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Tranghese pleased with bowl moves

Andrew J. Beckner
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Friday July 15, 2005

The Big East Conference's four-year arrangement with the Gator and Sun bowls is the right step for the league's future and will allow the Big East to continue its stance as one of college football's top conferences, according to Commissioner Mike Tranghese.

"We've agreed this is the deal we wanted to make," he said Thursday, adding that final details have yet to be put on paper.

"At some point we're just going to sit down and we're going to dot all the i's and cross all the t's."

The conference made the official announcement Thursday that beginning with the 2006-2007 bowl season, the Big East, Big 12 and Notre Dame will begin a four-year deal to determine participants in the Gator and Sun.

That means that the Vitalis Sun Bowl on Dec. 31, 2006 and the Toyota Gator Bowl on Jan. 1, 2007 could feature either a team from the Big East, the Big 12 or Notre Dame.

The Gator or Sun will have the first pick of a Big East team after the conference's Bowl Championship Series representative is determined.

Which conference gets what bowl in a given year hasn't been determined, according to Tranghese. He said it was important that the Big East get word out that the deal was done, even if there are no specifics to report.

The pending four-year contract will run through the 2010 bowl season.

The Atlantic Coast Conference will continue its affiliation with the Gator Bowl and the Sun Bowl will feature either the Big 12 or the Big East (or Notre Dame) against a team from the Pacific 10.

The announcement comes amid a continued shakeup of the Big East's bowl tie-ins.

This year, in addition to the Big East's BCSeries berth and its deal with the Gator Bowl, the conference has ties to the Insight Bowl and the Meineke Car Care Bowl (formerly the Continental Tire Bowl) in Charlotte, N.C.

Media reports Thursday have the Insight moving from Bank One Ballpark in Phoenix to Sun Devil Stadium in suburban Tempe, Ariz., already the site of the Fiesta Bowl (which runs the Insight game).

The Fiesta also is moving, however, shifting to the new Arizona Cardinals' stadium in Glendale beginning in 2006.

After this season, however, the Big East no longer will be affiliated with the Insight Bowl, which is moving to a Big 12-Big Ten matchup.

Big East officials are looking at potential replacements. Tranghese said they are close to announcing which bowls will replace the Insight in the Big East's postseason schedule.

"We're talking to a lot of (bowl officials)," Tranghese said. "You name it, we've talked to them. We're pretty confident that we'll create five (bowl) opportunities for our eight members, plus Notre Dame."

Notre Dame's loose affiliation with the Big East has been a source of controversy for years.

Tranghese said, however, that such worries are not warranted. He said in the eight years that the Big East has been aligned with the Gator Bowl, for example, Notre Dame has replaced a conference team in that game only twice.

Not only that, but having Notre Dame affiliated with the conference has, in Tranghese's words "given us some leverage," when negotiating future postseason arrangements.

There are built-in safeguards as well.

"We have a one-win rule in place," Tranghese said. "If, for example, West Virginia is 9-2 this year and Notre Dame is 7-4, West Virginia cannot be bypassed for the Gator Bowl."

The Sun Bowl, which is played in El Paso, Texas, is the second-oldest bowl game in college football behind the Rose Bowl.

The Mountaineers have played in that game three times, the most recent a 35-33 loss to Oklahoma State on Christmas Day of 1987.
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Mike Tranghese is doing a fantastic job considering the odds he was up against! An added note, it looks like the Big Ten is pulling out of the Music City Bowl.
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I agree...Mikey T has done a superb job.....its also good to see the one game rule with ND is still in place

Quote:There are built-in safeguards as well.

"We have a one-win rule in place," Tranghese said. "If, for example, West Virginia is 9-2 this year and Notre Dame is 7-4, West Virginia cannot be bypassed for the Gator Bowl."

-- That means ND is going to have a good season to replace one of our schools in a big bowl...I was worried that a 6-6 ND squad could take our spot in a Sun bowl


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Jackson1011 Wrote:I agree...Mikey T has done a superb job.....its also good to see the one game rule with ND is still in place

Quote:There are built-in safeguards as well.

"We have a one-win rule in place," Tranghese said. "If, for example, West Virginia is 9-2 this year and Notre Dame is 7-4, West Virginia cannot be bypassed for the Gator Bowl."

-- That means ND is going to have a good season to replace one of our schools in a big bowl...I was worried that a 6-6 ND squad could take our spot in a Sun bowl


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Exactly! That should end all the talk about Notre Dame just coming in and taking out bowl bid. Even with an easier schedule it's going to be tough for Notre Dame to take out Gator and Sun Bowl slots.
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Jackson1011 Wrote:I agree...Mikey T has done a superb job.....its also good to see the one game rule with ND is still in place

Quote:There are built-in safeguards as well.

"We have a one-win rule in place," Tranghese said. "If, for example, West Virginia is 9-2 this year and Notre Dame is 7-4, West Virginia cannot be bypassed for the Gator Bowl."

-- That means ND is going to have a good season to replace one of our schools in a big bowl...I was worried that a 6-6 ND squad could take our spot in a Sun bowl


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Not to be overly paranoid or anything, but he only mentioned the Gator Bowl. Do we know for a fact that the same rule applies to the Sun Bowl?

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Yep...it applies to all BE bowls


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Just out of curiosity, since I don't know enough about the BE bowl situations, should ND be invited to the Sun/Gator bowl, would the second place BE team be automatically bumped down to the 3rd bowl option for the league?
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The way the Gator/Sun Bowl arrangement is set up, the Gator will have the first pick until it uses up two bids from a particular conf. If the Gator Bowl chooses a BE/ND team the first two years of the deal, then they must select a B12 team the last two years. ND can only be selected one time for each of the Bowls. To answer the question from above: Bowl picks other than the BCS can be in any order of conference finish as long as the team with the lesser conf finish is within one win of the highest team above them. This is probadly the one time that the BE should thank ND for this affiliation, because both bowl presidents were quoted that this deal wouldn't have happened without them.
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St. Patrick Eagle Wrote:The way the Gator/Sun Bowl arrangement is set up, the Gator will have the first pick until it uses up two bids from a particular conf. If the Gator Bowl chooses a BE/ND team the first two years of the deal, then they must select a B12 team the last two years. ND can only be selected one time for each of the Bowls. To answer the question from above: Bowl picks other than the BCS can be in any order of conference finish as long as the team with the lesser conf finish is within one win of the highest team above them. This is probadly the one time that the BE should thank ND for this affiliation, because both bowl presidents were quoted that this deal wouldn't have happened without them.
There you go, that answers the question! Yes, if Notre Dame is picked for the Gator or Sun Bowl then the Big East's #2 team would be pushed down to the conference's #3 bowl. That's why the #3 bowl is so important right now.
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Maybe we can get a Liberty/Music City deal with the SEC for our number 3 and pick up something like a GMAC Bowl for number 5.
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I'm hoping for the Music City Bowl, personally.
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I hadn't seen your last post before I sent mine, maize. I like that idea.
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Quote:I'm hoping for the Music City Bowl, personally.

-- I agree...sending our #2 or #3 to play a CUSA team isn't going to help us in terms of natioanl perception....the BE getting the Music City back against an SEC team is exactly what were looking for



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Sometimes, I think Tranghese would be pleased with a pizza lacking cheese, as long as he got to eat the crumbs.

All in all though, I guess he did the best for us that he could do and is trying to put a positive spin on it.

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Quote:JIM15068 Posted on Jul 17 2005, 05:44 PM
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Sometimes, I think Tranghese would be pleased with a pizza lacking cheese, as long as he got to eat the crumbs.

All in all though, I guess he did the best for us that he could do and is trying to put a positive spin on it.

Jim 

You do realize that if he pulls this off as many here think:

BCS
Gator/Sun
Music City
Charlotte Bowl
Motor City Bowl

The BE will be in exactly in the same place it was when Miami, VT, and BC were here? And because of the increased payouts from all of the bowls - will be making more money than before?

So no positive spin seems necessary to me. Why do you think the BE is worse off?

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JIM15068 Wrote:Sometimes, I think Tranghese would be pleased with a pizza lacking cheese, as long as he got to eat the crumbs.

All in all though, I guess he did the best for us that he could do and is trying to put a positive spin on it.

Jim
In this case I think he has done an outstanding job, no spin to it. We were going to lose the Gator Bowl, so he gets us a partnership with the Gator Bowl and the Sun Bowl, two tradition rich and prestige bowls, kept the Tire Bowl, and looks like he's going to replace a West Coast, hard to travel to, bowl with a geographically friendly bowl, and finish up with 5 bowls for us that all pay well. I think he is doing a fine job myself.
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I am very pleased with the job Mike T has done and the way the bowl situation is shaping up for the Big East. I love to see us partnering with other BCS leagues. kudos to Mike T and our BCS partners! 04-cheers
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