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RE: Well, that was short lived.
There's not been a real fundraiser for football at ETSU, atleast not one sponsored by ETSU. Again, that speaks of my half-assed comments. If they were doing what they should've been as far as that goes, we'd be talking about the weekend's previous game on a messageboard NOT linked to the Atlantic Sun.
10-02-2011 11:29 AM
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(10-02-2011 11:29 AM)Buccaneerlover Wrote:  There's not been a real fundraiser for football at ETSU, atleast not one sponsored by ETSU. Again, that speaks of my half-assed comments. If they were doing what they should've been as far as that goes, we'd be talking about the weekend's previous game on a messageboard NOT linked to the Atlantic Sun.

again "ifs and buts"....

IF football was generating revenue (even self sustaining) and had a remotely strong following, it would/could have never been dropped.
10-02-2011 11:58 AM
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It takes an administration with the drive to promote it for it to generate revenue/interest. Again, see half-assed, laziness, not putting forth the necessary effort to win. It's a culture. Classic underachievement.
10-02-2011 12:19 PM
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(10-02-2011 12:19 PM)Buccaneerlover Wrote:  It takes an administration with the drive to promote it for it to generate revenue/interest. Again, see half-assed, laziness, not putting forth the necessary effort to win. It's a culture. Classic underachievement.

Its classic underacheivment to stop pouring money into a football program that for over 80 years could not develope a consisent fan base of support? Or its classic underacheivment to use the money to build new facilities and fund the other sports that have never been properly funded. From my perspective they are putting forth the necessary effort to win...it just happens to be for sports other than football.
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10-02-2011 08:40 PM
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Yea it is. When the university makes a half assed effort to get it done then yes. And I know, you're drinking the Kool-Aid and lickin those boot straps for Dave and Co., I get it. I really do. But the bottom line is it is classic underachievement. They're putting forth effort in other sports that aren't driving money and interest.
Bottom line, they were at a crossroads with football, and instead of taking a man up approach, they took the spineless and weak way out. The university QUIT. That to me, shows a major sign of a character flaw and the sad thing is the people you're defending are the spineless quitters you're defending.
One last thing, the necessary steps to win? Hell, drop to Division II. That's a step that ETSU can take to guarantee wins. See how much fan/community interest that gets the Bucs.
10-02-2011 09:00 PM
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(10-02-2011 11:58 AM)slappywhite Wrote:  
(10-02-2011 11:29 AM)Buccaneerlover Wrote:  There's not been a real fundraiser for football at ETSU, atleast not one sponsored by ETSU. Again, that speaks of my half-assed comments. If they were doing what they should've been as far as that goes, we'd be talking about the weekend's previous game on a messageboard NOT linked to the Atlantic Sun.

again "ifs and buts"....

IF football was generating revenue (even self sustaining) and had a remotely strong following, it would/could have never been dropped.

It does not matter how much the teams wins or loses when you put the tennis coach in charge of athletics. All you get is a tennis coach in charge.
10-02-2011 09:50 PM
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(10-02-2011 09:00 PM)Buccaneerlover Wrote:  Yea it is. When the university makes a half assed effort to get it done then yes. And I know, you're drinking the Kool-Aid and lickin those boot straps for Dave and Co., I get it. I really do. But the bottom line is it is classic underachievement. They're putting forth effort in other sports that aren't driving money and interest.
Bottom line, they were at a crossroads with football, and instead of taking a man up approach, they took the spineless and weak way out. The university QUIT. That to me, shows a major sign of a character flaw and the sad thing is the people you're defending are the spineless quitters you're defending.
One last thing, the necessary steps to win? Hell, drop to Division II. That's a step that ETSU can take to guarantee wins. See how much fan/community interest that gets the Bucs.

"The university QUIT". That's one of the most telling statements that's been made on here about this whole sorry mess. They quit, they walked away, they took the cowards way out, the lazy way out. And, they did it alone - no other state university in the nation has adopted this "winning the right way" model that essentially got ETSU KICKED out of its conference - NOT ONE!!! That's HUMILIATION with a capital H. And that's what those of us who oppose this crap feel.
10-03-2011 08:50 AM
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(10-03-2011 08:50 AM)Buc66 Wrote:  
(10-02-2011 09:00 PM)Buccaneerlover Wrote:  Yea it is. When the university makes a half assed effort to get it done then yes. And I know, you're drinking the Kool-Aid and lickin those boot straps for Dave and Co., I get it. I really do. But the bottom line is it is classic underachievement. They're putting forth effort in other sports that aren't driving money and interest.
Bottom line, they were at a crossroads with football, and instead of taking a man up approach, they took the spineless and weak way out. The university QUIT. That to me, shows a major sign of a character flaw and the sad thing is the people you're defending are the spineless quitters you're defending.
One last thing, the necessary steps to win? Hell, drop to Division II. That's a step that ETSU can take to guarantee wins. See how much fan/community interest that gets the Bucs.

"The university QUIT". That's one of the most telling statements that's been made on here about this whole sorry mess. They quit, they walked away, they took the cowards way out, the lazy way out. And, they did it alone - no other state university in the nation has adopted this "winning the right way" model that essentially got ETSU KICKED out of its conference - NOT ONE!!! That's HUMILIATION with a capital H. And that's what those of us who oppose this crap feel.

Check out our school's Homecoming activities for this year. Now that is humiliation! It started with failed experiment to raise the minor sports to major status and lower or eliminate the major sports. No wonder we were ONLY school to do it.
10-03-2011 09:06 AM
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Football isn't easy. It costs money, it's hard to put a game on. Nevermind the product on the field, everything from security, parking, concessions, all the things I've pissed and moaned about that ETSU fails on. Crappy bathrooms, stale popcorn, flat soda, etc... Making a gameday experience. And much like the half-assedness (doubt that's even a word) that I've been talking about on here, that's a big problem. People don't want to spend entertainment dollars, and that's ultimately what football is, entertainment on a bad product. Think about this. When ETSU had the playoff game and the attendance was shoddy, that should've been an eye opener. The school should've immediately asked, why? And instead of finding out why people stayed away and fixing it, it was easier to say: "See we can't compete with UT." Everytime I hear an ETSU person say that I want to punch them in the f-ing face. It's just easier to blame someone else and not even try rather than fight for it.
It's a culture that has to change. It's more than just football, it's everything there.
I will not be attending homecoming this year, but maybe I'll have a scotch in honor of the attempt at it. Of course with it being a half assed attempt, I'll probably have Old Smuggler or something cheap as hell.
10-03-2011 11:13 AM
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Slappy is right about new venues for softball, soccer and the someday completion of the baseball field that was supposed to be finished this past spring. My question is why didn't ETSU have them years ago. Tenn Tech, Austin Peay, Middle Tenn, Tenn St, Carson Newman, Emory & Henry, Appy, Western Carolina and hundreds of other colleges and universities had these facilities long before ETSU. The administration has and always have been behind in athletics. ETSU operates under the same TITLE NINE requirements and the same funding formulas as all other Tennesse colleges and universities and yet they can't accomplish the same results.

ETSU went for 40 years lacking dorms and academic buildings and I have been hearing about a parking garage since the '60s. As many on this board are saying, LACK OF LEADERSHIP AND VISION is prevelent on all subjects at ETSU.
10-03-2011 02:01 PM
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