I know you guys are pretty defensive, and I am sure I will get flamed more than receive actal answers and responses, but I will ask anyway.

I have read this board as well as many others over the years. I have never bothered to create an account before, so I guess you should feel honored (I say that jokingly) that I decided to finally join the message board world to ask ECU fans this question.

My question has several layers, or rather several questions rolled into one request for answers, so bear with me:

For years now I have seen ECU fans talk about joining the Big East and how they would like to be in the Big East, yet constantly trash talk the Big East. Why trash something you want to be a part of so badly? I also read over and over how ECU fans feel if they were to join the Big East that they would dominate it. The reasoning is always the same... "if we could recruit as a BCS school imagine what we could do." Can some one explain that thinking to me? Several BCS schools have solid followings but do not dominate their conference. Further, ECU has never dominated Conference USA. You have the most solid fan support in CUSA, but all other things being equal with the other 11 CUSA schools, you have never dominated CUSA. Your recruiting is certainly no worse than any other team in CUSA.

Yet some how, even though you have never dominated your own conference, moving to the Big East would be a breeze for ECU to just move in and dominate. ECU finished with a losing record last year. I don't believe ECU has ever ran the table in conference play in CUSA. Even when you won back to back titles in CUSA, you didn't go undefeated in the conference. And you have failed to win CUSA way more times than you have won it. Boise State, Utah, TCU and Hawaii all have BCS appearances as non-BCS schools, but not ECU. And I know you will follow that up with that one time win against Boise State... which in ECU language means you are the superior program. Okay fine, your mind is made up on that. Congrats. But UL-Monroe beat Alabama about 4 years ago. Does that also mean they are a superior program to Bama because of a one-time win?

ECU, according to ECU fans is a sleeping juggernaut. The Big East, Tobacco Road and the BCS all conspire to keep you down out of fear you will rise up and dominate them. Yeah, we know all that stuff too.

That still doesn't account for the lack of undefeated seasons in CUSA conference play, or 10-win seasons overall. Or particularly the lack of BCS bowl appearances that even Hawaii was able to pull off.

I mean, you are this diamond in the rough program that apparently just needs BCS affiliation to achieve greatness, right? What better way to get noticed than to actually start winning big on the field instead of by the water-cooler? Where is your Boise State/TCU style run of double-digit win seasons?

Where is this domination of equal and lesser programs in CUSA that somehow in your minds suggests to you that you would dominate the Big East, the conference you love to trash, but can't wait to be a part of?

I know there has been a lot of coaching tunrover in the last 10 years at ECU, but a lot of other schools have coaching turnovers occur fairly often and they continue to field winning teams year after year.

And I know you guys like to brag about what a tough nonconference schedule you face... and I give you that, you do schedule a decent amount on BCS teams from time to time... but it isn't like you are playing Ohio State, Oklahoma and LSU every year.

So what is the deal? Why is it that you can't dominate CUSA, but you believe you will somehow all of the sudden be able to dominate the Big East?

Thank you for your time.

Too long, didn't read

TheJayBo said "That still doesn't account for the lack of undefeated seasons in CUSA conference play, or 10-win seasons overall. Or particularly the lack of BCS bowl appearances that even Hawaii was able to pull off."

Do you realize the parity in this conference?
Have you looked at Hawaii's schedule in 2007 and how they got monkey-stomped in their BCS appearance?

The JayBo "It's not like you are playing Ohio State, Oklahoma and LSU every year."

You do realize that scheduling is a two-way street, right? Both programs have to agree. You can't just say....."uh, yeah we want to play OU, LSU, and OSU for our OOC this season" and poof! it happens. Their freaking OOC this season is UNC, South Carolina, and VT. That's extremely difficult. What's your team's OOC?

TheJayBo said "I know there has been a lot of coaching tunrover in the last 10 years at ECU, but a lot of other schools have coaching turnovers occur fairly often and they continue to field winning teams year after year."

Okay, so does ECU. What's your point.



PS. You're a d-bag. And a hater. And probably a fan of some piss-on lower-tier Big East school with a Napoleon complex.

(08-22-2011 11:33 AM)WalkThePlank Wrote:  Too long, didn't read

+1. Hard to keep my attention to some new poster.

(08-22-2011 11:46 AM)shiftyeagle Wrote:  TheJayBo said "That still doesn't account for the lack of undefeated seasons in CUSA conference play, or 10-win seasons overall. Or particularly the lack of BCS bowl appearances that even Hawaii was able to pull off."

Do you realize the parity in this conference?
Have you looked at Hawaii's schedule in 2007?

The JayBo "It's not like you are playing Ohio State, Oklahoma and LSU every year."

You do realize that scheduling is a two-way street, right? Both programs have to agree. You can't just say....."uh, yeah we want to play OU, LSU, and OSU for our OOC this season" and poof! it happens. Their freaking OOC this season is UNC, South Carolina, and VT. That's extremely difficult. What's your team's OOC?

TheJayBo said "I know there has been a lot of coaching tunrover in the last 10 years at ECU, but a lot of other schools have coaching turnovers occur fairly often and they continue to field winning teams year after year."

Okay, so does ECU. What's your point.



PS. You're a d-bag. And a hater. And probably a fan of some piss-on lower-tier Big East school with a Napoleon complex.

Thanks for having our back fellas!

CUSA East wants in the Big East because they have BCS payout. That's it. The conference is a shell of its former self with Miami, BC, and VT gone. Plus every game is winnable. Houston, Southern Miss, UCF, Tulsa, and SMU could all finish in the top 2-3 of that conference this year, and Rutgers and Syracuse would finish in the bottom half of our league annually. When I look at the BE, I see 3 teams who have no business being in a BCS conference (UConn, Rutgers, USF), 3 schools who could care less just as long as they make the Sweet 16 (Cinci, Louisville, Syracuse), and a couple of programs who are looking to get out of dodge (Pitt and WVU). Meanwhile, when I look at CUSA, I see 12 schools who are improving by the second both individually and as a whole, who I see as dethroning the Big East at the big boys table by 2020.

So in all honesty, we'd just be using you for the money

(08-22-2011 11:46 AM)shiftyeagle Wrote:  TheJayBo said "That still doesn't account for the lack of undefeated seasons in CUSA conference play, or 10-win seasons overall. Or particularly the lack of BCS bowl appearances that even Hawaii was able to pull off."

Do you realize the parity in this conference?
Have you looked at Hawaii's schedule in 2007 and how they got monkey-stomped in their BCS appearance?

The JayBo "It's not like you are playing Ohio State, Oklahoma and LSU every year."

You do realize that scheduling is a two-way street, right? Both programs have to agree. You can't just say....."uh, yeah we want to play OU, LSU, and OSU for our OOC this season" and poof! it happens. Their freaking OOC this season is UNC, South Carolina, and VT. That's extremely difficult. What's your team's OOC?

TheJayBo said "I know there has been a lot of coaching tunrover in the last 10 years at ECU, but a lot of other schools have coaching turnovers occur fairly often and they continue to field winning teams year after year."

Okay, so does ECU. What's your point.



PS. You're a d-bag. And a hater. And probably a fan of some piss-on lower-tier Big East school with a Napoleon complex.

Yeah, what he said.

Stupid fan scared to reveal his true identy posts a stupid thread.

(08-22-2011 12:32 PM)herdfan2013 Wrote:  CUSA East wants in the Big East because they have BCS payout. That's it. The conference is a shell of its former self with Miami, BC, and VT gone. WVU and/or Pitt will be moving to the ACC/SEC once Tamu finally goes. Plus every game is winnable. Houston, Southern Miss, UCF, Tulsa, and SMU could all finish in the top 2-3 of that conference this year, and Rutgers and Syracuse would finish in the bottom half of our league annually.

So in all honesty, we'd just be using you for the money

Exactly. ECU has stronger ties to the CUSA schools and regional AQ schools than anybody in the BE. WVU and Pitt are the only two schools I would look forward to playing and ECU already has had and has another long term deam with WVU upcoming. It really is all about the money and access to a BCS bowl without having to go undefeated.

I would much rather play CUSA schools than the Big East schools (sans TCU).

Yeah really WVU is the only one of the schools we really have a long time history with. Yeah the former C-USA members we have a little track record with, but I prefer USM, Marshall, and UCF (as much as I hate saying it) over playing Loserville, Natti, and the University of West Florida. The BE only has one thing any of us want, and that's AQ membership. We trash them because they are run by a group of bumbling idiots (and not just because they don't want ECU) who think adding Nova is a good football decision. If neither conference had AQ membership or both had AQ membership I wouldn't really care about going to the BE.

Not all ECU fans want into your craptastic conference. Those who do want in are either because it is an AQ conference or because road games would be easier to travel to on average.

The top team in our conference finished with a better ranking/record than the top team in your conference. Who got to go to the BCS bowl and which conference received millions more for being average? That is the only appealing thing about the BE.

(08-22-2011 11:21 AM)TheJayBo Wrote:  I know you guys are pretty defensive, and I am sure I will get flamed more than receive actal answers and responses, but I will ask anyway.

I have read this board as well as many others over the years. I have never bothered to create an account before, so I guess you should feel honored (I say that jokingly) that I decided to finally join the message board world to ask ECU fans this question.

My question has several layers, or rather several questions rolled into one request for answers, so bear with me:

For years now I have seen ECU fans talk about joining the Big East and how they would like to be in the Big East, yet constantly trash talk the Big East. Why trash something you want to be a part of so badly? I also read over and over how ECU fans feel if they were to join the Big East that they would dominate it. The reasoning is always the same... "if we could recruit as a BCS school imagine what we could do." Can some one explain that thinking to me? Several BCS schools have solid followings but do not dominate their conference. Further, ECU has never dominated Conference USA. You have the most solid fan support in CUSA, but all other things being equal with the other 11 CUSA schools, you have never dominated CUSA. Your recruiting is certainly no worse than any other team in CUSA.

Yet some how, even though you have never dominated your own conference, moving to the Big East would be a breeze for ECU to just move in and dominate. ECU finished with a losing record last year. I don't believe ECU has ever ran the table in conference play in CUSA. Even when you won back to back titles in CUSA, you didn't go undefeated in the conference. And you have failed to win CUSA way more times than you have won it. Boise State, Utah, TCU and Hawaii all have BCS appearances as non-BCS schools, but not ECU. And I know you will follow that up with that one time win against Boise State... which in ECU language means you are the superior program. Okay fine, your mind is made up on that. Congrats. But UL-Monroe beat Alabama about 4 years ago. Does that also mean they are a superior program to Bama because of a one-time win?

ECU, according to ECU fans is a sleeping juggernaut. The Big East, Tobacco Road and the BCS all conspire to keep you down out of fear you will rise up and dominate them. Yeah, we know all that stuff too.

That still doesn't account for the lack of undefeated seasons in CUSA conference play, or 10-win seasons overall. Or particularly the lack of BCS bowl appearances that even Hawaii was able to pull off.

I mean, you are this diamond in the rough program that apparently just needs BCS affiliation to achieve greatness, right? What better way to get noticed than to actually start winning big on the field instead of by the water-cooler? Where is your Boise State/TCU style run of double-digit win seasons?

Where is this domination of equal and lesser programs in CUSA that somehow in your minds suggests to you that you would dominate the Big East, the conference you love to trash, but can't wait to be a part of?

I know there has been a lot of coaching tunrover in the last 10 years at ECU, but a lot of other schools have coaching turnovers occur fairly often and they continue to field winning teams year after year.

And I know you guys like to brag about what a tough nonconference schedule you face... and I give you that, you do schedule a decent amount on BCS teams from time to time... but it isn't like you are playing Ohio State, Oklahoma and LSU every year.

So what is the deal? Why is it that you can't dominate CUSA, but you believe you will somehow all of the sudden be able to dominate the Big East?

Thank you for your time.

This guys funny.............with his ID withheld unfortunately I'm guessing he's a fan of someone in this conference. Just a hunch..................

Been reading this board and other ECU boards since 2003. I have rarely found ECU posters who think that ECU would dominate the Big East if were extended an invite. Maybe just maybe we would be a dominate team in Baseball but Football ?? WVU owns us and while it would level the playing field in FB with AQ BCS recruits it would still be a long road to dominate the Big East. I think ECU fans like a lot of other fans wanting to get into the Big East recognize the fact that the Big East is the easiest road to a BCS Bowl game. As an ECU fan we can look to how we dominated Cincinnati while they were in CUSA and how UC never finished ranked in their history but once they joined the Big East they flourished and won two Big East Championships. Using simple logic of how we dominated UC in CUSA days and had 3 Top 25 finishes and 1 Top 10 finish in our history with no AQ BCS Access or recruits it is not a huge stretch to think we could enjoy the success that UC did once joining the Big East. Not a slam of UC of all in fact a compliment since I have followed them for decades with family going to UC. I was astounded by the level of success UC enjoyed once joining the Big East and even now working on their 3rd coach.

I think there are several programs in CUSA who are in the same boat as ECU. You put UCF, Southern Miss, Houston, Tulsa or SMU in the Big East and they would all have a shot at the Big East Championship within a few years. Nobody on that list would dominate the Big East but I think they would have a legitimate shot at the Big East Championship in a 2-5yr time span with the right recruits and coaching continuity.

As for Boise St. TCU, Utah, Hawaii?? ECU fans love taking on big name programs and will never buy into the scheduling philosophy required to make a BCS run like those schools did. I actually like their scheduling philosophy for getting to a BCS Bowl but I know from debating ECU fans that there will never be enough fans to get the buy in needed. Seems like starting next year we will ease up but this year is yet again a brutal schedule...#12 South Carolina #13 VT, UNC, Navy and a chance Southern Miss and UCF will come to Greenville ranked. That is a recipe for a butt kicking not a BCS run. ECU is the only non AQ school in history to beat 3 ranked teams in a row with VT, WVU and Boise ST.

As for the Big East ?? I think it is a good fit. Gives the Big East a great new market in NC and give the ACC the big giant middle finger in the process. I think UCF and UH are good fits as well.

Due to my short attention span I could not and did not read your entire post. However, the Big East is nothing more than a glorified CUSA; which is why every team in CUSA wants to join.

So damn beautiful in here. We fight like dumbasses towards one another, but if someone "picks a fight", game over.

(08-22-2011 11:21 AM)TheJayBo Wrote:  I know you guys are pretty defensive, and I am sure I will get flamed more than receive actal answers and responses, but I will ask anyway.

I have read this board as well as many others over the years. I have never bothered to create an account before, so I guess you should feel honored (I say that jokingly) that I decided to finally join the message board world to ask ECU fans this question.

My question has several layers, or rather several questions rolled into one request for answers, so bear with me:

For years now I have seen ECU fans talk about joining the Big East and how they would like to be in the Big East, yet constantly trash talk the Big East. Why trash something you want to be a part of so badly? I also read over and over how ECU fans feel if they were to join the Big East that they would dominate it. The reasoning is always the same... "if we could recruit as a BCS school imagine what we could do." Can some one explain that thinking to me? Several BCS schools have solid followings but do not dominate their conference. Further, ECU has never dominated Conference USA. You have the most solid fan support in CUSA, but all other things being equal with the other 11 CUSA schools, you have never dominated CUSA. Your recruiting is certainly no worse than any other team in CUSA.

Yet some how, even though you have never dominated your own conference, moving to the Big East would be a breeze for ECU to just move in and dominate. ECU finished with a losing record last year. I don't believe ECU has ever ran the table in conference play in CUSA. Even when you won back to back titles in CUSA, you didn't go undefeated in the conference. And you have failed to win CUSA way more times than you have won it. Boise State, Utah, TCU and Hawaii all have BCS appearances as non-BCS schools, but not ECU. And I know you will follow that up with that one time win against Boise State... which in ECU language means you are the superior program. Okay fine, your mind is made up on that. Congrats. But UL-Monroe beat Alabama about 4 years ago. Does that also mean they are a superior program to Bama because of a one-time win?

ECU, according to ECU fans is a sleeping juggernaut. The Big East, Tobacco Road and the BCS all conspire to keep you down out of fear you will rise up and dominate them. Yeah, we know all that stuff too.

That still doesn't account for the lack of undefeated seasons in CUSA conference play, or 10-win seasons overall. Or particularly the lack of BCS bowl appearances that even Hawaii was able to pull off.

I mean, you are this diamond in the rough program that apparently just needs BCS affiliation to achieve greatness, right? What better way to get noticed than to actually start winning big on the field instead of by the water-cooler? Where is your Boise State/TCU style run of double-digit win seasons?

Where is this domination of equal and lesser programs in CUSA that somehow in your minds suggests to you that you would dominate the Big East, the conference you love to trash, but can't wait to be a part of?

I know there has been a lot of coaching tunrover in the last 10 years at ECU, but a lot of other schools have coaching turnovers occur fairly often and they continue to field winning teams year after year.

And I know you guys like to brag about what a tough nonconference schedule you face... and I give you that, you do schedule a decent amount on BCS teams from time to time... but it isn't like you are playing Ohio State, Oklahoma and LSU every year.

So what is the deal? Why is it that you can't dominate CUSA, but you believe you will somehow all of the sudden be able to dominate the Big East?

Thank you for your time.

Based on your logic all of the CUSA cupcakes left on last realignment since that was the last time anyone made it through CUSA undefeated in-conference. Hell, we could use the same logic on the Big East. Why can't anyone run the table with that soft schedule where zero teams finished in the top 25 while 2 did in CUSA.... thanks for playing

Has to be a UNC fan.