or BE#3 vs NCUSA 'sort of' champ. The L-Bowl has refused to take their champion, instead they want first pick of he conference.

I would rather take the SEC 5 or 6 and maybe even 7 over the C-USA Champ. C-USA is going to be a good league BUT I don't think as a BCS League we should have our number 3 playing a Non BCS League.

The SEC 5-7 could very well be a Georgia, Alabama, Auburn or Arkansas.

L-yes Wrote:or BE#3 vs NCUSA 'sort of' champ. The L-Bowl has refused to take their champion, instead they want first pick of he conference.

Kind of like the Gator and Sun wanting Notre Dame? Do you blame the Liberty Bowl. They'd rather have a 2nd place Memphis or Southern Miss than a confernece champion like UCF or UTEP simply because Memphis or Southern would bring tons more fans.

I would much rather play the SEC #6 then the CUSA champ....playing non BCS leagues in bowl games does nothing for us


Jackson

Jackson1011 Wrote:I would much rather play the SEC #6 then the CUSA champ....playing non BCS leagues in bowl games does nothing for us


Jackson

That is a foolish statement as a Mountain West or C-USA champ is likely to be decently ranked and a SEC 6 or 7 probably not. If in the Bowl as a BE #3, a team would need the win to stay in the tail end of the polls or get back in the polls at the end of the season.

Note: Ask Pitt what a non-BCS team did for them in their Bowl Game last year?
Ask our new partner - UofL - if they felt non-BCS last year?

I love the Mountaineers, just like you, but lets be rational. The BCS is crap and I hope we don't have to really feel that way someday.

Jackson1011 Wrote:I would much rather play the SEC #6 then the CUSA champ....playing non BCS leagues in bowl games does nothing for us


                                                        Jackson

That is foolish. The top 2 or 3 non-BCS schools are going to be much better teams than SEC #6.

Who was better last year...Utah, Boise State and Louisville or South Carolina?

The C-USA champ will typically be 9-3, 10-2 or 11-1 and ranked #18 or better. SEC #6 will typically be around 7-5 and unranked.

Tigeer Wrote:

Jackson1011 Wrote:I would much rather play the SEC #6 then the CUSA champ....playing non BCS leagues in bowl games does nothing for us


                                                        Jackson

That is a foolish statement as a Mountain West or C-USA champ is likely to be decently ranked and a SEC 6 or 7 probably not. If in the Bowl as a BE #3, a team would need the win to stay in the tail end of the polls or get back in the polls at the end of the season.

Note: Ask Pitt what a non-BCS team did for them in their Bowl Game last year?
Ask our new partner - UofL - if they felt non-BCS last year?

I love the Mountaineers, just like you, but lets be rational. The BCS is crap and I hope we don't have to really feel that way someday.

You're also a memphis fan.

As a Louisville fan I agree with Jackson and I understood the situation Louisville was in last season and do not resent it.

Quote:That is a foolish statement as a Mountain West or C-USA champ is likely to be decently ranked and a SEC 6 or 7 probably not. If in the Bowl as a BE #3, a team would need the win to stay in the tail end of the polls or get back in the polls at the end of the season.

Note: Ask Pitt what a non-BCS team did for them in their Bowl Game last year?
Ask our new partner - UofL - if they felt non-BCS last year?

-- I'm not saying there is not very good talent in non BCS leagues...but what I am saying is that the BE has a preception problem....Syracuse beating UTEP in the LB is going to be seen as another ho-hum bowl game by the national media....but the Orange beating a school like Arkansas (an SEC school with solid tradition) would probably result somw positive publicity for the league....

-- When thinking back to the rise of the Virginia Tech football program....when the Hokies started to win constently they got a chance to playe Alabama in the Music City bowl......when VT won it was seen as a land mark victory for that school...not because they had beaten an average, non ranked team in a bowl game but becasue they beat ALABAMA...perception is everything.

Jackson

I think it all depends on where a team is ranked and what the media thinks of them.......if you beat a Boise or Utah last year, then you get more respect from the voters, ESPN, Fox, etc....whereas if you beat an Arkansas, SEC #7, then they are not going to talk you up very much, but to each his own......it would also look better to beat a 11-0 Utah or 10-1 Boise or 10-2 UTEP than to beat a 6-5 Mississippi State, but again, to each his own......

Quote:it would also look better to beat a 11-0 Utah or 10-1 Boise or 10-2 UTEP than to beat a 6-5 Mississippi State, but again, to each his own

-- I wouldn't argue that point...but how often is the CUSA champ going to have that kind of record? Louisville and TCU are gone. The only CUSA school that has that kind of success recently is Tulane and the TOmmy Bowden/RichRod combo left a long time ago. In most yrs I would expect the CUSA champ to be in the 8-4 range. An 8-4 CUSA champ or 7-5 SEC team is no contest in my book....and again if both teams are unranked or ranked low...beating the SEC team will always get you more postive publicity

-- and personally....as a West Virginia fan CUSA just doesn't have that many appealing teams to me (personal opinion...don't be offended)....and the teams in your league that I would be interested in seeing WVU already is going to play (east carolina, Marshall).....driving to Tennessee to watch West Virginia play SMU doesn't sound to appealing to me...but if you take out SMU and put in Ole Miss or Kentucky I'd be there in a second...


Jackson

Jackson1011 Wrote:

Quote:it would also look better to beat a 11-0 Utah or 10-1 Boise or 10-2 UTEP than to beat a 6-5 Mississippi State, but again, to each his own

-- I wouldn't argue that point...but how often is the CUSA champ going to have that kind of record? Louisville and TCU are gone. The only CUSA school that has that kind of success recently is Tulane and the TOmmy Bowden/RichRod combo left a long time ago. In most yrs I would expect the CUSA champ to be in the 8-4 range. An 8-4 CUSA champ or 7-5 SEC team is no contest in my book....and again if both teams are unranked or ranked low...beating the SEC team will always get you more postive publicity

-- and personally....as a West Virginia fan CUSA just doesn't have that many appealing teams to me (personal opinion...don't be offended)....and the teams in your league that I would be interested in seeing WVU already is going to play (east carolina, Marshall).....driving to Tennessee to watch West Virginia play SMU doesn't sound to appealing to me...but if you take out SMU and put in Ole Miss or Kentucky I'd be there in a second...


Jackson

I see what you are saying, but how often is the CUSA champ going to be 8-4? I would wager that more times than not, the CUSA champ is going to have at least 9 wins if not 10 and will have garnered some sort of national respect......UL, TCU, and Tulane have proven that - maybe they are not proclaimed as world beaters, but they get respect......it is a slippery slope....

here are the CUSA champion records for the last three seasons....

UL 11-1
USM 9-4
TCU 10-2

keep in mind that most of USM's losses are to major OOC opponents....

compare to SEC #6 or #7

South Carolina 6-5 or Alabama 6-6
Auburn 7-5 or Arkansas 8-4
Georgia 8-4 or Auburn 7-5

I know what you are saying as far as name or tradition, but the LB people have to look at do they want a 10-2 TCU or a 7-5 Auburn? Auburn brings more fans, but in the media and the polls TCU is much more respected during that season.......what kind of matchup do they want? That is why it is a slippery slope..........

3601 Wrote:

L-yes Wrote:or BE#3 vs NCUSA 'sort of' champ.  The L-Bowl has refused to take their champion, instead they want first pick of he conference.

Kind of like the Gator and Sun wanting Notre Dame? Do you blame the Liberty Bowl. They'd rather have a 2nd place Memphis or Southern Miss than a confernece champion like UCF or UTEP simply because Memphis or Southern would bring tons more fans.

Makes Dollar$ & $ence to me....

Quote:That is why it is a slippery slope..........

-- No argument with that....although one more point I would like to make about this is a BE/SEC matchup you would have chance for a huge crowd with the right matchup....a Kentucky/West Virginia game for example would have the potential to be one of the biggest crowds in LB history



Jackson

Jackson1011 Wrote:

Quote:That is why it is a slippery slope..........

-- No argument with that....although one more point I would like to make about this is a BE/SEC matchup you would have chance for a huge crowd with the right matchup....a Kentucky/West Virginia game for example would have the potential to be one of the biggest crowds in LB history



Jackson

and so would Memphis versus any team from the MWC, BE, ACC or SEC and so would USM versus Miss State or Ole Miss and so would ECU versus ACC.......

Quote:USM versus Miss State or Ole Miss

-- You know as well as I do that the the SEC would use all its influence to avoid a "big brother/little brother" matchup....and why an SEC/CUSA LB mactchup is very unlikely

Quote:and so would Memphis versus any team from the MWC, BE, ACC or SEC

-- Has Memphis ever played in the LB (postseason)? Arkansas, Ole miss, Miss St would bring huge crowds too. If Tennessee would fall to the LB they would be looking at almost a gurantee sell out


Jackson

HoopDreams Wrote:

Jackson1011 Wrote:

Quote:it would also look better to beat a 11-0 Utah or 10-1 Boise or 10-2 UTEP than to beat a 6-5 Mississippi State, but again, to each his own

-- I wouldn't argue that point...but how often is the CUSA champ going to have that kind of record? Louisville and TCU are gone. The only CUSA school that has that kind of success recently is Tulane and the TOmmy Bowden/RichRod combo left a long time ago. In most yrs I would expect the CUSA champ to be in the 8-4 range. An 8-4 CUSA champ or 7-5 SEC team is no contest in my book....and again if both teams are unranked or ranked low...beating the SEC team will always get you more postive publicity

-- and personally....as a West Virginia fan CUSA just doesn't have that many appealing teams to me (personal opinion...don't be offended)....and the teams in your league that I would be interested in seeing WVU already is going to play (east carolina, Marshall).....driving to Tennessee to watch West Virginia play SMU doesn't sound to appealing to me...but if you take out SMU and put in Ole Miss or Kentucky I'd be there in a second...


Jackson

I see what you are saying, but how often is the CUSA champ going to be 8-4? I would wager that more times than not, the CUSA champ is going to have at least 9 wins if not 10 and will have garnered some sort of national respect......UL, TCU, and Tulane have proven that - maybe they are not proclaimed as world beaters, but they get respect......it is a slippery slope....

here are the CUSA champion records for the last three seasons....

UL 11-1
USM 9-4
TCU 10-2

keep in mind that most of USM's losses are to major OOC opponents....

compare to SEC #6 or #7

South Carolina 6-5 or Alabama 6-6
Auburn 7-5 or Arkansas 8-4
Georgia 8-4 or Auburn 7-5

I know what you are saying as far as name or tradition, but the LB people have to look at do they want a 10-2 TCU or a 7-5 Auburn? Auburn brings more fans, but in the media and the polls TCU is much more respected during that season.......what kind of matchup do they want? That is why it is a slippery slope..........

Personally I think they care more about fans in the seats and big name tradition than they do about ambiguous media respect. If the SEC even sniffs at this thing CUSA is out imo.

Jackson1011 Wrote:

Quote:That is why it is a slippery slope..........

-- No argument with that....although one more point I would like to make about this is a BE/SEC matchup you would have chance for a huge crowd with the right matchup....a Kentucky/West Virginia game for example would have the potential to be one of the biggest crowds in LB history



Jackson

A Kentucky/Louisville rematch would have people dangling from the press box. Louisville vs. any SEC would have legions like you've never seen stream south out of the river city.

Jackson1011 Wrote:

Quote:and so would Memphis versus any team from the MWC, BE, ACC or SEC

-- Has Memphis ever played in the LB (postseason)? Arkansas, Ole miss, Miss St would bring huge crowds too. If Tennessee would fall to the LB they would be looking at almost a gurantee sell out

no Memphis has never played in the postseason LB, but we average 40K for the ECU's and UT-Chatts of the world, so I am sure a LB against any team would sell out........easily......

The SEC will be the determining factor, i think if they offer their 5th or 6th place team to Liberty they ll take it and im not sure the SEC will want a CUSA team because perception wise they lose more than theyll gain.
Imagine the Liberty getting Ole Miss-Southern Miss, chances are better than 50% that USM will win and those teams right now refuse to play USM.
Alabama or Auburn would go nuts if they had to face UAB there.
Boise had a very good team last year but Louisville didnt get much credit in the media for beating them if Louisville would have hammered an Arkansas or Alabama in that bowl they would have gotten more publicity and recognition around the nation.
Is a fact USF got more notice for beating a 6-5 Pitt one year than for hammering Urban Meyer's ranked Bowling Green

L-yes Wrote:Personally I think they care more about fans in the seats and big name tradition than they do about ambiguous media respect. If the SEC even sniffs at this thing CUSA is out imo.

maybe, but it was Boise State being undefeated and Louisville only having one loss that had all the commentators talking and got the bowl great national recognition last year.......Arkansas 6-5 versus Pittsburgh 8-3 (just making up an example) would not have had near the attention........basically, you are banking on dream matchups as well - UL vs. Kentucky or WVU vs. Kentucky......what if somehow it was Rutgers vs. Mississippi State? So, it can be played on both sides of that equation - Memphis versus Clemson (where TW was once coach) would sell out in a week or less.......