best team lose in a meaningless game.

Do you want to leave USF on an island by themselves?&nbsp; Adding UCF makes perfect sense in that regards.&nbsp; ECU makes sense because you would have a BE team in the middle of ACC territory.&nbsp; I'm sure the ACC would be thrilled about that.&nbsp; Marshall makes sense.&nbsp; But you don't need all three.

Damn straigt the ACC would be thrilled. They'd have a Big East punching bag in their back yard as a home coming game. What better way to prove that the ACC is the better conference than by having its four Carolina schools regularly slaughter Directional U of the Big East? And I'm just talking about football, I can't imagine how they'd line up during basketball season. 50 point blowouts would be the norm.

You can kiss my a$$ L-yes! If you really think ECU football would be a punching bag to the NC ACC schools them you are a bigger, arrogant idiot than I thought.
In basketball, there are very few teams in the country that wouldn't be punching bags to any of those four schools.
I personally don't care if you don't want ECU as a candidate for the BIG EAST if it ever expands but don't go insulting my school! :mad:

This is exactly what we need, right?


<a href='http://www.sptimes.com/2002/09/01/Sports/Duke_tops_ECU__ends_l.shtml' target='_blank'>Duke tops ECU, ends losing streak at 23</a>

Just wait until the new "Miami" of the Big East doesn't meet expectations.

P.S. for the record also, You lost to army not too long ago.

Enjoy CDOA!

Purplehook Wrote:

L-yes Wrote:

Purplehook Wrote:

L-yes Wrote:

HiddenDragon Wrote:The BE would be fine at 9 teams.  You don't need a championship game.  You need an identity in the North East footprint.  The Pac 10 does well without 12 teams.  The MWC seems to be fine as well as the Big 10+1. 

Also not having a championship game eliminates the risk of having your best team lose in a meaningless game.

Do you want to leave USF on an island by themselves?  Adding UCF makes perfect sense in that regards.  ECU makes sense because you would have a BE team in the middle of ACC territory.  I'm sure the ACC would be thrilled about that.  Marshall makes sense.  But you don't need all three.

Damn straigt the ACC would be thrilled. They'd have a Big East punching bag in their back yard as a home coming game. What better way to prove that the ACC is the better conference than by having its four Carolina schools regularly slaughter Directional U of the Big East? And I'm just talking about football, I can't imagine how they'd line up during basketball season. 50 point blowouts would be the norm.

You can kiss my a$$ L-yes! If you really think ECU football would be a punching bag to the NC ACC schools them you are a bigger, arrogant idiot than I thought.
In basketball, there are very few teams in the country that wouldn't be punching bags to any of those four schools.
I personally don't care if you don't want ECU as a candidate for the BIG EAST if it ever expands but don't go insulting my school! :mad:

This is exactly what we need, right?


<a href='http://www.sptimes.com/2002/09/01/Sports/Duke_tops_ECU__ends_l.shtml' target='_blank'>Duke tops ECU, ends losing streak at 23</a>

Just wait until the new "Miami" of the Big East doesn't meet expectations.

P.S. for the record also, You lost to army not too long ago.

6 years ago and we went 7-5 that season. A dissapointment yes though they werent snapping a 3-4 year long losing streak against us, they arent an in-state rival and they aren't members of the ACC.

L-yes Wrote:

HiddenDragon Wrote:The BE would be fine at 9 teams.  You don't need a championship game.  You need an identity in the North East footprint.  The Pac 10 does well without 12 teams.  The MWC seems to be fine as well as the Big 10+1. 

Also not having a championship game eliminates the risk of having your best team lose in a meaningless game.

Do you want to leave USF on an island by themselves?  Adding UCF makes perfect sense in that regards.  ECU makes sense because you would have a BE team in the middle of ACC territory.  I'm sure the ACC would be thrilled about that.  Marshall makes sense.  But you don't need all three.

Damn straigt the ACC would be thrilled. They'd have a Big East punching bag in their back yard as a home coming game. What better way to prove that the ACC is the better conference than by having its four Carolina schools regularly slaughter Directional U of the Big East? And I'm just talking about football, I can't imagine how they'd line up during basketball season. 50 point blowouts would be the norm.

I am no ECU fan, but your argument just doesn't hold water. ECU has always had to deal with the four ACC schools in their backyard, yet for a long time they had the best football program in the state. However, the inequities of the BCS system that took hold in the mid 1990s were too much to overcome and hence you have a once stagnant Wake Forest program finally taking hold at the expense of ECU. There is no reason they can't thrive again if given the opportunity.

If you give ECU a BCS platform to from which to recruit from and combine that with their tradition and fan support, they would be a very good addition to Big East football. As far as basketball, who cares.....there are enough hoops powerhouses in the BE. The Pirates would improve and within a generation who says they can't be as good as their ACC counterparts.

Conferences are not built overnight....that is why USF was added and many people think programs like UL have the POTENTIAL to grow into a Miami type of school. Oh oh there is that 'potential' word again......


Oh BTW....once again I am not a ECU fan, and to be honest their fan-base were the first to look down their noses on USF when were were admitted into C-USA. They were also the ones to say that it would be years before USF could beat ECU. Well....three meetings later USF is 3-0 against the Pirates, with only one game being competitive. However, as we all want the Big East to succeed it is imperative that we add a 9th team to make scheduling easier. There is no rule we have to like our members school just respect them and hope they do well for the conference as a whole.

The venom toward ECU from L-yes makes me question some things. First, I suspect that he may have a family or other type of connection to one of the North Carolina ACC schools. If not that, maybe he had some kind of run-in with one of our fans. Maybe an ECU fan spilled a drink on him at one of our games.

UL and ECU simply haven't been playing each other long enough to develop the kind of sentiment that this guy is spouting. Are you sure you're not one of those Walmart Heel fans?

Is the ACC a Northeastern conference because they added BC? :rolleyes:

Purplehook Wrote:

L-yes Wrote:

Purplehook Wrote:

L-yes Wrote:

HiddenDragon Wrote:The BE would be fine at 9 teams.  You don't need a championship game.  You need an identity in the North East footprint.  The Pac 10 does well without 12 teams.  The MWC seems to be fine as well as the Big 10+1. 

Also not having a championship game eliminates the risk of having your best team lose in a meaningless game.

Do you want to leave USF on an island by themselves?  Adding UCF makes perfect sense in that regards.  ECU makes sense because you would have a BE team in the middle of ACC territory.  I'm sure the ACC would be thrilled about that.  Marshall makes sense.  But you don't need all three.

Damn straigt the ACC would be thrilled. They'd have a Big East punching bag in their back yard as a home coming game. What better way to prove that the ACC is the better conference than by having its four Carolina schools regularly slaughter Directional U of the Big East? And I'm just talking about football, I can't imagine how they'd line up during basketball season. 50 point blowouts would be the norm.

You can kiss my a$$ L-yes! If you really think ECU football would be a punching bag to the NC ACC schools them you are a bigger, arrogant idiot than I thought.
In basketball, there are very few teams in the country that wouldn't be punching bags to any of those four schools.
I personally don't care if you don't want ECU as a candidate for the BIG EAST if it ever expands but don't go insulting my school! :mad:

This is exactly what we need, right?


<a href='http://www.sptimes.com/2002/09/01/Sports/Duke_tops_ECU__ends_l.shtml' target='_blank'>Duke tops ECU, ends losing streak at 23</a>

Just wait until the new "Miami" of the Big East doesn't meet expectations.

P.S. for the record also, You lost to army not too long ago.

"Not to long ago"

Yes, 6 years ago and we were still 1 win away from being C-USA Champs.

BTW loved how your team insulted us before the football game last season, really dumb thing to do. Maybe ECU will learn to never stomp on the Cardinal again.

ecu92 Wrote:The venom toward ECU from L-yes makes me question some things. First, I suspect that he may have a family or other type of connection to one of the North Carolina ACC schools. If not that, maybe he had some kind of run-in with one of our fans. Maybe an ECU fan spilled a drink on him at one of our games.

UL and ECU simply haven't been playing each other long enough to develop the kind of sentiment that this guy is spouting. Are you sure you're not one of those Walmart Heel fans?

Well, Louisville fans have had in for ECU because of the "cheap shots", taken against Chris Redman by the ECU football team and then the stupity of jumping on our logo!

Guys, Another Louisville poster told me a while back just to ignore L-Yes. He's one of those guys that beats his chest now that his team is on top of the mountain. Once Louisville comes back down, which they will eventually do, you will not hear a word from him. He probably thinks that Louisville is too good for the Big East as well. What's a shame is that I admire what Louisville has accomplished. I want to root for the Cardinals, but when you read the crap posters like L-Yes spew, it makes it hard.

By the way, ECU may be a directional school, but the education you receive at ECU, is just as good, if not better, than Louisville.

CyberBull Wrote:

L-yes Wrote:

HiddenDragon Wrote:The BE would be fine at 9 teams.  You don't need a championship game.  You need an identity in the North East footprint.  The Pac 10 does well without 12 teams.  The MWC seems to be fine as well as the Big 10+1. 

Also not having a championship game eliminates the risk of having your best team lose in a meaningless game.

Do you want to leave USF on an island by themselves?  Adding UCF makes perfect sense in that regards.  ECU makes sense because you would have a BE team in the middle of ACC territory.  I'm sure the ACC would be thrilled about that.  Marshall makes sense.  But you don't need all three.

Damn straigt the ACC would be thrilled. They'd have a Big East punching bag in their back yard as a home coming game. What better way to prove that the ACC is the better conference than by having its four Carolina schools regularly slaughter Directional U of the Big East? And I'm just talking about football, I can't imagine how they'd line up during basketball season. 50 point blowouts would be the norm.

I am no ECU fan, but your argument just doesn't hold water. ECU has always had to deal with the four ACC schools in their backyard, yet for a long time they had the best football program in the state. However, the inequities of the BCS system that took hold in the mid 1990s were too much to overcome and hence you have a once stagnant Wake Forest program finally taking hold at the expense of ECU. There is no reason they can't thrive again if given the opportunity.

If you give ECU a BCS platform to from which to recruit from and combine that with their tradition and fan support, they would be a very good addition to Big East football. As far as basketball, who cares.....there are enough hoops powerhouses in the BE. The Pirates would improve and within a generation who says they can't be as good as their ACC counterparts.

Conferences are not built overnight....that is why USF was added and many people think programs like UL have the POTENTIAL to grow into a Miami type of school. Oh oh there is that 'potential' word again......


Oh BTW....once again I am not a ECU fan, and to be honest their fan-base were the first to look down their noses on USF when were were admitted into C-USA. They were also the ones to say that it would be years before USF could beat ECU. Well....three meetings later USF is 3-0 against the Pirates, with only one game being competitive. However, as we all want the Big East to succeed it is imperative that we add a 9th team to make scheduling easier. There is no rule we have to like our members school just respect them and hope they do well for the conference as a whole.

I'd expect as much from a USF fan. Seriously, you should just sit there, be thankful and quiet.

Louisville has bitten the bullet with in-state SEC competition that has multiple times the funding and invested in our programs without the BCS tit and exploded. So I have no sympathy for a program that couldn't maintain its success over the ACC bottom-feeders. Duke, UNC, Wake Forest and NC State are not and never have been world beaters by any stretch of the imagination. There is no excuse in the universe for having Duke break a 23 game losing streak against you. UNC was a 34-0 cupcake for us last season.

Who gives a damn about basketball? Most every school in this league except for your crappy program.

Your argument is short sighted and unintelligent considering the media is looking for any chink in the Big East's armor to exploit as are other entities on the college athletic landscape. The last thing this league needs is a down and out football program in the middle of ACC country with a pathetic 'never has been' basketball program 4-5 years removed from the Colonial Athletic Association.

Wilkie01 Wrote:

ecu92 Wrote:The venom toward ECU from L-yes makes me question some things. First, I suspect that he may have a family or other type of connection to one of the North Carolina ACC schools. If not that, maybe he had some kind of run-in with one of our fans. Maybe an ECU fan spilled a drink on him at one of our games.

UL and ECU simply haven't been playing each other long enough to develop the kind of sentiment that this guy is spouting. Are you sure you're not one of those Walmart Heel fans?

Well, Louisville fans have had in for ECU because of the "cheap shots", taken against Chris Redman by the ECU football team and then the stupity of jumping on our logo!

Don't forget spitting on our players and the class their fans show at Minges.

Brick City Pirate,

I've been beating my chest since before we built our own stadium without state funding. I was beating my chest during a 1-10 season in 1997 because I knew we had made the investment and hired the proper leadership to excel in anything we attempted to do. I agreed completely with the Louisville administration when they attempted to save CUSA from its fate as a conglomeration of dissimilar athletic programs and institutions scattered across the continental US. I came to resent the other programs that actively pursued expansion for the sake of expansion without significant investment in their programs.

There is no love lost for me and the remnants of CUSA. At one time it had the potential to be something but it slipped into a caricature of what it could have been when the inmates began running the asylum.

I can confirm L-Yes is a true Cardinal fan win or loose. as am I!

L-Yes, ECU has also invested to become a winning program. We have a new Chancellor, a new AD in Terry Holland, a new football coach in Skip Holtz, & a new basketball coach in Ricky Stokes. Pirate fans have had a taste of success. We have the leadership in place to once again become successful. I guess it's alright for Louisville to struggle with a 1-10 record since you knew it was just a matter of time before the Cardinal program would be winning again. Can't you see that ECU just might be heading in the right direction? Only time will tell. Do you blame ECU for wanting to be a part of CUSA? Until the past couple of years, ECU was one of the top football programs in CUSA. As far as basketball is concerned, I would hardly call the games Louisville played against ECU breathers. Most of the games were fairly competitive. ECU might not have won many games in CUSA, but the vast majority of them were very competitive. If VaTech can win some games in the ACC, it isn't impossible for ECU to become a winning basketball program. ECU actually beat VaTech twice in basketball over the past 3-4 years.

I honestly hope that the Big East is successful. I can't stand the ACC.

By the way, who cares what the other BCS Conferences think of the Big East. When the Big East was winning National Championships in both football & basketball, most ACC fans still thought the ACC was better.

The most likely scenario is the Big East breaks away from the basketball only schools in 2010. It will probably only add 1 mores school to bring the number to 9. This is a perfect number for scheduling purposes, 4 home and 4 away each year with 4 non conference games. In all likelyhood, it is between Memphis, Central Florida and East Carolina for that spot. That means whoever has the strongest football program come 2010 will be added. Basketball will be a minor consideration becuase you will already have a leauge with Louisville, Cincy, Syracuse, UConn and Pittsburgh.

Memphis and Central Florida both bring bowls to the table. Central Florida brings a rival for South Florida. And Memphis brings excellent basketball. I say go to ten.

What does ECU bring?