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Well at least we still have a piece of it...but the way this article is worded more then likely the BE will only send a team there once every four yrs...

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Big 12 could share Gator Bowl tie-in


Verbal agreement in place; ACC would play either Big 12, Big East or Notre Dame.


By GARRY SMITS
The Times-Union
The Gator Bowl Association's next four-year contract could match up teams from the Big 12, the Big East or Notre Dame against the Atlantic Coast Conference, the Times-Union has learned.

The proposal, if ratified, would begin with the Jan. 1, 2007 game at Alltel Stadium. It would enable the Gator Bowl to invite a Big 12 team for two years, a Big East team for two years, or bypass a Big East team once to select independent Notre Dame if the Irish are bowl-eligble and not in a Bowl Championship Series game.

For non-BCS bowls, Notre Dame is part of the Big East and bound by agreements reached by that conference.

The Big 12, Big East and the Gator Bowl executive board have not yet finalized the deal, but officials of the conferences said an announcement about their bowl affiliations could come as early as this week.

The commissioners of the Big 12 and Big East have verbally agreed to the deal, said 2006 Gator Bowl chairman Mike Hartley.

Gator Bowl Association president Rick Catlett declined comment.

The GBA and the ACC already have renewed their affiliation for 2007-2010.

Big 12 associate athletic director Bob Burda and Big East media relations director John Paquette said final approval must be made by their conference presidents. Both confirmed that the plan to share affiliation with the Gator Bowl is being given serious consideration.

"I think we would have some spectacular matchups," Hartley told the Times-Union Monday of the multi-conference scenario, which would be unique among bowls. "I think we're taking the lead among non-BCS bowls to ensure some flexibility in matchups. This will be the coming thing for bowls."

Since 1996, the Gator Bowl has paired the ACC vs. a Big East team or Notre Dame. This is the final year of that arrangement.

If the agreement is passed, the Gator Bowl would join the Cotton, Holiday, Alamo and Champs Sports Bowls among the Big 12 affiliates. Among the teams playing in those games in recent years: Oklahoma, Texas, Kansas State, Nebraska, Colorado and Texas Tech.

The agreement also calls for more flexibility in bowl selections instead of slotting bowls in games according to their finish in the conference standings. Conference commissioners, bowls and television partners would determine non-BCS matchups that would result in more fan interest, and make consecutive bowl trips (Texas to the Holiday Bowl or West Virginia to the Gator Bowl) less frequent.

Either way, the Gator Bowl has been a hot property and had discussions with every major conference except the Pac-10.

"The Gator Bowl is a strong point of interest for the Big 12," Burda said. "It has a New Year's Day date in a state-of-the-art NFL stadium and in a city known for its hospitality for bowl teams. The game also is in an area that could be very helpful for our teams in terms of recruiting."

Paquette said the Big East's goal was to remain part of the Gator Bowl despite losing Miami, Virginia Tech and Boston College to the ACC. The Big East has since added Louisville, Cincinnati and South Florida.

"We've enjoyed our relationship with the Gator Bowl and Jacksonville, and we hope to be their partners in the future," he said.

Immediate past Gator Bowl chairman Bob Smith, who is the chairman of the selection committee for this year's game, said other plans have not yet been ruled out. But he said the Big 12/Big East plan has the most steam.

"We're working to accomplish a realignment of our affiliations," Smith said. "We're keeping all our options open, but having a choice of two conferences against the ACC is certainly one of those options."

"The Big 12 and the Big East are the major players right now," said past chairman Bob White.

When negotiations for the new affiliation contract began early this year, the ACC and the Gator Bowl quickly renewed their agreement for another four years, a move that went hand-in-hand, White said, with the city landing the ACC Championship Game in 2005 and 2006.

"We're married to the ACC," White said. "That's never been the issue."

The Big East's loss of Miami, Virginia Tech and Boston College to the ACC put that conference's future with the Gator Bowl in doubt. However, Gator Bowl officials have never ruled out maintaining a relationship with the Big East, which has produced a team that played in five of the top-10 attended games in the bowl's history.

The major sticking point is the conference's relationship with Notre Dame. For the Big East to remain affiliated, GBA officials still wanted access to Notre Dame. Initially, the GBA wanted the Notre Dame option in any given year, if the Big East remained with the Gator Bowl, but Hartley said that position has been softened with the addition of the Big 12 to the picture.

"We don't need to demand the access to Notre Dame in all four years of the contract, since we've got the chance to get Big 12 teams such as Texas, Nebraska, Kansas State or Colorado," he said.

Attendance averaged more than 72,000 in Notre Dame's two appearances in the Gator Bowl: 2003 against North Carolina State and 1999 against Georgia Tech.

"You can assume that any agreement with the Big East involves the option of taking Notre Dame when it is not in the BCS and bowl-eligible," Smith said.

After the conference affiliations have been finalized, the GBA will turn its attention to its network television deal. NBC, the Gator Bowl's broadcast partner since 1996, has an exclusive negotiating window with the GBA from Oct. 1 to Nov. 30. If no renewal agreement is reached, the GBA can accept bids from other networks.
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Jackson1011 Wrote:The major sticking point is the conference's relationship with Notre Dame. For the Big East to remain affiliated, GBA officials still wanted access to Notre Dame.

"You can assume that any agreement with the Big East involves the option of taking Notre Dame when it is not in the BCS and bowl-eligible," Smith said.
I understand how this in some way helps the Big East, but I think it is very sad that a team that does not even play in the league has so much control over it.
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Jackson, How will this agreement affect the other bowls? On the CUSA board an article is linked that states if the Gator aligns with the Big 12, CUSA might have a shot at the Sun Bowl. It seems to me, a partial agreement with the Gator Bowl will make it harder to secure other bowls.
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Quote:Jackson, How will this agreement affect the other bowls? On the CUSA board an article is linked that states if the Gator aligns with the Big 12, CUSA might have a shot at the Sun Bowl. It seems to me, a partial agreement with the Gator Bowl will make it harder to secure other bowls.

-- I can't speak for the Big 12 bowls per say and how they relate to the Sun bowl...but this is what I do know.....the BE/ND and the Big 12 have an agreement with the Champs bowl and the Gator bowl...a another agreement between the two conferences and the Music City bowl and the Insight.com bowl could be coming sometime this summer....

Quote:I understand how this in some way helps the Big East, but I think it is very sad that a team that does not even play in the league has so much control over it.

-- So true....the sad part about this is for 1-2 yrs....the BEs #2 team is probably going to be playing in the Muffler bowl in Charlotte because of ND :rolleyes:.....this conferece really needs to look into forming some bowls of its own...We really need to get that Tornoto bowl up and going


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So the Big East will be playing in either the Champs or the Gator but not both? That's unless Notre Dame takes a spot.
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My understanding of the situatuion is when the BE has the gator a Big 12 team will be in the Champs bowl and vice versa....according to the articles I have read...this is what is being worked on for the BE


Champ- BCS
#2- Gator or Champs bowl
#3 Muffler Bowl in Charlotte
#4 Music City or Insight.com
#5 Motor City (if the Big 10 can't fill there slot)
* BE hopes to have the Tornoto bowl up and going by the time the new bowl contract begins


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I said it in the past...but IMO....ND has more power in this BE then most people think......I dont know how much power ....but they have it....thats another reason I dont see the spilt being as easy as people think....ND will fight this some how or way. They said in past articles that it was in their interest to keep the BE together. For the new BE teams get used to it.....becuase the old BE teams and fans are used to this. IMO of the article...it seems they made the verbal aggreement to get or try to get ND....not just any BE team....another example of the ND power in this conference....which does suck...but no one will say join or get lost altogether....and now ND will play 3 BE teams per year in the future....it just gives ND another power control over the BE....IMO
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Guys, the 2 bowls that the BE needs to be looking at that are coming open more than likely, with high payouts and Dec. 31 play dates are ...

Independence vs. SEC
Liberty vs. C-USA

They are high profile, and in warm(er) — than the North East — places. It's not Florida ... but it is better than Toronto against a MAC team.

I know C-USA is going to try to go after the Indy bowl as well, and I think the Sun for their West Div. members.

I still think this Gator bowl deal is crap. At worst, the BE is signing (maybe) a deal that would only guarantee them once every 4 years. And to still have ND in the mix is just ludicrous to my mind ... I don't understand it. I mean, I understand trying to keep the conference image up in a time of transition, but ND isn't that good for one, and all they are doing is taking the BE bowl slots. If ND can't touch the BE BCS slot, I say get the hell rid of them.

This is what I'd like to see ...

Champ- BCS/Orange
#2- Champs Sports bowl
#3- Liberty
#4- Independence
#5- Muffler Bowl

But this will be hard to accomplish with only 8 teams, so it is very unlikely that we'll get 5 bids lined up.
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ThunderDent Wrote:Guys, the 2 bowls that the BE needs to be looking at that are coming open more than likely, with high payouts and Dec. 31 play dates are ...

Independence vs. SEC
Liberty vs. C-USA

They are high profile, and in warm(er) — than the North East — places. It's not Florida ... but it is better than Toronto against a MAC team.

I know C-USA is going to try to go after the Indy bowl as well, and I think the Sun for their West Div. members.

I still think this Gator bowl deal is crap. At worst, the BE is signing (maybe) a deal that would only guarantee them once every 4 years. And to still have ND in the mix is just ludicrous to my mind ... I don't understand it. I mean, I understand trying to keep the conference image up in a time of transition, but ND isn't that good for one, and all they are doing is taking the BE bowl slots. If ND can't touch the BE BCS slot, I say get the hell rid of them.

This is what I'd like to see ...

Champ- BCS/Orange
#2- Champs Sports bowl
#3- Liberty
#4- Independence
#5- Muffler Bowl

But this will be hard to accomplish with only 8 teams, so it is very unlikely that we'll get 5 bids lined up.
Why would we leave the Gator even if it is in a shared status with the Big XII to go to the Liberty.
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There's really on one way that the Liberty Bowl would be interested in the Big East.
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Jackson, if possible, please post the actual links to your greats articles.

Much appreciated. 04-cheers
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Murph1 Wrote:Jackson, if possible, please post the actual links to your greats articles.

Much appreciated. 04-cheers
I'm not Jackson but here ya go.

<a href='http://www.jacksonville.com/tu-online/stories/071205/col_19218026.shtml' target='_blank'>Florida Times Union</a>
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The irony is that the rumor going around a year or so ago was that the Big 12 was one of the conferences that was against the Big East keeping the BCS bid. Now they're one of our biggest supporters and partners. 04-cheers
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Maize Wrote:Why would we leave the Gator even if it is in a shared status with the Big XII to go to the Liberty.
Simple math. Would you rather have a guaranteed $1.5 Million payout EVERY YEAR or a guaranteed $2 Million payment once every four years?
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Cat's_Claw Wrote:The irony is that the rumor going around a year or so ago was that the Big 12 was one of the conferences that was against the Big East keeping the BCS bid. Now they're one of our biggest supporters and partners. 04-cheers
If anything Kevin Weiberg has gone to the plate for the Big East alot lately. Personally the other conferences aren't happy with the ACC and one John Swofford.
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According to poster on CUSA Board, the Big 12 will not play in the Champs Bowl. This was according to an article in an Oklahoma newspaper. The article states that the Big 12 will play in the Gator Bowl, but does not mentioned the Big East arrangement.

<a href='http://www.ncaabbs.com/forums/confusa/invision/index.php?act=ST&f=22&t=26978' target='_blank'>Big 12 Bowls</a>
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Brick City Pirate Wrote:According to poster on CUSA Board, the Big 12 will not play in the Champs Bowl. This was according to an article in an Oklahoma newspaper. The article states that the Big 12 will play in the Gator Bowl, but does not mentioned the Big East arrangement.

<a href='http://www.ncaabbs.com/forums/confusa/invision/index.php?act=ST&f=22&t=26978' target='_blank'>Big 12 Bowls</a>
If that's the case maybe the Big East can cut a deal with the Champs Bowl to send our #3 team there. But if our #2 doesn't qualify for the Gator Bowl they would go to the Champs Bowl.
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Quote:According to poster on CUSA Board, the Big 12 will not play in the Champs Bowl. This was according to an article in an Oklahoma newspaper. The article states that the Big 12 will play in the Gator Bowl, but does not mentioned the Big East arrangement.

Big 12 Bowls

-- Looks like the deal they were trying to put together fell apart...hopefully that opens the door for the BE to tie itself to the Champs Bowl for good...two Flordia bowls would be great


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