(08-16-2011 02:15 PM)UCFmike Wrote:  You guys don't have skip and co. anymore. You're defense will always be bad, some years it might be average. You're pretty much a CUSA west team like Tulsa or Houston. Not saying you can't win, but the days of ECU being in a defensive slugfest are over.

Says the UCF fan whose team just lost their defensive coordinator.

(08-16-2011 02:18 PM)TheEastisPurple Wrote:  

(08-16-2011 02:15 PM)UCFmike Wrote:  You guys don't have skip and co. anymore. You're defense will always be bad, some years it might be average. You're pretty much a CUSA west team like Tulsa or Houston. Not saying you can't win, but the days of ECU being in a defensive slugfest are over.

Says the UCF fan whose team just lost their defensive coordinator.

You know who we replaced our defensive coordinator with? Our previous defensive coordinator.

Dave Huxtable replaced John Skladany when Skladany left for Houston in 2007. Huxtables D led the entire conference 3 years running, 2008, 2009, 2010. Huxtable left to take an assistant position at Wisconsin, and Skladany was bumped back up to Defensive Coordinator (after he returned from Houston, and was made linebackers coach)

I think we're set.

(08-16-2011 02:18 PM)TheEastisPurple Wrote:  

(08-16-2011 02:15 PM)UCFmike Wrote:  You guys don't have skip and co. anymore. You're defense will always be bad, some years it might be average. You're pretty much a CUSA west team like Tulsa or Houston. Not saying you can't win, but the days of ECU being in a defensive slugfest are over.

Says the UCF fan whose team just lost their defensive coordinator.

Guess who our new defensive coordinator is? Hint: he was our DC during the 2007 season (you know...when we were conference champs and led the league in passing D).

(08-16-2011 02:25 PM)UCFmike Wrote:  

(08-16-2011 02:18 PM)TheEastisPurple Wrote:  

(08-16-2011 02:15 PM)UCFmike Wrote:  You guys don't have skip and co. anymore. You're defense will always be bad, some years it might be average. You're pretty much a CUSA west team like Tulsa or Houston. Not saying you can't win, but the days of ECU being in a defensive slugfest are over.

Says the UCF fan whose team just lost their defensive coordinator.

Guess who our new defensive coordinator is? Hint: he was our DC during the 2007 season (you know...when we were conference champs and led the league in passing D).

Wait so a team can lose a coach and not suck forever at what that coach was good at?

(08-16-2011 02:15 PM)UCFmike Wrote:  You guys don't have skip and co. anymore. You're defense will always be bad, some years it might be average. You're pretty much a CUSA west team like Tulsa or Houston. Not saying you can't win, but the days of ECU being in a defensive slugfest are over.

I'm as big of an ecu supporter as anyone and I'll probably be called a closet whoever fan but do we have to take offense to everything negative that is said about us and shoot down anytime something good is said about ucf? If we can ever hold a team under 30 points again is still to be seen so saying we will be bad on defense and average on some years isn't that dumb of the question. Now last year was beyond bad as we probably had a total of 5 stops combined starting with navy. I just don't get some ecu fans who think they know it all and other fan bases are idiots. Maybe I need to read other teams boards lol. I'm sure were not the only group

(08-16-2011 02:55 PM)jvllepirate Wrote:  I'm as big of an ecu supporter as anyone and I'll probably be called a closet whoever fan but do we have to take offense to everything negative that is said about us and shoot down anytime something good is said about ucf? If we can ever hold a team under 30 points again is still to be seen so saying we will be bad on defense and average on some years isn't that dumb of the question. Now last year was beyond bad as we probably had a total of 5 stops combined starting with navy. I just don't get some ecu fans who think they know it all and other fan bases are idiots. Maybe I need to read other teams boards lol. I'm sure were not the only group

Umm...It is all in good fun. Some good natured ribbing is fine and that is usually what you see here. If an ECU comes here and makes a post like this they will have to expect some ridicule for the way our defense was last year. I will hold all my enthusiasm until such time as I see how our defense performs.


Now for you UCF fans isn't your new/old DC the same DC that was fired from Houston because his defenses sucked ass????

(08-16-2011 03:05 PM)ShoreBuc Wrote:  

(08-16-2011 02:59 PM)UCFmike Wrote:  

(08-16-2011 02:36 PM)TheEastisPurple Wrote:  UCF 2010 defensive stats vs. Texas Tech 2009 defensive stats with Ruffin McNeill as DC and the team using the Air Raid Offense.


Points allowed per game:
UCF: 17.1
TT: 22.5

Rushing Yards allowed per game:
UCF: 108.4
TT: 126.8

Passing Yards allowed per game:
UCF: 207.0
TT: 225.6

Rushing TDs allowed (season):
UCF: 9
TT: 18

Passing TDs allowed (season):
TT: 12
UCF: 21

Total TDs allowed (season)
UCF: 30
TT: 30

Sacks:
TT: 41 (265 yards)
UCF: 32 (208 yards)

Red Zone Defense:
TT: 32-43 (74%), TDs: 23-43 (53%)
UCF: 25-28 (89%), TDs: 18-28 (64%)


The idea that ECU will never be good at defense again because of either our offensive scheme or our coaches dedication to defense is completely false. The DC we have now may or may not be the guy to get it done though.

I guess its possible if you are getting BCS level talent, but I seriously doubt it happens at ECU, who doesn't get BCS level talent across all positions. A lot of times non-bcs teams only get enough talent to be very good on offense or defense. UCF leads the league in defense, but is middle of the pack offense in our best years. Nothing to get your panties in a bunch about, but now ECU will be great offensively, but middle of the pack at best defensively.

So your saying Coach Ruff who took over the Texas Tech Defensive Coordinator position and moved the Defense to #1 in the Big 12 in several statistical categories and held teams like Nebraska to 10 points can't do the same in CUSA against far inferior competition to what he faced at Texas Tech ??? He walked into a crap storm on Defense because of two lost Defensive recruiting classes by Holtz. Loved Skip and Greg Hudson but they built ECU on a 5yr plan to leave. Hudson being no fool knowing exactly where the Defense was headed leaped and did not jump at the FSU job. Holtz thought he was screwed until USF Coach was nice enough to assault a player and get fired and it then took Holtz 1/2 a nano second to accept the USF job knowing what he had coming back at ECU.

Blurb from Ruff's TT Bio....
With McNeill at the defensive helm, the Red Raiders' defense improved in every defensive category.[5] Under Setencich, Tech ranked seventh in pass defense, ninth in total defense, and tenth in scoring defense in Big 12 Conference play. In nine games with McNeill, Tech improved to first in pass and total defense and fourth in scoring defense.[10] The Red Raiders forced more punts and allowed fewer rushing and passing yards than they did to begin the season.[11] These vast improvements in the defense led Leach to drop the interim tag and make McNeill the full-time defensive coordinator

I think we all can agree that CUSA has some of the best offenses in the nation. Also, you're saying Holtz and Hudson left because your team was going to be garbage? Couldn't be they were offered much better positions at BCS schools? Some ecu fans are really delusional.

(08-16-2011 03:08 PM)ECU-DMB Fanatic Wrote:  

(08-16-2011 02:55 PM)jvllepirate Wrote:  I'm as big of an ecu supporter as anyone and I'll probably be called a closet whoever fan but do we have to take offense to everything negative that is said about us and shoot down anytime something good is said about ucf? If we can ever hold a team under 30 points again is still to be seen so saying we will be bad on defense and average on some years isn't that dumb of the question. Now last year was beyond bad as we probably had a total of 5 stops combined starting with navy. I just don't get some ecu fans who think they know it all and other fan bases are idiots. Maybe I need to read other teams boards lol. I'm sure were not the only group

Umm...It is all in good fun. Some good natured ribbing is fine and that is usually what you see here. If an ECU comes here and makes a post like this they will have to expect some ridicule for the way our defense was last year. I will hold all my enthusiasm until such time as I see how our defense performs.


Now for you UCF fans is your new old DC the same DC that was fired from Houston because his defenses sucked ass????

Same one, but he'll see a significant upgrade in defensive talent here. Besides, you could put bilbo baggins in at DC and our defense will still be good, GOL really runs the ship there.

(08-16-2011 03:11 PM)UCFmike Wrote:  

(08-16-2011 03:08 PM)ECU-DMB Fanatic Wrote:  

(08-16-2011 02:55 PM)jvllepirate Wrote:  I'm as big of an ecu supporter as anyone and I'll probably be called a closet whoever fan but do we have to take offense to everything negative that is said about us and shoot down anytime something good is said about ucf? If we can ever hold a team under 30 points again is still to be seen so saying we will be bad on defense and average on some years isn't that dumb of the question. Now last year was beyond bad as we probably had a total of 5 stops combined starting with navy. I just don't get some ecu fans who think they know it all and other fan bases are idiots. Maybe I need to read other teams boards lol. I'm sure were not the only group

Umm...It is all in good fun. Some good natured ribbing is fine and that is usually what you see here. If an ECU comes here and makes a post like this they will
have to expect some ridicule for the way our defense was last year. I will hold all my enthusiasm until such time as I see how our defense performs.


Now for you UCF fans is your new old DC the same DC that was fired from Houston because his defenses sucked ass????

Same one, but he'll see a significant upgrade in defensive talent here. Besides, you could put bilbo baggins in at DC and our defense will still be good, GOL really runs the ship there.

Ok that is good to know...So I guess since there will be no change in coaching we should expect to once again torch your supreme defense like we did last year. Too bad our defense was so bad that they could not even get one stop in that game.

(08-16-2011 03:09 PM)UCFmike Wrote:  

(08-16-2011 03:05 PM)ShoreBuc Wrote:  

(08-16-2011 02:59 PM)UCFmike Wrote:  

(08-16-2011 02:36 PM)TheEastisPurple Wrote:  UCF 2010 defensive stats vs. Texas Tech 2009 defensive stats with Ruffin McNeill as DC and the team using the Air Raid Offense.


Points allowed per game:
UCF: 17.1
TT: 22.5

Rushing Yards allowed per game:
UCF: 108.4
TT: 126.8

Passing Yards allowed per game:
UCF: 207.0
TT: 225.6

Rushing TDs allowed (season):
UCF: 9
TT: 18

Passing TDs allowed (season):
TT: 12
UCF: 21

Total TDs allowed (season)
UCF: 30
TT: 30

Sacks:
TT: 41 (265 yards)
UCF: 32 (208 yards)

Red Zone Defense:
TT: 32-43 (74%), TDs: 23-43 (53%)
UCF: 25-28 (89%), TDs: 18-28 (64%)


The idea that ECU will never be good at defense again because of either our
offensive scheme or our coaches dedication to defense is completely false. The DC we have now may or may not be the guy to get it done though.

I guess its possible if you are getting BCS level talent, but I seriously doubt it happens at ECU, who doesn't get BCS level talent across all positions. A lot of times non-bcs teams only get enough talent to be very good on offense or defense. UCF leads the league in defense, but is middle of the pack offense in our best years. Nothing to get your panties in a bunch about, but now ECU will be great offensively, but middle of the pack at best defensively.

So your saying Coach Ruff who took over the Texas Tech Defensive Coordinator position and moved the Defense to #1 in the Big 12 in several statistical categories and held teams like Nebraska to 10 points can't do the same in CUSA against far inferior competition to what he faced at Texas Tech ??? He walked into a crap storm on Defense because of two lost Defensive recruiting classes by Holtz. Loved
Skip and Greg Hudson but they built ECU on a 5yr plan to leave. Hudson being no fool knowing exactly where the Defense was headed leaped and did not jump at the FSU job. Holtz thought he was screwed until USF Coach was nice enough to assault a player and get fired and it then took Holtz 1/2 a nano second to accept the USF job knowing what he had coming back at ECU.

Blurb from Ruff's TT Bio....
With McNeill at the defensive helm, the Red Raiders' defense improved in every defensive category.[5] Under Setencich, Tech ranked seventh in pass defense, ninth in total defense, and tenth in scoring defense in Big 12 Conference play. In nine games with McNeill, Tech improved to first in pass and total defense and
fourth in scoring defense.[10] The Red Raiders forced more punts and allowed fewer rushing and passing yards than they did to begin the season.[11] These vast improvements in the defense led Leach to drop the interim tag and make McNeill the full-time defensive coordinator

I think we all can agree that CUSA has some of the best offenses in the nation. Also, you're saying Holtz and Hudson left because your team was going to be garbage? Couldn't be they were offered much better positions at BCS schools? Some ecu fans are really delusional.

I don't think most reasonable fans would say that they only left because they knew they had a couple years or rebuilding ahead of them. Both of them received decent pay raises and moved to BCS conferences. Unlike UCF we had a coach that people actually wanted. But in reality your fan base is not any less delusional than ours...I mean seriously do you guys really think you will go undefeated and make it to a BCS bowl this year???? Talk about delusional..

(08-16-2011 03:11 PM)UCFmike Wrote:  

(08-16-2011 03:08 PM)ECU-DMB Fanatic Wrote:  

(08-16-2011 02:55 PM)jvllepirate Wrote:  I'm as big of an ecu supporter as anyone and I'll probably be called a closet whoever fan but do we have to take offense to everything negative that is said about us and shoot down anytime something good is said about ucf? If we can ever hold a team under 30 points again is still to be seen so saying we will be bad on defense and average on some years isn't that dumb of the question. Now last year was beyond bad as we probably had a total of 5 stops combined starting with navy. I just don't get some ecu fans who think they know it all and other fan bases are idiots. Maybe I need to read other teams boards lol. I'm sure were not the only group

Umm...It is all in good fun. Some good natured ribbing is fine and that is usually what you see here. If an ECU comes here and makes a post like this they will have to expect some ridicule for the way our defense was last year. I will hold all my enthusiasm until such time as I see how our defense performs.


Now for you UCF fans is your new old DC the same DC that was fired from Houston because his defenses sucked ass????

Same one, but he'll see a significant upgrade in defensive talent here. Besides, you could put bilbo baggins in at DC and our defense will still be good, GOL really runs the ship there.

Houston had some really good athletes on defense, so the problem may have been the scheme.

(08-16-2011 03:19 PM)ECU-DMB Fanatic Wrote:  

(08-16-2011 03:11 PM)UCFmike Wrote:  

(08-16-2011 03:08 PM)ECU-DMB Fanatic Wrote:  

(08-16-2011 02:55 PM)jvllepirate Wrote:  I'm as big of an ecu supporter as anyone and I'll probably be called a closet whoever fan but do we have to take offense to everything negative that is said about us and shoot down anytime something good is said about ucf? If we can ever hold a team under 30 points again is still to be seen so saying we will be bad on defense and average on some years isn't that dumb of the question. Now last year was beyond bad as we probably had a total of 5 stops combined starting with navy. I just don't get some ecu fans who think they know it all and other fan bases are idiots. Maybe I need to read other teams boards lol. I'm sure were not the only group

Umm...It is all in good fun. Some good natured ribbing is fine and that is usually what you see here. If an ECU comes here and makes a post like this they will
have to expect some ridicule for the way our defense was last year. I will hold all my enthusiasm until such time as I see how our defense performs.


Now for you UCF fans is your new old DC the same DC that was fired from Houston because his defenses sucked ass????

Same one, but he'll see a significant upgrade in defensive talent here. Besides, you could put bilbo baggins in at DC and our defense will still be good, GOL really runs the ship there.

Ok that is good to know...So I guess since there will be no change in coaching we should expect to once again torch your supreme defense like we did last year. Too bad our defense was so bad that they could not even get one stop in that game.

Another moral victory letter from Holland?

I wouldn't consider the coaching job at USF a much better position.

Have to see it on the field before I start applauding ECU's defense. If they turn out to be good, I'll be the first to congratulate you. But until then, after last year and using a new scheme, I won't think twice about any bravado coming from an internet forum.

(08-16-2011 03:50 PM)UCFmike Wrote:  

(08-16-2011 03:19 PM)ECU-DMB Fanatic Wrote:  

(08-16-2011 03:11 PM)UCFmike Wrote:  

(08-16-2011 03:08 PM)ECU-DMB Fanatic Wrote:  

(08-16-2011 02:55 PM)jvllepirate Wrote:  I'm as big of an ecu supporter as anyone and I'll probably be called a closet whoever fan but do we have to take offense to everything negative that is said about us and shoot down anytime something good is said about ucf? If we can ever hold a team under 30 points again is still to be seen so saying we will be bad on defense and average on some years isn't that dumb of the question. Now last year was beyond bad as we probably had a total of 5 stops combined starting with navy. I just don't get some ecu fans who think they know it all and other fan bases are idiots. Maybe I need to read other teams boards lol. I'm sure were not the only group

Umm...It is all in good fun. Some good natured ribbing is fine and that is usually
what you see here. If an ECU comes here and makes a post like this they will
have to expect some ridicule for the way our defense was last year. I will hold all my enthusiasm until such time as I see how our defense performs.


Now for you UCF fans is your new old DC the same DC that was fired from Houston because his defenses sucked ass????

Same one, but he'll see a significant upgrade in defensive talent here. Besides, you could put bilbo baggins in at DC and our defense will still be good, GOL really runs the ship there.

Ok that is good to know...So I guess since there will be no change in coaching we should expect to once again torch your supreme defense like we did last year. Too bad our defense was so bad that they could not even get one stop in that game.

Another moral victory letter from Holland?

Wow...That was weak. I never said anything about moral victories, I just said we torched your all world defense for more points than any other team...Just facts. You guys won the game due to our horrid defense....You surely did not win it because of your defense.

(08-16-2011 03:53 PM)NothingButKnight Wrote:  Have to see it on the field before I start applauding ECU's defense. If they turn out to be good, I'll be the first to congratulate you. But until then, after last year and using a new scheme, I won't think twice about any bravado coming from an internet forum.

I agree 100%

(08-16-2011 04:20 PM)ECU-DMB Fanatic Wrote:  

(08-16-2011 03:50 PM)UCFmike Wrote:  

(08-16-2011 03:19 PM)ECU-DMB Fanatic Wrote:  

(08-16-2011 03:11 PM)UCFmike Wrote:  

(08-16-2011 03:08 PM)ECU-DMB Fanatic Wrote:  Umm...It is all in good fun. Some good natured ribbing is fine and that is usually
what you see here. If an ECU comes here and makes a post like this they will
have to expect some ridicule for the way our defense was last year. I will hold all my enthusiasm until such time as I see how our defense performs.


Now for you UCF fans is your new old DC the same DC that was fired from Houston because his defenses sucked ass????

Same one, but he'll see a significant upgrade in defensive talent here. Besides, you could put bilbo baggins in at DC and our defense will still be good, GOL really runs the ship there.

Ok that is good to know...So I guess since there will be no change in coaching we should expect to once again torch your supreme defense like we did last year. Too bad our defense was so bad that they could not even get one stop in that game.

Another moral victory letter from Holland?

Wow...That was weak. I never said anything about moral victories, I just said we torched your all world defense for more points than any other team...Just facts. You guys won the game due to our horrid defense....You surely did not win it because of your defense.

you scored more points against UCF than anyone else and are bragging about it? thats a moral victory. Nobody in this thread said UCF had an all world defense, only that ECU's is terrible and will be for some time to come.

(08-16-2011 04:32 PM)UCFmike Wrote:  

(08-16-2011 04:20 PM)ECU-DMB Fanatic Wrote:  

(08-16-2011 03:50 PM)UCFmike Wrote:  

(08-16-2011 03:19 PM)ECU-DMB Fanatic Wrote:  

(08-16-2011 03:11 PM)UCFmike Wrote:  Same one, but he'll see a significant upgrade in defensive talent here. Besides, you could put bilbo baggins in at DC and our defense will still be good, GOL really runs the ship there.

Ok that is good to know...So I guess since there will be no change in coaching we should expect to once again torch your supreme defense like we did last year. Too bad our defense was so bad that they could
not even get one stop in that game.

Another moral victory letter from Holland?

Wow...That was weak. I never said anything about moral victories, I just said we torched your all world defense for more points than any other team...Just facts.
You guys won the game due to our horrid defense....You surely did not win it because of your defense.

you scored more points against UCF than anyone else and are bragging about it?
thats a moral victory. Nobody in this thread said UCF had an all world defense, only that ECU's is terrible and will be for some time to come.

No, not bragging about it....You are the ones acting you guys had the freaking steel curtain for defense. Just pointing out that a quality offense could torch you so called great defense so there was no need for you guys to act like UCF is defense University. This thread is about defense...I said you guys beat us....I said our defense sucked...I was just trying to take you guys off your high horse a little about your vaunted defense.