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RE: Week 5 Attendance
Matt,

I'm not questioning your intentions but if you were looking at it from the outside it could be perceived that you were baiting for a response. T will bite hard on a line like that.
10-04-2011 07:12 AM
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(10-04-2011 07:12 AM)AstroCajun Wrote:  Matt,

I'm not questioning your intentions but if you were looking at it from the outside it could be perceived that you were baiting for a response. T will bite hard on a line like that.

I guess I can see that, but if I had been baiting for a response, I would not have started it off with a complement. I was really just asking what happened...
10-04-2011 09:33 AM
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(10-04-2011 09:33 AM)Mean Green Matt Wrote:  
(10-04-2011 07:12 AM)AstroCajun Wrote:  Matt,

I'm not questioning your intentions but if you were looking at it from the outside it could be perceived that you were baiting for a response. T will bite hard on a line like that.

I guess I can see that, but if I had been baiting for a response, I would not have started it off with a complement. I was really just asking what happened...

Not sure why we couldn't get more people there; but not "unhappy" with 26,339. Coach tried to pimp the game, get people excited. It's working. He will try again this week to get a big crowd for Troy. But that said, the crowd was 99% (probably more) Cajun fans. No one expects FAU or FIU to travel that far for an away game. Hopefully Troy brings some fans, and if I remember correctly, they are bringing the band too. "Should" be a bigger crowd this week, even with a big game at LSU. We still have way too many LSU bandwagoners in Lafayette. Hopefully that can change with winning.
10-04-2011 12:07 PM
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(10-03-2011 05:30 PM)BMarkey Wrote:  Regarding the "culture" of State of Alabama sports, it used to be (and to some die-hards) still is believed that as a resident, you state your allegiance for Alabama or Auburn, no matter where (or if) you went there, or if anyone in your family went there.

Just a few years ago, public elementary, middle and high schools would have a college pride day (or something like that) and tell their students to wear their Bama or Burn gear. Some Troy, UAB and probably even Jax State, USA and UNA people started fighting back and now, from what I hear, those special days see a lot of other gear choices worn. It's a start of a long change process.

Some of my fraternity brothers from the '80s who were born and raised in Alabama (and attended Troy when it was in DII and not a real competitor to Bama and Burn, which Troy now beats in baseball, basketball and other sports) continue to insist to me that "Bama or Burn" is the way it is. They say it is perfectly acceptable to go to Troy while sporting a Bama or Burn tag on your car, wear those schools' gear to Troy or another state school, skip a Troy or other game to watch Bama or Burn in the tailgate area, fraternity house or elsewhere, or even leave Troy on a game weekend to go to Birmingham or Tuscaloosa to be part of the Iron Bowl, even if they can't get tickets to the game.

It's just the "culture", the way it is, they tell me. That outdated, lack-of-pride mentality has caused a bit of a rift in my alumni association over the past few years. Some of the old-timers do not seem to even realize how disgraceful and disloyal their behavior is to the school that gave them their careers, family and great friends and helped them grow into, hopefully, responsible adults. They are disconnected to the new Troy and I don't believe Troy is doing enough to bring them back into the family, and back to a campus they might not even recognize.

I vehemently disagree with their philosophy and point out to them that the culture is already changing - not fast enough for me and the true 10,000 to 12,000 Trojans in Veterans Memorial Stadium each game, but changing nevertheless. The number of people on the Troy campus showing pride in their own school is way up. Some Troy gear can now even be found for sale in stores outside of the Wiregrass - even in Birmingham, Montgomery and the Florida panhandle. Troy just signed a 100,000-watt FM radio station to carry football and basketball games to the entire Florida panhandle. More and more people know about Troy now. I was even asked about the school down here in Boynton Beach the other night. It's a hard fight, especially now because of the re-emergence of Bama and Burn and all the bandwagon fans those accomplishments bring.

There is hope. I am seeing more and more of the recent grads and younger alumni following Troy on Facebook and elsewhere, supporting Troy financially and in the seats, and even dressing their small children in Trojan garb (very important in growing fans).

The culture change will happen in Alabama the way it has definitely happened and continues in Florida. The term "Big Three" is not used that much in the Sunshine State media here any more with the emergence of USF, UCF and FAU (to some extent), and now FIU. Miami's problems and losses, FSU's decline (until this year) and the slight decline at UF have helped spur the change into a state that features at least seven I-A choices. The larger schools in the state are the relative newcomers. Of course, it helps that Florida is so transient and that many newcomers are just as likely to become fans of the newer entries to I-A than the "Big Three."

I think the key for the long-term (terrible short-term strategy) is to have a vocal fan base that calls out the big dogs for refusing to play and is strident in having a "our school, our colors" attitude. Doesn't hurt to applaud and cheer when the big dogs lose.

It costs you fans initially who are OFFENDED that anyone dare be negative about the state sanctioned religion but you get rid of the soft fans who abandon you the first time you lose a game or the weather is too hot, too cold, too windy, too rainy, or your game conflicts with the epic TV battle involving the big dog.

You have to measure progress in decades, not game by game or season by season.

Eventually you might get lucky and some of those loud-mouth 20 year-olds who buy into "our colors, our team" is 55 years old, succesful in business, has the kids out of college and starts putting money into your program instead of being a waffler who is giving to the big dog so they can impress others with their access to the big dog program.
10-05-2011 10:57 AM
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I agree and in recent years, so have the majority of GoTroyTrojans.com posters. But this season I am seeing a lot of posts from people saying we should embrace the fans of other programs who come to Troy games wearing those other teams' gear. Being rude to them and running them off harms Troy in the long run, they now say.

I believe those people will never be true Troy fans and being nice to them will just encourage more casual, disinterested people who won't cheer or stand or stay to the end of the games.

These people should be reminded of their lack of respect when they show up dressed from head to toe in Bama, Burn or other gear, with their children similarly garbed. This type of wear takes planning and is a deliberate attempt to mock Troy in its own stadium and campus.

Luckily, there is less of this happening now than in past years.
10-05-2011 11:18 AM
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(10-05-2011 11:18 AM)BMarkey Wrote:  I agree and in recent years, so have the majority of GoTroyTrojans.com posters. But this season I am seeing a lot of posts from people saying we should embrace the fans of other programs who come to Troy games wearing those other teams' gear. Being rude to them and running them off harms Troy in the long run, they now say.

I believe those people will never be true Troy fans and being nice to them will just encourage more casual, disinterested people who won't cheer or stand or stay to the end of the games.

These people should be reminded of their lack of respect when they show up dressed from head to toe in Bama, Burn or other gear, with their children similarly garbed. This type of wear takes planning and is a deliberate attempt to mock Troy in its own stadium and campus.

Luckily, there is less of this happening now than in past years.

Why be rude to them ? At least they are coming to the games.
10-05-2011 11:28 AM
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FAU Student Goverment is kicking its "Fowl Owl" program into high gear before the stadium opening.

A "Fowl Owl" is someone wearing another teams T-shirts on campus.

To help allivate this hey are giving away free FAU T-shirts to anyone who turns in thier other teams shirts. Not sure how many will do it but hey at least they are showing they care. I have to say that I am VERY proud of FAU's Student Goverment team. They are really doing everything they can to get the student body motivated and into being FAU fans.
10-05-2011 11:30 AM
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Yes, they might be coming to the games, but they are not fans, do not cheer, do not support the team or our school and they are detrimental to the long-term health of the program.

I don't support being nasty, but I have in the past asked a fan dressed entirely from head to toe in Auburn gear if he made a wrong turn or was at the wrong game. He was intentionally insulting us. he didn't just throw on his only sweatshirt that day.

A couple of seasons ago, after a quarter of hearing the people in front of us gab and cheer about the Alabama game they were listening to on their headset, and the turning to us and gleefully telling us how "we're winning," I told them their "we" is not my "we" and if that game was so important to them, they should be there and let us cheer for our home team. The were not pleased.

BTW, I don't really have a problem with someone who went to Troy (or any other school) but has an affinity for another program because he also went there, or has a son or daughter who went there, or maybe the other team is in his hometown. But to wear that team's gear to the home team's game when those two teams are not playing is just disrespectful.
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10-05-2011 11:48 AM
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(10-05-2011 11:48 AM)BMarkey Wrote:  Yes, they might be coming to the games, but they are not fans, do not cheer, do not support the team or our school and they are detrimental to the long-term health of the program.

I don't support being nasty, but I have in the past asked a fan dressed entirely from head to toe in Auburn gear if he made a wrong turn or was at the wrong game. He was intentionally insulting us. he didn't just throw on his only sweatshirt that day.

A couple of seasons ago, after a quarter of hearing the people in front of us gab and cheer about the Alabama game they were listening to on their headset, and the turning to us and gleefully telling us how "we're winning," I told them their "we" is not my "we" and if that game was so important to them, they should be there and let us cheer for our home team. The were not pleased.

BTW, I don't really have a problem with someone who went to Troy (or any other school) but has an affinity for another program because he also went there, or has a son or daughter who went there, or maybe the other team is in his hometown. But to wear that team's gear to the home team's game when those two teams are not playing is just disrespectful.

I used to feel the same as you, but have mellowed as I have grown older. I have seen many, many orange-clad fans change over to blue over the years. We don't win them all over, but a very significant amount.

Now the ones that stay in the tailgating areas and watch the state's money team-- I agree wholeheartedly.

I know a Cajun fan who was disgusted that there was an LSU guy in Lafayette who was in the "big boy" lot, who did not go to the game and stayed behind to watch the Corndogs. We have plenty of those type, too.

I once had some Troy fans yelling at me in Hot Springs (good-natured) talking about how they were going to whip MT. One was wearing Auburn, the other Bama-- but had Troy hats.
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10-05-2011 12:11 PM
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I'm not that concerned about people coming to the games wearing the other's stuff because I don't know if they bought a ticket to come check it out, if someone invited them to give the school a chance, or they just might be stupid.

What drives me up the wall is the fans who come to the boards and get their precious feelings hurt and declare "I've always rooted for you."

Well whoop-de-doo.

Unless you are: Donating money, Buying tickets, or Buying licensed merchandise, we can't spend your "rooting".

There is a business man in Jonesboro who gives ASU some pretty decent amounts but he gives more to Arkansas. He's a Hog alum so more power to him, but at least he understands that his business is tied to ASU.

Arkansas State is either the largest or second largest employer in Craighead County (goes back and forth between the school and one of the hospitals). People who turn their back on the county's largest (or second) largest employer as well as the source of 10,000+ customers in the form of students and the thousands more who have no reason to come to town except for ASU sports piss me off.
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