(08-17-2011 12:41 PM)converrl Wrote:  So....Obama is going to create jobs...all by himself? How is he going to do that exactly? By dictating what businesses should do as a result of his own predilections? How can he possibly see that far down the road? Nostradamus couldn't even do that--it would be similar to predicting the weather 300 years from now....

Wouldn't it be better to let the economy meet the demands of the consumer based on what the consumer actually wants? Or do you prefer Obama telling the consumer what they want and then forcing them to purchase the products he approves of?

That's called a command and control economy...

It's NEVER worked...

You don't need to be nostradamus to see the problems with the country. what I don't get is how he is blamed for the lack of jobs yet you also don't want him to take any steps to fix the problems.

(08-17-2011 03:36 PM)Vottomatic Wrote:  Geez, the sub-prime mortgage problem started under Clinton. That's how far back that crap goes. I remember buying a couple of homes in and around 1996 to 1999 and each time, they were trying to offer me these special new mortgages that started out with a sub-prime low rate and increased each year. That started under Clinton's watch, but nobody ever brings that up.

Under Clinton, they juiced the economy with steroids and Al Gore invented the internet, which caused all hell to break loose. The economy on steroids is what the 90's should be called in all History Books from now on. Basically, they gave everyone what they wanted, even if they couldn't afford it.

Now we're paying for what most people couldn't afford to begin with.

so what you are saying is you're gonna go with excuse number one from my list

(08-17-2011 04:58 PM)b Wrote:  

(08-17-2011 03:36 PM)Vottomatic Wrote:  Geez, the sub-prime mortgage problem started under Clinton. That's how far back that crap goes. I remember buying a couple of homes in and around 1996 to 1999 and each time, they were trying to offer me these special new mortgages that started out with a sub-prime low rate and increased each year. That started under Clinton's watch, but nobody ever brings that up.

Under Clinton, they juiced the economy with steroids and Al Gore invented the internet, which caused all hell to break loose. The economy on steroids is what the 90's should be called in all History Books from now on. Basically, they gave everyone what they wanted, even if they couldn't afford it.

Now we're paying for what most people couldn't afford to begin with.

so what you are saying is you're gonna go with excuse number one from my list

If I lived it, how is it an excuse? If I was offered a sub-prime mortgage back in the late 90's, how is it an excuse? Why do they call it the sub-prime mortgage crisis, if it isn't real?

All I said is this problem started before Bush. Sure, Bush is to blame too. He allowed it to continue on. I just feel people don't go back far enough. And alot of people got rich in the 90's, and it was simply because the government juiced the economy with all these gimmicks.

You don't think this is a 15 year problem that has been building and building and building with politicians who've continued to allow it to happen, from the president, to the Congress, to the Fed, Fanny Mae, etc..........I frankly feel like a huge crime has been committed against all American people. But there is no way to hold them accountable.

It just so happens that when it started, the first president, Clinton, was a democrat. The second president, Bush, was a Republican. The third idiot is a democrat also. All are to blame. It just so happens that 2 of them were democrats. In the big scheme of life, it doesn't matter what they are. They've all been crooks. And none have stopped the bleeding yet.

(08-17-2011 05:54 PM)Vottomatic Wrote:  

(08-17-2011 04:58 PM)b Wrote:  

(08-17-2011 03:36 PM)Vottomatic Wrote:  Geez, the sub-prime mortgage problem started under Clinton. That's how far back that crap goes. I remember buying a couple of homes in and around 1996 to 1999 and each time, they were trying to offer me these special new mortgages that started out with a sub-prime low rate and increased each year. That started under Clinton's watch, but nobody ever brings that up.

Under Clinton, they juiced the economy with steroids and Al Gore invented the internet, which caused all hell to break loose. The economy on steroids is what the 90's should be called in all History Books from now on. Basically, they gave everyone what they wanted, even if they couldn't afford it.

Now we're paying for what most people couldn't afford to begin with.

so what you are saying is you're gonna go with excuse number one from my list

If I lived it, how is it an excuse? If I was offered a sub-prime mortgage back in the late 90's, how is it an excuse? Why do they call it the sub-prime mortgage crisis, if it isn't real?

All I said is this problem started before Bush. Sure, Bush is to blame too. He allowed it to continue on. I just feel people don't go back far enough. And alot of people got rich in the 90's, and it was simply because the government juiced the economy with all these gimmicks.

You don't think this is a 15 year problem that has been building and building and building with politicians who've continued to allow it to happen, from the president, to the Congress, to the Fed, Fanny Mae, etc..........I frankly feel like a huge crime has been committed against all American people. But there is no way to hold them accountable.

It just so happens that when it started, the first president, Clinton, was a democrat. The second president, Bush, was a Republican. The third idiot is a democrat also. All are to blame. It just so happens that 2 of them were democrats. In the big scheme of life, it doesn't matter what they are. They've all been crooks. And none have stopped the bleeding yet.

we all lived it and it was my most profitable time. Sorry it did not work out for everyone. I did great in the stock market to the point I thought I had special powers. made great money. The 1990s has to be the longest, most prolific period of growth in US history. I'd take it back in a heartbeat.

but to your point, if clinton was the problem (as my excuse list said you guys would blame) and bush didn't do any better. Why is obama the idiot? Why don't he get to pass the buck the way bush do?

a problem with the 90's that you overlooked is companies stop wanting an honest profit and wanted quarterly growth. that's what screwed the pooch.

c'mon chatter, say something nice about obama. don't his left handed jumper remind you of damon flint?

A hipster radical who has never had a job, and goal in life is to be a socialist president isn't good.

(08-17-2011 04:52 PM)b Wrote:  

(08-17-2011 12:41 PM)converrl Wrote:  So....Obama is going to create jobs...all by himself? How is he going to do that exactly? By dictating what businesses should do as a result of his own predilections? How can he possibly see that far down the road? Nostradamus couldn't even do that--it would be similar to predicting the weather 300 years from now....

Wouldn't it be better to let the economy meet the demands of the consumer based on what the consumer actually wants? Or do you prefer Obama telling the consumer what they want and then forcing them to purchase the products he approves of?

That's called a command and control economy...

It's NEVER worked...

You don't need to be nostradamus to see the problems with the country. what I don't get is how he is blamed for the lack of jobs yet you also don't want him to take any steps to fix the problems.

He could fix the problem by LEAVING THE ECONOMY ALONE!!!!!!

1. QUIT OVERSPENDING
2. QUIT OVERTAXING
3. QUIT TELLING BUSINESSES & CONSUMERS WHAT THEY CAN AND CAN'T DO

LEAVE THE ECONOMY ALONE!!!!!!!!!


All I want him to do.....is go away and leave the country alone....

Quote:He could fix the problem by LEAVING THE ECONOMY ALONE!!!!!!

then what would the good people at fox talk about?

Quote:1. QUIT OVERSPENDING

A Typical BS response. what you really mean is stop spending money on things I don't approve of.

Quote:2. QUIT OVERTAXING

Again with the cookie cutter talking point complaint. we are still uing bush's tax rate, yet you are hell bent on believing he's raised taxes tenfold. i think the only tax he raised was on cigarettes. that hurts him more then me. i don't smoke.

Quote:3. QUIT TELLING BUSINESSES & CONSUMERS WHAT THEY CAN AND CAN'T DO

another lame ********* scheme to get people to think any law or regulation is the government taking away your rights. I'm an electrician by trade. t one time one out of every two electricians died on the job. I'm damn glad the government steps in with regulations. Ask some of those people who got cancer while living near fernuld if they want the gubment regulating.

In closing, I enjoy talking politics with chatter because he and i speak from our own experiences rather then just regurgitating stuff we heard from the talking heads who are not accountable for anything they say.

(08-18-2011 04:54 PM)b Wrote:  ...then what would the good people at fox talk about?

They'd be happy with the state of the economy.

Quote:A Typical BS response. what you really mean is stop spending money on things I don't approve of.

Nope--I'm already on record several times on the board for an ACROSS THE BOARD spending cut.

Quote:Again with the cookie cutter talking point complaint. we are still using bush's tax rate, yet you are hell bent on believing he's raised taxes tenfold. i think the only tax he raised was on cigarettes. that hurts him more then me. i don't smoke.

Nope:
http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/...get-a.html

You have to realize that the markets react to policies such as those proposed above--it's one of the reasons for the crash. But it's the SPENDING more than the taxing that's the problem at the moment.

Quote:another lame ********* scheme to get people to think any law or regulation is the government taking away your rights. I'm an electrician by trade. t one time one out of every two electricians died on the job. I'm damn glad the government steps in with regulations. Ask some of those people who got cancer while living near fernuld if they want the gubment regulating.

1st of all, I'm not a *********--I keep my junk away from public view (and I don't see what a sexual practice has to do with economic policy anyway). I've got a question for you since you are an electrician by trade--why don't you rail away at your own industry? The implementation of electricity ended the gaslight era! Think of all those lost jobs! If we got rid of electricity we could create thousands of jobs! But that's simply a sidebar--if you can't find a single government regulation that is superfluous, then you are deliberately attempting to paint a rosy picture of a boondoggle that strangles small business at every turn.

Source:

http://money.cnn.com/2011/01/11/news/eco.../index.htm

Quote:They'd be happy with the state of the economy.

riiight. If only obama realized he can't please the right. hell he got osama and they slap him in the face by running a ticker saying "obama is dead". then giving the credit to bush.

I'm not buying that BS.

Quote:I've got a question for you since you are an electrician by trade--why don't you rail away at your own industry? The implementation of electricity ended the gaslight era! Think of all those lost jobs! If we got rid of electricity we could create thousands of jobs!

for one gaslights were before my time, not my fight. I'm assuming electrical work replaced installing gaslights? what job or industry is replacing all the outsourced manufacturing jobs? the electrical industry keeps my lights on (wow that was a pun). unlike a lot of republicans--I support things that work in my best interest. rush limbaugh can scream about increased taxes on the rich because he's rich. then he have you guys do his leg work. I bet he could give a damn about the potholes in your roads or your wages not keeping up with inflation.

Quote:-if you can't find a single government regulation that is superfluous, then you are deliberately attempting to paint a rosy picture of a boondoggle that strangles small business at every turn.

I guess i'm not as self centered as you. what may be superfluous to you may not be to others. I'm sorry we can't live in a world where everything caters to you.
I can give you a pretty good list of things that hurt small business more then regulations. I think I did in a past thread.

I think that lady that ran for VP is so sexy!!! :-) whats her name Palin?

(08-18-2011 09:11 PM)b Wrote:  

Quote:They'd be happy with the state of the economy.

riiight. If only obama realized he can't please the right. hell he got osama and they slap him in the face by running a ticker saying "obama is dead". then giving the credit to bush.

I'm not buying that BS.

Quote:I've got a question for you since you are an electrician by trade--why don't you rail away at your own industry? The implementation of electricity ended the gaslight era! Think of all those lost jobs! If we got rid of electricity we could create thousands of jobs!

for one gaslights were before my time, not my fight. I'm assuming electrical work replaced installing gaslights? what job or industry is replacing all the outsourced manufacturing jobs? the electrical industry keeps my lights on (wow that was a pun). unlike a lot of republicans--I support things that work in my best interest. rush limbaugh can scream about increased taxes on the rich because he's rich. then he have you guys do his leg work. I bet he could give a damn about the potholes in your roads or your wages not keeping up with inflation.

Quote:-if you can't find a single government regulation that is superfluous, then you are deliberately attempting to paint a rosy picture of a boondoggle that strangles small business at every turn.

I guess i'm not as self centered as you. what may be superfluous to you may not be to others. I'm sorry we can't live in a world where everything caters to you.
I can give you a pretty good list of things that hurt small business more then regulations. I think I did in a past thread.

B I didn't realize Obama got Osama. I thought it was our Military, but I'm sure you and the DNC will assure us that it was all
Obama's idea and planning when OBama2012 campaign sees the polling numbers.

dang b, who pooped in your Maypo? when you gonna run for office?

you've gotten positively chatty. maybe it's a b in your bonnet.

(08-19-2011 10:26 AM)BearcatBeta Wrote:  

(08-18-2011 09:11 PM)b Wrote:  

Quote:They'd be happy with the state of the economy.

riiight. If only obama realized he can't please the right. hell he got osama and they slap him in the face by running a ticker saying "obama is dead". then giving the credit to bush.

I'm not buying that BS.

Quote:I've got a question for you since you are an electrician by trade--why don't you rail away at your own industry? The implementation of electricity ended the gaslight era! Think of all those lost jobs! If we got rid of electricity we could create thousands of jobs!

for one gaslights were before my time, not my fight. I'm assuming electrical work replaced installing gaslights? what job or industry is replacing all the outsourced manufacturing jobs? the electrical industry keeps my lights on (wow that was a pun). unlike a lot of republicans--I support things that work in my best interest. rush limbaugh can scream about increased taxes on the rich because he's rich. then he have you guys do his leg work. I bet he could give a damn about the potholes in your roads or your wages not keeping up with inflation.

Quote:-if you can't find a single government regulation that is superfluous, then you are deliberately attempting to paint a rosy picture of a boondoggle that strangles small business at every turn.

I guess i'm not as self centered as you. what may be superfluous to you may not be to others. I'm sorry we can't live in a world where everything caters to you.
I can give you a pretty good list of things that hurt small business more then regulations. I think I did in a past thread.

B I didn't realize Obama got Osama. I thought it was our Military, but I'm sure you and the DNC will assure us that it was all
Obama's idea and planning when OBama2012 campaign sees the polling numbers.

If you give Obama the credit for the successful Seals mission getting bin Laden, does he also get the blame for the tragic Seals helicopter mission?

(08-19-2011 10:26 AM)BearcatBeta Wrote:  B I didn't realize Obama got Osama. I thought it was our Military, but I'm sure you and the DNC will assure us that it was all
Obama's idea and planning when OBama2012 campaign sees the polling numbers.

(08-19-2011 12:11 PM)Bearhawkeye Wrote:  If you give Obama the credit for the successful Seals mission getting bin Laden, does he also get the blame for the tragic Seals helicopter mission?

to kill to birds with one stone.

you guys gave bush credit for "keeping us safe" right. hell he even flew in with a fighter suit on.

you guys tell me the rules, just make sure they apply to both side.

he gets blamed for the seal mission if it falls under your term in office. bush gets blamed for 911 as well in my book.

(08-19-2011 11:32 AM)gruehls Wrote:  dang b, who pooped in your Maypo? when you gonna run for office?

you've gotten positively chatty. maybe it's a b in your bonnet.

nobody is talking basketball and I no longer want mick fired. what else is it for me to do?

(08-19-2011 02:30 PM)b Wrote:  

(08-19-2011 10:26 AM)BearcatBeta Wrote:  B I didn't realize Obama got Osama. I thought it was our Military, but I'm sure you and the DNC will assure us that it was all
Obama's idea and planning when OBama2012 campaign sees the polling numbers.

(08-19-2011 12:11 PM)Bearhawkeye Wrote:  If you give Obama the credit for the successful Seals mission getting bin Laden, does he also get the blame for the tragic Seals helicopter mission?

to kill to birds with one stone.

you guys gave bush credit for "keeping us safe" right. hell he even flew in with a fighter suit on.

you guys tell me the rules, just make sure they apply to both side.

he gets blamed for the seal mission if it falls under your term in office. bush gets blamed for 911 as well in my book.

The way I see it is..........if the previous administration gets the blame for everything that comes to pass after they leave office, then they get credit for everything good that happens too.

Bush got Bin Laden. Not Obamaboy.

debate me on my SHOW?!!!!!!

[/b]Obama approval hits all-time low of 38% in Gallup daily tracking poll
http://www.nypost.com/p/news/politics/ob...z1VxUQKvcM

1% drop per 2 weeks.,,nice trend, have another ICE Cream Mr OB.

(08-18-2011 09:11 PM)b Wrote:  

Quote:They'd be happy with the state of the economy.

riiight. If only obama realized he can't please the right. hell he got osama and they slap him in the face by running a ticker saying "obama is dead". then giving the credit to bush.

I'm not buying that BS.

......and I'm not giving Obama any credit ever for the military and CIA getting Bin ladin. First thing Obama did was say "on my command".........talk about BS........Obama was against the war back then and anything that had to do with overseas. He just happens to be president now and all the effort the last 10 years to find Bin Ladin just happened under his watch. He had ZILCH to do with getting Bin Ladin except he got a phone call and they told the POTUS they had Bin Ladin, can we get him? What was he gonna say? No.....he's my muslim brother, don't hurt him? Obama was just flat out lucky that the real covert operatives found Bin Ladin under his watch. And he surely took a ton of credit for it. HE DESERVES ABOUT 1%. Give thanks to Bush, Homeland Security, the CIA, the Navy Seals, our spies, and everyone else working hard the last 10 years to get that arsehole. But don't give that Liberal Jack-Off in the office any credit. He deserves NONE.

Big thx to Seal Team #6 and to the CIA for finding him.