Who wants Miami these days, OC?

(08-19-2011 04:10 PM)CardinalJim Wrote:  The ACC hater in me loves that article. The BIG East fan in me knows it will take more than Miami's problems to get BC and Maryland to dump The ACC.

It definitely will. But, what BE school in its right mind wants to run off to a league that has that issue, PLUS is in imminent danger of being raided by the SEC?

So, despite all the internet "reports" the logical person in me sees no reason to worry too much.

UL or WVU possibly to the SEC, but probably not more than one.

And I'm saying that's the worst possibility I see, not that it's necessarily so.

As a Cardinal & Big East fan, I can't state emphatically enough what a joy reading that article was. Him not mentioning the UNC situation actually made it even better, because I kept thinking, "As bad as he's making this look, he's actually hiding some aspects of it that make it worse."

My favorite quote: "If you lay down with dogs you get fleas, and the current ACC is infested."

The truth is both on and off the field- we go rid of Miami just in time. This scandal began in 2002.

(08-19-2011 02:46 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(08-19-2011 02:40 PM)BJUnklFkr Wrote:  All of your points, Quo, would lead me to ask even futher, why would WVU (or anyone) even consider leaving for the ACC??

I agree! It's astonishing how fast the power-balance between the ACC and Big East has changed. Up until just a year ago, any of our programs would have seemingly been stupid not to jump to the ACC if given the chance.

But, now look at the situation:

1) ACC saddled with 2 huge football scandals and poor football performance on the field.

2) Key ACC football members may be leaving for SEC.

3) Basketball 'strength' has been hollowed out and is now just Duke/UNC.

4) ACC saddled with what is now obviously a BAD long-term TV deal.

5) Big East likely to get a BETTER television deal than the ACC has.

IMO, all of this means the Big East is a better place to be right now than the ACC ...

And there has been some talk that in the age of super-conferences some of the better ACC teams might be part of B1G expansion - GT and MD were seriously considered last time and UNC/Duke as a package deal have been brought up recently.

While I still won't say the BE is a "better place" than the ACC, since I'm biased toward thinking that way anyway, it certainly is "no worse off".

If I were a Wake Forest fan, I'd be very concerned right now.

Cheers,
Neil

(08-19-2011 04:37 PM)BJUnklFkr Wrote:  

(08-19-2011 04:10 PM)CardinalJim Wrote:  The ACC hater in me loves that article. The BIG East fan in me knows it will take more than Miami's problems to get BC and Maryland to dump The ACC.

It definitely will. But, what BE school in its right mind wants to run off to a league that has that issue, PLUS is in imminent danger of being raided by the SEC?

So, despite all the internet "reports" the logical person in me sees no reason to worry too much.

UL or WVU possibly to the SEC, but probably not more than one.

And I'm saying that's the worst possibility I see, not that it's necessarily so.

Still think that if the SEC wants to solidify its current footprint - FSU and Clemson is the way to go. And if it wants NEW markets, VT and NC State is the way to go.

WVU and UL, while valuable gets, will be down in the pecking order for the SEC, imho.

Which oddly enough, actually helps Big East stability while hurting ACC stability.

Cheers,
Neil

(08-19-2011 03:13 PM)Ottoman Wrote:  Miami was dying before this scandal and this one looks pretty big. Maybe the worse in college sports. I love this line from the text.

"Miami has been a disastrous addition to the ACC. It was the catalyst that encouraged the league to grow to 12 teams, eroding the close-knit bond that the former nine schools had with each other and destroying the annual matchups with every other team in both football and basketball."

And to think we were offering them big money to stay in the BE. I think Swofford gets fired and Miami certainly looses scholarships. Golden finds a new job and Miami hires some bums off the street as team coaches. Who cares?

Hey Shalayla, How's that ACC thing working out for you?

Golden should be suing Miami. In order not to kill his career potential, however, he probably will not. I expect his lawyers will negotiate something quietly & that he will be coaching somewhere else next year.

(08-19-2011 03:51 PM)Ottoman Wrote:  I think most people don't realize that the ACC expansion was all about the SEC. Swofford was trying to keep up with the rising superpower in his backyard. He had no choice but to add Miami because FSU talked of leaving the ACC. Miami suggested that BC and SYR join them. Shalayla, Miami's president, is a SYR grad and she didn't want to hurt her alma.

But even after expansion for the ACC the SEC seemed to only get stronger as Miami never lived up to billing and was never the U it was in the BE. FSU took a turn for the worse also and VT became the conference power. VT is the team the ACC never wanted but state officials in Virginia made a stink and VT got invited.

Karma is a mother. But the ACC seems to me to be right back where they started but this time Swofford doesn't have to clout to boast about how good a FB conference it is going to be. He failed to live up to billing. Heck, talking about the SEC, the ACC with four colleges in North Carolina has to live with the fact that the best college FB team in their base state is ECU.

Not only was Miami/BC expansion bad for the ACC, it was bad for both Miami & BC. Attendance has declined at both schools since the move, rivalries have been disrupted, fan bases have been abandoned. Nor have the teams thrived on the field with the move. Yes, they made more money for a while, but it seems like a poor long term investment - sort of like buying Miami Beach real estate before 2008. Just one more Miami investment that went bad.

To think how arrogant these 2 members were, preaching to the rest of the conference about how to do business the right way - especially while Miami was getting special financial treatment. Couldn't ave happened to 2 nicer guys. You're absolutely right about karma.

Everybody knows how history gets revised, right? Sometimes it's intentional, but sometimes it's just based on hindsight observations and assumptions. So I predict that someday the storyline of the past decade's football conference realignment might go like this:

Because of flagging attendance and financial problems, Boston College was compelled to transfer out of the Big East, while at the same time Miami was forced out due to a scandal. Virginia Tech was forced by the Virginia legislature into the same league as the state flagship university, but the Big East wasn't interested in UVA because it had set its sites on more lucrative and promising programs from Louisville, Cincinnati, and South Florida. BC, VT & Miami all found a home in the ACC, whose final blow as an AQ conference came in 2011 when it was raided by the SEC for its strongest football programs...

Yeah, that's the kind of ***** I think karma is.