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(10-03-2011 11:08 AM)geaux Wrote:  
(10-03-2011 10:30 AM)MT FAN Wrote:  This weekend:

FAU @ UL-Lfayette 19309
Duke @ FIU 22682
Memphis @ Middle Tennesee 20098
UAB @ Troy 18044
ASU @ wku 10813

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Arkansas State (2) 28895
UL-Lafayette (2) 27540
UL-Monroe (1) 26532
Middle Tennessee (2) 25300
North Texas (2) 24628
FIU (4) 19309
Troy (2) 19115
wku (2) 15338

UL had a little over 26k in their seats for this past weekends game versus FAU. In the 4th quarter, it looked like we only had 19k in the stadium.

Sorry. I copied and pasted from another site.
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(10-03-2011 01:58 PM)troy4ever21 Wrote:  
(10-03-2011 12:41 PM)BMarkey Wrote:  Troy appears to do little or nothing to promote its games to people who live outside an hour of campus. Those people are desperately needed in order for attendance to grow and for games to sell out. The marketing people at Troy either do not realize that, do not have the manpower and/or money to market to other areas and alumni, do not have the imagination to do so, or are satisfied with what is now clearly a downward trend in attendance.

The other problem - which will take years and newly-grown fans to solve, and I believe will eventually solve itself as the culture of Alabama changes - is the two major programs in Alabama, and even some in Florida and Georgia, that win SEC and ACC titles and regular national championships. In particular, 'Bama's and 'Burn's titles in recent years have caused so many bandwagon fans to tilt toward them as to seriously affect Troy gameday ticket sales.

I am saddened to write that many, many Troy alumni and former students are rabid fans of these other major schools and, at best, casual fans or no fans of Troy. I have a number of former classmates, fraternity brothers and acquaintences I place in this category, some of whom I am forced to de-friend on Facebook (due to their "Roll Tide", etc. posts while their true school's team is playing), and a few with whom I have stopped communicating. It sickens me to lose friends, but it sickens me more to experience their lack of pride and support for, and ignorance of Troy and what it should mean to them.

Some of them are major boosters of other colleges such as Florida, where at least one fraternity brother buys a prime tailgate spot in Gainesville every year and outfits it for a king. I believe he is also a Bull Gator or whatever they call their major supporters. I once asked him (after the Troy-UF game, while he was dressed in orange and blue) why he supports a school to which he never attended, nor wanted him, and he explained that he always wanted to play football there. (This guy was not even big enough to play at Troy when Troy was in DII.) Another Florida friend is a big 'Bama fan because he always was, although I'm not sure he ever set foot in Tuscaloosa for any reason. His excuse is that he went to Troy State, not Troy University. I know, I laughed, too.

Some of these people come back to homecoming most or at least in some years, but do not attend any athletic events, optioning instead to watch their real teams on TV at the fraternity house. (I am sickened to write this.)

Others live and die by what 'Bama, 'Burn or Florida State do, and attend Troy games only when those other teams are not available in person or on TV. Some have rarely if ever been back to Troy since the DII and I-AA days and think of Troy as that little school they can like when their real team is down or when they feel like it, or that Troy is not part of real college sports. If they would at least come back and see how much Troy has grown, they might actually embrace their actual university.

Some of these people rationalize their allegiance for the other schools because these people were raised to be fans of those schools, or because Troy was not in the same division when they attended Troy; or because Troy doesn't play the two largest Alabama programs in football; or because they will only root for a nationally ranked, constant winner.

I have some ideas to attack some of these problems and have posted them in the past. But nobody seemed interested. I have been noticing and posting about a downward trend in Troy attendance for years, to no avail.

I completely agree. Great post Markey.

I agree too........I was telling a couple of friends of my wifes that we took about the crowd.( By the way they loved the game even if the breeze was a little cool) and there were a couple little girls in Cheer costumes playing with pon pons......That is where the culture changes...when they go to games all their lives and Troy is the school that they cheer etc..........Even if they don't one day attend Troy they will be rooting for them as so many others who do not attend Auburn or Alabama.....because that is what their family does...........that takes time...
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(10-03-2011 02:29 PM)OwlFamily Wrote:  
(10-03-2011 02:23 PM)FIUFanatic Wrote:  As for that beat writer.....he is a lunatic.

Pretty smart one too, as he says controversial things to drive hits to his blog. Looks like everyone is checking it to see what he says.04-cheers

Like I said, truckload of salt for what Ted Hutton says on his blog. I know I do and I'm a FAU fan. LOL

Hutton is a turd 01-rivals, while its not his job to drive attendance, its also not his job to run smack for the program that he writes about as a beat writer. It's pretty lame crap for the most part and not worth reading but once a year when we play FAU.
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(10-03-2011 02:45 PM)Mean Green Matt Wrote:  Great crowd from ULL, but wasn't it supposed to sell out?

Matt, new stadium and 30 thousand students, where the heck is UNT?
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Regarding the "culture" of State of Alabama sports, it used to be (and to some die-hards) still is believed that as a resident, you state your allegiance for Alabama or Auburn, no matter where (or if) you went there, or if anyone in your family went there.

Just a few years ago, public elementary, middle and high schools would have a college pride day (or something like that) and tell their students to wear their Bama or Burn gear. Some Troy, UAB and probably even Jax State, USA and UNA people started fighting back and now, from what I hear, those special days see a lot of other gear choices worn. It's a start of a long change process.

Some of my fraternity brothers from the '80s who were born and raised in Alabama (and attended Troy when it was in DII and not a real competitor to Bama and Burn, which Troy now beats in baseball, basketball and other sports) continue to insist to me that "Bama or Burn" is the way it is. They say it is perfectly acceptable to go to Troy while sporting a Bama or Burn tag on your car, wear those schools' gear to Troy or another state school, skip a Troy or other game to watch Bama or Burn in the tailgate area, fraternity house or elsewhere, or even leave Troy on a game weekend to go to Birmingham or Tuscaloosa to be part of the Iron Bowl, even if they can't get tickets to the game.

It's just the "culture", the way it is, they tell me. That outdated, lack-of-pride mentality has caused a bit of a rift in my alumni association over the past few years. Some of the old-timers do not seem to even realize how disgraceful and disloyal their behavior is to the school that gave them their careers, family and great friends and helped them grow into, hopefully, responsible adults. They are disconnected to the new Troy and I don't believe Troy is doing enough to bring them back into the family, and back to a campus they might not even recognize.

I vehemently disagree with their philosophy and point out to them that the culture is already changing - not fast enough for me and the true 10,000 to 12,000 Trojans in Veterans Memorial Stadium each game, but changing nevertheless. The number of people on the Troy campus showing pride in their own school is way up. Some Troy gear can now even be found for sale in stores outside of the Wiregrass - even in Birmingham, Montgomery and the Florida panhandle. Troy just signed a 100,000-watt FM radio station to carry football and basketball games to the entire Florida panhandle. More and more people know about Troy now. I was even asked about the school down here in Boynton Beach the other night. It's a hard fight, especially now because of the re-emergence of Bama and Burn and all the bandwagon fans those accomplishments bring.

There is hope. I am seeing more and more of the recent grads and younger alumni following Troy on Facebook and elsewhere, supporting Troy financially and in the seats, and even dressing their small children in Trojan garb (very important in growing fans).

The culture change will happen in Alabama the way it has definitely happened and continues in Florida. The term "Big Three" is not used that much in the Sunshine State media here any more with the emergence of USF, UCF and FAU (to some extent), and now FIU. Miami's problems and losses, FSU's decline (until this year) and the slight decline at UF have helped spur the change into a state that features at least seven I-A choices. The larger schools in the state are the relative newcomers. Of course, it helps that Florida is so transient and that many newcomers are just as likely to become fans of the newer entries to I-A than the "Big Three."
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(10-03-2011 02:45 PM)Mean Green Matt Wrote:  Great crowd from ULL, but wasn't it supposed to sell out?

You're right, a lot of Cajun fans were disappointed with the showing at only 26,000+. With that said, the fact that we're "Disappointed" with that kind of crowd is actually a good thing because for a lot of schools that would be a massive crowd. This weekend, I'll be disappointed if we are under 30k vs the perennial conference power.
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(10-03-2011 05:18 PM)CajunT Wrote:  
(10-03-2011 02:45 PM)Mean Green Matt Wrote:  Great crowd from ULL, but wasn't it supposed to sell out?

Matt, new stadium and 30 thousand students, where the heck is UNT?

Sad thing is, it's over 36,000 students. But when you don't win, how do you get them to show up?
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(10-03-2011 05:18 PM)CajunT Wrote:  
(10-03-2011 02:45 PM)Mean Green Matt Wrote:  Great crowd from ULL, but wasn't it supposed to sell out?

Matt, new stadium and 30 thousand students, where the heck is UNT?

I asked a question, and wasn't even talking trash. How about you tone down the douchebaggery a bit.
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(10-03-2011 07:19 PM)Mean Green Matt Wrote:  
(10-03-2011 05:18 PM)CajunT Wrote:  
(10-03-2011 02:45 PM)Mean Green Matt Wrote:  Great crowd from ULL, but wasn't it supposed to sell out?

Matt, new stadium and 30 thousand students, where the heck is UNT?

I asked a question, and wasn't even talking trash. How about you tone down the douchebaggery a bit.

No, you of all people wasn't talking trash? That's a load of 01-rivals!
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(10-03-2011 08:09 PM)CajunT Wrote:  
(10-03-2011 07:19 PM)Mean Green Matt Wrote:  
(10-03-2011 05:18 PM)CajunT Wrote:  
(10-03-2011 02:45 PM)Mean Green Matt Wrote:  Great crowd from ULL, but wasn't it supposed to sell out?

Matt, new stadium and 30 thousand students, where the heck is UNT?

I asked a question, and wasn't even talking trash. How about you tone down the douchebaggery a bit.

No, you of all people wasn't talking trash? That's a load of 01-rivals!

What about GREAT CROWD FOR ULL isn't a complement, and what about your fans starting a thread about how the conference attendance record would be broken doesn't at least beg the question as to what happened. This was 0% trash.
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Matt,

I'm not questioning your intentions but if you were looking at it from the outside it could be perceived that you were baiting for a response. T will bite hard on a line like that.
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(10-04-2011 07:12 AM)AstroCajun Wrote:  Matt,

I'm not questioning your intentions but if you were looking at it from the outside it could be perceived that you were baiting for a response. T will bite hard on a line like that.

I guess I can see that, but if I had been baiting for a response, I would not have started it off with a complement. I was really just asking what happened...
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(10-04-2011 09:33 AM)Mean Green Matt Wrote:  
(10-04-2011 07:12 AM)AstroCajun Wrote:  Matt,

I'm not questioning your intentions but if you were looking at it from the outside it could be perceived that you were baiting for a response. T will bite hard on a line like that.

I guess I can see that, but if I had been baiting for a response, I would not have started it off with a complement. I was really just asking what happened...

Not sure why we couldn't get more people there; but not "unhappy" with 26,339. Coach tried to pimp the game, get people excited. It's working. He will try again this week to get a big crowd for Troy. But that said, the crowd was 99% (probably more) Cajun fans. No one expects FAU or FIU to travel that far for an away game. Hopefully Troy brings some fans, and if I remember correctly, they are bringing the band too. "Should" be a bigger crowd this week, even with a big game at LSU. We still have way too many LSU bandwagoners in Lafayette. Hopefully that can change with winning.
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(10-03-2011 05:30 PM)BMarkey Wrote:  Regarding the "culture" of State of Alabama sports, it used to be (and to some die-hards) still is believed that as a resident, you state your allegiance for Alabama or Auburn, no matter where (or if) you went there, or if anyone in your family went there.

Just a few years ago, public elementary, middle and high schools would have a college pride day (or something like that) and tell their students to wear their Bama or Burn gear. Some Troy, UAB and probably even Jax State, USA and UNA people started fighting back and now, from what I hear, those special days see a lot of other gear choices worn. It's a start of a long change process.

Some of my fraternity brothers from the '80s who were born and raised in Alabama (and attended Troy when it was in DII and not a real competitor to Bama and Burn, which Troy now beats in baseball, basketball and other sports) continue to insist to me that "Bama or Burn" is the way it is. They say it is perfectly acceptable to go to Troy while sporting a Bama or Burn tag on your car, wear those schools' gear to Troy or another state school, skip a Troy or other game to watch Bama or Burn in the tailgate area, fraternity house or elsewhere, or even leave Troy on a game weekend to go to Birmingham or Tuscaloosa to be part of the Iron Bowl, even if they can't get tickets to the game.

It's just the "culture", the way it is, they tell me. That outdated, lack-of-pride mentality has caused a bit of a rift in my alumni association over the past few years. Some of the old-timers do not seem to even realize how disgraceful and disloyal their behavior is to the school that gave them their careers, family and great friends and helped them grow into, hopefully, responsible adults. They are disconnected to the new Troy and I don't believe Troy is doing enough to bring them back into the family, and back to a campus they might not even recognize.

I vehemently disagree with their philosophy and point out to them that the culture is already changing - not fast enough for me and the true 10,000 to 12,000 Trojans in Veterans Memorial Stadium each game, but changing nevertheless. The number of people on the Troy campus showing pride in their own school is way up. Some Troy gear can now even be found for sale in stores outside of the Wiregrass - even in Birmingham, Montgomery and the Florida panhandle. Troy just signed a 100,000-watt FM radio station to carry football and basketball games to the entire Florida panhandle. More and more people know about Troy now. I was even asked about the school down here in Boynton Beach the other night. It's a hard fight, especially now because of the re-emergence of Bama and Burn and all the bandwagon fans those accomplishments bring.

There is hope. I am seeing more and more of the recent grads and younger alumni following Troy on Facebook and elsewhere, supporting Troy financially and in the seats, and even dressing their small children in Trojan garb (very important in growing fans).

The culture change will happen in Alabama the way it has definitely happened and continues in Florida. The term "Big Three" is not used that much in the Sunshine State media here any more with the emergence of USF, UCF and FAU (to some extent), and now FIU. Miami's problems and losses, FSU's decline (until this year) and the slight decline at UF have helped spur the change into a state that features at least seven I-A choices. The larger schools in the state are the relative newcomers. Of course, it helps that Florida is so transient and that many newcomers are just as likely to become fans of the newer entries to I-A than the "Big Three."

I think the key for the long-term (terrible short-term strategy) is to have a vocal fan base that calls out the big dogs for refusing to play and is strident in having a "our school, our colors" attitude. Doesn't hurt to applaud and cheer when the big dogs lose.

It costs you fans initially who are OFFENDED that anyone dare be negative about the state sanctioned religion but you get rid of the soft fans who abandon you the first time you lose a game or the weather is too hot, too cold, too windy, too rainy, or your game conflicts with the epic TV battle involving the big dog.

You have to measure progress in decades, not game by game or season by season.

Eventually you might get lucky and some of those loud-mouth 20 year-olds who buy into "our colors, our team" is 55 years old, succesful in business, has the kids out of college and starts putting money into your program instead of being a waffler who is giving to the big dog so they can impress others with their access to the big dog program.
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I agree and in recent years, so have the majority of GoTroyTrojans.com posters. But this season I am seeing a lot of posts from people saying we should embrace the fans of other programs who come to Troy games wearing those other teams' gear. Being rude to them and running them off harms Troy in the long run, they now say.

I believe those people will never be true Troy fans and being nice to them will just encourage more casual, disinterested people who won't cheer or stand or stay to the end of the games.

These people should be reminded of their lack of respect when they show up dressed from head to toe in Bama, Burn or other gear, with their children similarly garbed. This type of wear takes planning and is a deliberate attempt to mock Troy in its own stadium and campus.

Luckily, there is less of this happening now than in past years.
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(10-05-2011 11:18 AM)BMarkey Wrote:  I agree and in recent years, so have the majority of GoTroyTrojans.com posters. But this season I am seeing a lot of posts from people saying we should embrace the fans of other programs who come to Troy games wearing those other teams' gear. Being rude to them and running them off harms Troy in the long run, they now say.

I believe those people will never be true Troy fans and being nice to them will just encourage more casual, disinterested people who won't cheer or stand or stay to the end of the games.

These people should be reminded of their lack of respect when they show up dressed from head to toe in Bama, Burn or other gear, with their children similarly garbed. This type of wear takes planning and is a deliberate attempt to mock Troy in its own stadium and campus.

Luckily, there is less of this happening now than in past years.

Why be rude to them ? At least they are coming to the games.
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FAU Student Goverment is kicking its "Fowl Owl" program into high gear before the stadium opening.

A "Fowl Owl" is someone wearing another teams T-shirts on campus.

To help allivate this hey are giving away free FAU T-shirts to anyone who turns in thier other teams shirts. Not sure how many will do it but hey at least they are showing they care. I have to say that I am VERY proud of FAU's Student Goverment team. They are really doing everything they can to get the student body motivated and into being FAU fans.
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Yes, they might be coming to the games, but they are not fans, do not cheer, do not support the team or our school and they are detrimental to the long-term health of the program.

I don't support being nasty, but I have in the past asked a fan dressed entirely from head to toe in Auburn gear if he made a wrong turn or was at the wrong game. He was intentionally insulting us. he didn't just throw on his only sweatshirt that day.

A couple of seasons ago, after a quarter of hearing the people in front of us gab and cheer about the Alabama game they were listening to on their headset, and the turning to us and gleefully telling us how "we're winning," I told them their "we" is not my "we" and if that game was so important to them, they should be there and let us cheer for our home team. The were not pleased.

BTW, I don't really have a problem with someone who went to Troy (or any other school) but has an affinity for another program because he also went there, or has a son or daughter who went there, or maybe the other team is in his hometown. But to wear that team's gear to the home team's game when those two teams are not playing is just disrespectful.
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(10-05-2011 11:48 AM)BMarkey Wrote:  Yes, they might be coming to the games, but they are not fans, do not cheer, do not support the team or our school and they are detrimental to the long-term health of the program.

I don't support being nasty, but I have in the past asked a fan dressed entirely from head to toe in Auburn gear if he made a wrong turn or was at the wrong game. He was intentionally insulting us. he didn't just throw on his only sweatshirt that day.

A couple of seasons ago, after a quarter of hearing the people in front of us gab and cheer about the Alabama game they were listening to on their headset, and the turning to us and gleefully telling us how "we're winning," I told them their "we" is not my "we" and if that game was so important to them, they should be there and let us cheer for our home team. The were not pleased.

BTW, I don't really have a problem with someone who went to Troy (or any other school) but has an affinity for another program because he also went there, or has a son or daughter who went there, or maybe the other team is in his hometown. But to wear that team's gear to the home team's game when those two teams are not playing is just disrespectful.

I used to feel the same as you, but have mellowed as I have grown older. I have seen many, many orange-clad fans change over to blue over the years. We don't win them all over, but a very significant amount.

Now the ones that stay in the tailgating areas and watch the state's money team-- I agree wholeheartedly.

I know a Cajun fan who was disgusted that there was an LSU guy in Lafayette who was in the "big boy" lot, who did not go to the game and stayed behind to watch the Corndogs. We have plenty of those type, too.

I once had some Troy fans yelling at me in Hot Springs (good-natured) talking about how they were going to whip MT. One was wearing Auburn, the other Bama-- but had Troy hats.
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I'm not that concerned about people coming to the games wearing the other's stuff because I don't know if they bought a ticket to come check it out, if someone invited them to give the school a chance, or they just might be stupid.

What drives me up the wall is the fans who come to the boards and get their precious feelings hurt and declare "I've always rooted for you."

Well whoop-de-doo.

Unless you are: Donating money, Buying tickets, or Buying licensed merchandise, we can't spend your "rooting".

There is a business man in Jonesboro who gives ASU some pretty decent amounts but he gives more to Arkansas. He's a Hog alum so more power to him, but at least he understands that his business is tied to ASU.

Arkansas State is either the largest or second largest employer in Craighead County (goes back and forth between the school and one of the hospitals). People who turn their back on the county's largest (or second) largest employer as well as the source of 10,000+ customers in the form of students and the thousands more who have no reason to come to town except for ASU sports piss me off.
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