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MongoSlade Wrote:Any school in the SEC (yes, including Vandy) would be a better attendance and/or TV draw than C-USA's #1 because of the "SEC brand".  The LB folks are aware of that, too.

Looks like it's going to be "SEC vs. Big East" in Memphis starting '06.  Would Notre Dame be included in this deal...?
Not if CUSA #1 is Memphis.


The Liberty is in a quandry. Fans from an SEC #5 or #6 school would look at the Liberty as a consolation prize, nothing to brag about or strive for. The same for a BE #3 school. Sure, those school's fans would buy tickets, but not as many as some seem to think. While a CUSA team's priority is the Liberty.

In addition, the Liberty also has to cater to the local population. 35,000 tickets are generally sold locally... Roughly, 75% of those 35,000 (26,250) are Memphis fans. A bowl game must also be sold to the local populace for it to thrive. All bowl games garner the majority of gross revenues from the locals. The Liberty, for all intents and purposes, has thrived with the CUSA/MWC match-up.

If the Liberty turns it's back on CUSA #1 and goes with a SEC/BE match-up, then a lot (not all but a lot) of tickets will go unsold locally. The Liberty would be forced to have the invited teams' fans make up the difference, when those fans will not be as motivated to go.

The Liberty has a tough call on their hands.

Personally, I see the following outcomes most llikely:
1) The Liberty stays with C-USA and re-ups with the MWC to forge a renewed C-USA #1/MWC #1 package. (55% chance)
2) The Liberty stays with C-USA and signs with the BE to create a C-USA #1/BE # 3 or #4 match-up. (25%)
3) The ACC comes in, and agrees to send it's #5 or #6 to play C-USA #1. (11%)
4) SEC #5 or #6/BE #3 or #4 match-up. (9%)

Of course, I could be wrong. 03-cool
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3601 Wrote:Murph has hit the nail on the head. The Liberty Bowl wants C-USA vs SEC. However, they want SEC more because SEC will guarantee more large crowds. Only Memphis and Southern Miss would guarantee large crowds from C-USA. If the SEC refuses to play C-USA, then the Big East lucks out and the Liberty Bowl falls in their lap. We'll see what happens.
All indications from the papers this morning say I'm correct. My guess is that the Big East is willing to send their #3 to play an SEC opponent and is telling the L-Bowl they can have the #4 otherwise.
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I would agree, the Liberty Bowl wants to attract fans from other cities. That will sell hotel rooms and fill the bars. As mentioned above, now, the bowl attracts primarily Memphis based fans. By bringing in an SEC team, the game would do more for the city of Memphis. My guess:

The Liberty wants a CUSA-SEC matchup, but the SEC doesn't want to play CUSA. This option is no possible.

The next choice for the Liberty would be an SEC-BE matchup. The debate probably centers on the teams. I am sure the BE would like to send their 4 to play, so they don't have to smooth hard feelings with the Charlotte Bowl. Plus, Charlotte may increase their payout beyond the Liberty. The difference in payouts last year was only $210,000. The SEC may not want to play the BE 4 and the Libery may not want the 4 team.

Choice 3 would be CUSA champ versus BE3. However, I would think the BE is only offering their 4. To get 3, the Liberty is probably playing the MW champ against the BE. I really don't think the Liberty wants a deal with the MW, but is simply using it as a bargaining chip.

In the end, I am thinking SEC versus BE 3 or 4 depending on the year. I think the Charlotte Bowl and the Liberty will alternate years with the 3rd pick. To get the BE3, the Liberty would have to guarantee a higher payout than Charlotte. That may not happen.
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MU88 Wrote:The next choice for the Liberty would be an SEC-BE matchup.
Actually, next choice was ACC-SEC, but it looks like that is dead.
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Quote:The debate probably centers on the teams. I am sure the BE would like to send their 4 to play, so they don't have to smooth hard feelings with the Charlotte Bowl. Plus, Charlotte may increase their payout beyond the Liberty. The difference in payouts last year was only $210,000. The SEC may not want to play the BE 4 and the Libery may not want the 4 team.

I think you are confusing the minimum payouts with the actual payouts. There may have only been a $210,000 difference in the listed minimum payout for the two Bowls, but there was a considerable difference in the actual payouts over the past two years -

In 2004:

LB paid out $1,501,462 to each team
Tire paid out $750,000 to each team

In 2003:

LB paid out $1,356,547 to each team
Tire paid out $750,000 to each team

If the LB is forced to take the BE because their real target the SEC won't play a C-USA opponent, they will insist upon BE #3 or ND.

And the Tire really won't have much to say about it.

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If the only hold-up between scheduling BE/SEC is a worry about Memphis area people wanting a conference that Memphis is in to play, I think we may have found our 9th team.

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i wouldnt be surprise to hear that announcement in the near future
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O.G. Eagle Wrote:
MongoSlade Wrote:
Jackson1011 Wrote:that shouldn't come as a suprise to anyone.....it all goes back to the big/little brother thing we were talking about in the other thread...So will the LB choose the CUSA champ or a middle of the road SEC team?....I would guess it would be the SEC


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Any school in the SEC (yes, including Vandy) would be a better attendance and/or TV draw than C-USA's #1 because of the "SEC brand". The LB folks are aware of that, too.

Looks like it's going to be "SEC vs. Big East" in Memphis starting '06. Would Notre Dame be included in this deal...?
O.G. you have been warned about this crap, keep it up and your gone.

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ROTFLOL!...I guess you think that threatens me.....sorry if you guys can't handle the truth....go ahead and ban me if it makes you feel good.......unbelievable...
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O.G. Eagle Wrote:
O.G. Eagle Wrote:
MongoSlade Wrote:
Jackson1011 Wrote:that shouldn't come as a suprise to anyone.....it all goes back to the big/little brother thing we were talking about in the other thread...So will the LB choose the CUSA champ or a middle of the road SEC team?....I would guess it would be the SEC


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Any school in the SEC (yes, including Vandy) would be a better attendance and/or TV draw than C-USA's #1 because of the "SEC brand". The LB folks are aware of that, too.

Looks like it's going to be "SEC vs. Big East" in Memphis starting '06. Would Notre Dame be included in this deal...?
O.G. you have been warned about this crap, keep it up and your gone.

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ROTFLOL!...I guess you think that threatens me.....sorry if you guys can't handle the truth....go ahead and ban me if it makes you feel good.......unbelievable...
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Cat's_Claw Wrote:Dude you need to chill. If you can't be mature enough to post on another conference's board without trashing that conference then yeah, you deserve to be trashed. If you want to trash the Big East do it on the Smack board. If you want to be a little baby and throw names at people in a thread instead of debating and talking about things in the thread then yeah, your @ss should be banned. You're sitting here ripping Big East fans for being upset with you trashing their conference while whining about Big East fans doing the same on the C-USA board.
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He can post here all he wants - as long as he has something intelligent to say. That usually is not the case. Don't ban - just delete every post that is useless, which is about 99% of them.
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bearcatfan Wrote:
Cat's_Claw Wrote:Dude you need to chill.&nbsp; If you can't be mature enough to post on another conference's board without trashing that conference then yeah, you deserve to be trashed.&nbsp; If you want to trash the Big East do it on the Smack board.&nbsp; If you want to be a little baby and throw names at people in a thread instead of debating and talking about things in the thread then yeah, your @ss should be banned.&nbsp; You're sitting here ripping Big East fans for being upset with you trashing their conference while whining about Big East fans doing the same on the C-USA board.
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He can post here all he wants - as long as he has something intelligent to say. That usually is not the case. Don't ban - just delete every post that is useless, which is about 99% of them.
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Cubanbull Wrote:i wouldnt be surprise to hear that announcement in the near future
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Back from 2 1/2 weeks vacation at my summer cottage on Lake Ontario. Lots of news I see while I was gone.

My take on the Liberty Bowl is take it if we can get it. LB should get #3 and Muffler Bowl should get #4. I just drove through Memphis each way, saw the Pyramid and found out construction is in full swing in downtown Memphis. I think the Charlotte Bowl is easier for most BE fans to drive to--so the #4 team could send more to Charlotte than Memphis. I'll tell you what: the closest city (Louisville) is still 6 hours from Memphis. The Liberty Bowl is not in a very good location for road trippers. However, the LB is a great bowl with much prestige. It would be a "feather in our (BE) cap" to get it against the SEC. The #3 BE team's fans might be more willing to drive a little farther to Memphis to see a contest vs and SEC team than a #4 team. I'm disappointed in not getting the Champ's Bowl. The BE could've used another bowl in Florida sigh....

As far as OG Eagle--the guy is just exhibiting his standard MO...this board is really becoming quite good and needless smack should be discouraged. IMHO, if he doesn't play by our rules send him packing. I saw how he and Yune acted on KillerFrogs--this board needs to stay away from it. I don't mind some smack but the person needs to add something of value. I have done some smack talking (in CUSA's POV) on the CUSA board but I also have added and commented on things over there in a positive manner.
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TexanMark Wrote:Back from 2 1/2 weeks vacation at my summer cottage on Lake Ontario. Lots of news I see while I was gone.

My take on the Liberty Bowl is take it if we can get it. LB should get #3 and Muffler Bowl should get #4. I just drove through Memphis each way, saw the Pyramid and found out construction is in full swing in downtown Memphis. I think the Charlotte Bowl is easier for most BE fans to drive to--so the #4 team could send more to Charlotte than Memphis. I'll tell you what: the closest city (Louisville) is still 6 hours from Memphis. The Liberty Bowl is not in a very good location for road trippers. However, the LB is a great bowl with much prestige. It would be a "feather in our (BE) cap" to get it against the SEC. The #3 BE team's fans might be more willing to drive a little farther to Memphis to see a contest vs and SEC team than a #4 team. I'm disappointed in not getting the Champ's Bowl. The BE could've used another bowl in Florida sigh....

As far as OG Eagle--the guy is just exhibiting his standard MO...this board is really becoming quite good and needless smack should be discouraged. IMHO, if he doesn't play by our rules send him packing. I saw how he and Yune acted on KillerFrogs--this board needs to stay away from it. I don't mind some smack but the person needs to add something of value. I have done some smack talking (in CUSA's POV) on the CUSA board but I also have added and commented on things over there in a positive manner.
Sounds like you did some serious driving on that vacation. 03-cool
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omnicarrier Wrote:
Quote:The debate probably centers on the teams. I am sure the BE would like to send their 4 to play, so they don't have to smooth hard feelings with the Charlotte Bowl. Plus, Charlotte may increase their payout beyond the Liberty. The difference in payouts last year was only $210,000. The SEC may not want to play the BE 4 and the Libery may not want the 4 team.

I think you are confusing the minimum payouts with the actual payouts. There may have only been a $210,000 difference in the listed minimum payout for the two Bowls, but there was a considerable difference in the actual payouts over the past two years -

In 2004:

LB paid out $1,501,462 to each team
Tire paid out $750,000 to each team

In 2003:

LB paid out $1,356,547 to each team
Tire paid out $750,000 to each team

If the LB is forced to take the BE because their real target the SEC won't play a C-USA opponent, they will insist upon BE #3 or ND.

And the Tire really won't have much to say about it.

Cheers,
Neil
I don't think you are correct. As stated in today's Pittsburgh article:


The Meineke Car Care Bowl currently has fourth pick among Big East teams, but executive director Will Webb reiterated that he hoped to improve that position.

"I don't want to jinx anything," Webb said. "We're talking, and we would love to be the No. 3 pick."

Two months ago, Webb said his bowl would consider offers from other conferences if it did not get the Big East's third pick.

Yesterday, he said the Meineke's offer to increase its payout -- which was $1.27 million per team in 2004 -- is still on the table.

"We still need to resolve our financial guarantee," Webb said. "We'd like to move north of that ($1.27 million) figure."

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bearcatfan Wrote:
TexanMark Wrote:Back from 2 1/2 weeks vacation at my summer cottage on Lake Ontario.&nbsp; Lots of news I see while I was gone.&nbsp;

My take on the Liberty Bowl is take it if we can get it.&nbsp; LB should get #3 and Muffler Bowl should get #4.&nbsp; I just drove through Memphis each way, saw the Pyramid and found out construction is in full swing in downtown Memphis.&nbsp; I think the Charlotte Bowl is easier for most BE fans to drive to--so the #4 team could send more to Charlotte than Memphis.&nbsp; I'll tell you what:&nbsp; the closest city (Louisville) is still 6 hours from Memphis.&nbsp; The Liberty Bowl is not in a very good location for road trippers.&nbsp; However, the LB is a great bowl with much prestige.&nbsp; It would be a "feather in our (BE) cap" to get it against the SEC.&nbsp; The #3 BE team's fans might be more willing to drive a little farther to Memphis to see a contest vs and SEC team than a #4 team.&nbsp; I'm disappointed in not getting the Champ's Bowl.&nbsp; The BE could've used another bowl in Florida&nbsp; sigh....

As far as OG Eagle--the guy is just exhibiting his standard MO...this board is really becoming quite good and needless smack should be discouraged.&nbsp; IMHO, if he doesn't play by our rules send him packing.&nbsp; I saw how he and Yune acted on KillerFrogs--this board needs to stay away from it.&nbsp; I don't mind some smack but the person needs to add something of value.&nbsp; I have done some smack talking (in CUSA's POV) on the CUSA board but I also have added and commented on things over there in a positive manner.
Sounds like you did some serious driving on that vacation. 03-cool
Had to--I was pulling a 5x8' UHaul with stuff for the cottage. I'm flying next time. Made it back to South Texas in two days--the last 50-100 miles each day were the worst. It was close to 1800 miles each way.

As for the Meineke Bowl--$750,000 payout has always been the official payout. With nearly soldout games it might be possible they exceeded that and did payout 1.27M to each team.
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Quote:MU88 Posted on Jul 22 2005, 02:54 PM
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The debate probably centers on the teams. I am sure the BE would like to send their 4 to play, so they don't have to smooth hard feelings with the Charlotte Bowl. Plus, Charlotte may increase their payout beyond the Liberty. The difference in payouts last year was only $210,000. The SEC may not want to play the BE 4 and the Libery may not want the 4 team.



I think you are confusing the minimum payouts with the actual payouts. There may have only been a $210,000 difference in the listed minimum payout for the two Bowls, but there was a considerable difference in the actual payouts over the past two years -

In 2004:

LB paid out $1,501,462 to each team
Tire paid out $750,000 to each team

In 2003:

LB paid out $1,356,547 to each team
Tire paid out $750,000 to each team

If the LB is forced to take the BE because their real target the SEC won't play a C-USA opponent, they will insist upon BE #3 or ND.

And the Tire really won't have much to say about it.

Cheers,
Neil

I don't think you are correct. As stated in today's Pittsburgh article:


The Meineke Car Care Bowl currently has fourth pick among Big East teams, but executive director Will Webb reiterated that he hoped to improve that position.

"I don't want to jinx anything," Webb said. "We're talking, and we would love to be the No. 3 pick."

Two months ago, Webb said his bowl would consider offers from other conferences if it did not get the Big East's third pick.

Yesterday, he said the Meineke's offer to increase its payout -- which was $1.27 million per team in 2004 -- is still on the table.

"We still need to resolve our financial guarantee," Webb said. "We'd like to move north of that ($1.27 million) figure."

Sorry, I wasn't connecting it to the earlier article that gave you that impression. So let me amend my statement by saying I believe the reporter is in error.

I'm going by the actual figures reported on the NCAA site. While they don't have any say in how the money is distributed, they are still the depository of how all post regular season college athletic finances are reported.

Here is the link to the Non-BCS Bowl revenue so you can see where I got my information from:

<a href='http://www.ncaa.org/financial/postseason_football/2004-05/2004-05_non_bcs_revenue.html' target='_blank'>NCAA Non-BCS Bowl Revenues</a>

As you can see by this site, the only time the Tire Bowl paid out more than the minimum was when WVU visited in the Bowl's inaugural year. So between those two factors, a huge Neers turnout and something new in Charlotte, it looked like a great bowl game was starting. But since, the locals were not able to compensate for not having a 'traveling' team come to the bowl in the same way the Memphis faithful have.

Cheers,
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