Be mindful of who the source is on this. It is an associate AD. I doubt he is responsible for setting the policy for the Syracuse athletic department.

Terry Holland knows what he is doing. He is not going to burn bridges especially ones he may need to cross.

Relax. None of us know what happened behind closed doors.

Up to this point, I like what TH has done as an AD. By all indications, he would not be dumb enough to alienate people who could effect his school's future.

RIVER CITY PIRATE Wrote:Be mindful of who the source is on this. It is an associate AD. I doubt he is responsible for setting the policy for the Syracuse athletic department.

Terry Holland knows what he is doing. He is not going to burn bridges especially ones he may need to cross.

Relax. None of us know what happened behind closed doors.

I can guarantee you that the Assoc AD has to go through his boss before telling the press anything. Again Syracuse owes ECU NOTHING. They played you in a home and home series, and that means they should do everything in their power to get you in the BE. One has nothing to do with the other. Tulane will play LSU in a 10 year home and home series. I guess by your logic Tulanes entry form into the SEC should be in the mail any day now. You failed to honor a road game in a home and home, period.

cardtopper Wrote:Up to this point, I like what TH has done as an AD. By all indications, he would not be dumb enough to alienate people who could effect his school's future.

I don't think anyone can question what Holland has done with our schedule. I would say it is almost perfect for what we needed. This was just part of what had to be done to get that schedule. I put all my trust in him TH on that aspect.

One thing. I have read on this board more than once that Holland was "begging and groveling at the feet of the Big East to let us ECU in". I always thought that was BS, and I think it is pretty clear TH has done no such thing. I think his attitude is either you want us or you don't, that is your choice not ours, until then we are looking out for ourselves like you guys obviously did.

St. Patrick Eagle Wrote:

RIVER CITY PIRATE Wrote:Be mindful of who the source is on this.  It is an associate AD.  I doubt he is responsible for setting the policy for the Syracuse athletic department.

Terry Holland knows what he is doing.  He is not going to burn bridges especially ones he may need to cross.

Relax.  None of us know what happened behind closed doors.

I can guarantee you that the Assoc AD has to go through his boss before telling the press anything. Again Syracuse owes ECU NOTHING. They played you in a home and home series, and that means they should do everything in their power to get you in the BE. One has nothing to do with the other. Tulane will play LSU in a 10 year home and home series. I guess by your logic Tulanes entry form into the SEC should be in the mail any day now. You failed to honor a road game in a home and home, period.

Exactly. And ECU does not have the right to demand future series. Current series is a signed contract and they need to honor it. Just because some other schools decided to come with a long term offer does not mean ECU can just not live up to the CUSE contract. IF Cuse wants to play ECU for long term, it should be a seperate contract than the current one.

Either way, I think ECU has pissed off Cuse and thats not a good thing for them to build relationship with BE schools.

St. Patrick Eagle Wrote:

RIVER CITY PIRATE Wrote:Be mindful of who the source is on this.  It is an associate AD.  I doubt he is responsible for setting the policy for the Syracuse athletic department.

Terry Holland knows what he is doing.  He is not going to burn bridges especially ones he may need to cross.

Relax.  None of us know what happened behind closed doors.

I can guarantee you that the Assoc AD has to go through his boss before telling the press anything. Again Syracuse owes ECU NOTHING. They played you in a home and home series, and that means they should do everything in their power to get you in the BE. One has nothing to do with the other. Tulane will play LSU in a 10 year home and home series. I guess by your logic Tulanes entry form into the SEC should be in the mail any day now. You failed to honor a road game in a home and home, period.

:stupid:

This really isn't that hard to understand.

1st off the SEC isn't expanding or looking to expand so your logic is clearly already flawed. Those teams play for an entirely different reason anyway, tradition from when Tulane was in the SEC and many years of playing afterwords. The Big East on the other hand has always pretty much been in the market for expanding by another team seeing how they only had 8 for years, and when they were looted and left with 5 teams, they need teams and had a choice but had to restock..

I never said it was a ticket to the Big East, but we were obviously good for business with them playing them Home and Home for 10 years pretty much straight, and how they are getting so worked up over this game. If they didn't care it wouldn't be a big deal.

Let me ask you this why do you think we played them that many years? Clearly to build a relationship towards getting in the Big East. We were good enough to play home and home we should be good enough for atleast them to advocate for the conference. Everyone knows where we stand with the Big East. Our position now is if you want to play us you know how that is possible, until you want to step up and take that next step, we have other options as well and whats the point in continuing the relationship if you aren't going to step up, we have to look out for ourself.

StillJonesing Wrote:One thing. I have read on this board more than once that Holland was "begging and groveling at the feet of the Big East to let us ECU in".

When did anyone say that!?

StillJonesing Wrote:Let me ask you this why do you think we played them that many years? Clearly to build a relationship towards getting in the Big East. We were good enough to play home and home we should be good enough for atleast them to advocate for the conference. Everyone knows where we stand with the Big East. Our position now is if you want to play us you know how that is possible, until you want to step up and take that next step, we have other options as well and whats the point in continuing the relationship if you aren't going to step up, we have to look out for ourself.

That's ridiculous logic. That's like saying UC should advocate Miami-OH getting into the Big East since we play them every year. I didn't see Ohio State and Wisconsin pushing for us to get into the Big Ten. Just because you play a series with a team doesn't mean they should automatically push for you to enter into their conference. To say that the only way Syracuse should ask to play East Carolina is to push for them to get into the Big East is ridiculous and arrogant.

Cat's_Claw Wrote:That's like saying UC should advocate Miami-OH getting into the Big East since we play them every year.

You could do a lot worse. Regardless, ECU's decision appears to be Miami's good fortune as it has paved the way for another solid team to visit Oxford in the coming years. Our fans seem to be very pleased with this.

Cat's_Claw Wrote:

StillJonesing Wrote:One thing. I have read on this board more than once that Holland was "begging and groveling at the feet of the Big East to let us ECU in".

When did anyone say that!?

good question. i ran "begging and groveling" and "begging and grovelling" for any date in this forum, and the only usage is jonesy's.

DevilGrad Wrote:

Cat's_Claw Wrote:That's like saying UC should advocate Miami-OH getting into the Big East since we play them every year.

You could do a lot worse. Regardless, ECU's decision appears to be Miami's good fortune as it has paved the way for another solid team to visit Oxford in the coming years. Our fans seem to be very pleased with this.

might well be we could do worse, but that wasn't really the point.

the heritage of uc vs. miami doesn't entitle either program to insist upon the admission of the other into their respective conference solely because they played each other for years (a lot more years than ecu/syracuse).

i think that's what was being suggested.

Cat's_Claw Wrote:I'm pretty sure ECU has p*ssed off a lot of people. I don't know about other schools but I do know that Cincinnati is VERY close to Syracuse, and has been for years. So that's at least 2 votes ECU wouldn't get in expansion. Talking about making yourself persona non grata in a freaking hurry when it comes to BCS conference position!

Not sure if you remember but Cinci actually gave up a game with Purdue to help Syracuse out of the crap ECU left us in about 4 months prior to the 2004 season. Cinci then agreed to come to the Dome withour conditions--and gave up a home game with Ball St to Purdue to fix the mess stupid ECU created. That is what a future/fellow conference member does. Hear that ECU?

ECU's problem at the time? they overscheduled and kept Duke for the win in 2004 rather than a near sure loss at the Carrier Dome in 2004. ECU used to be a favorite team of mine--they are dead to me, now...

TexanMark Wrote:Not sure if you remember but Cinci actually gave up a game with Purdue to help Syracuse out of the crap ECU left us in about 4 months prior to the 2004 season.  Cinci then agreed to come to the Dome withour conditions--and gave up a home game with Ball St to Purdue to fix the mess stupid ECU created.  That is what a future/fellow conference member does.  Hear that ECU?

ECU's problem at the time?  they overscheduled and kept Duke for the win in 2004 rather than a near sure loss at the Carrier Dome in 2004.  ECU used to be a favorite team of mine--they are dead to me, now...

gave the orange a pretty good run that day too.

gruehls Wrote:

DevilGrad Wrote:

Cat's_Claw Wrote:That's like saying UC should advocate Miami-OH getting into the Big East since we play them every year.

You could do a lot worse. Regardless, ECU's decision appears to be Miami's good fortune as it has paved the way for another solid team to visit Oxford in the coming years. Our fans seem to be very pleased with this.

might well be we could do worse, but that wasn't really the point.

the heritage of uc vs. miami doesn't entitle either program to insist upon the admission of the other into their respective conference solely because they played each other for years (a lot more years than ecu/syracuse).

i think that's what was being suggested.

I understood the point and didn't try to argue the other way. Even Stevie Wonder can see what UC's institutional incentives are here.

All I'm saying is that Syracuse is a nice pick-up for us. Maybe I should send a brie basket to Terry Holland (and apologize for yelling "FOOD LION! FOOD LION!" at him all the time when he was on the sidelines at Cameron Indoor).

Cat's_Claw Wrote:

StillJonesing Wrote:Let me ask you this why do you think we played them that many years?  Clearly to build a relationship towards getting in the Big East. We were good enough to play home and home we should be good enough for atleast them to advocate for the conference.  Everyone knows where we stand with the Big East. Our position now is if you want to play us you know how that is possible, until you want to step up and take that next step, we have other options as well and whats the point in continuing the relationship if you aren't going to step up, we have to look out for ourself.

That's ridiculous logic. That's like saying UC should advocate Miami-OH getting into the Big East since we play them every year. I didn't see Ohio State and Wisconsin pushing for us to get into the Big Ten. Just because you play a series with a team doesn't mean they should automatically push for you to enter into their conference. To say that the only way Syracuse should ask to play East Carolina is to push for them to get into the Big East is ridiculous and arrogant.

Hey Cats Claw, I agree totally. I was thinking of your series with Miami as an example. I hope that the home and home series that ECU has lined up with those ACC teams doesn't include ECU travelling for the last game of the contract. They might not honor it, if they aren't given admission to the ACC by 2010.

DevilGrad Wrote:I understood the point and didn't try to argue the other way.  Even Stevie Wonder can see what UC's institutional incentives are here. 

All I'm saying is that Syracuse is a nice pick-up for us.  Maybe I should send a brie basket to Terry Holland (and apologize for yelling "FOOD LION!  FOOD LION!" at him all the time when he was on the sidelines at Cameron Indoor).

i figured you as a brie and chablis kinda guy.

course, i figured you as a bentley arnage man with a trailer hitch, not some prole, M class, guy.

so much to learn; so little time.

uc 26 hawks 17.

There are quite a few Bentleys where I live (Patrick Ewing's, btw, is the nicest of the bunch), but I've never seen one with a trailer hitch.

Heck, even the M-Class will have to wait for me, as the Devil Children are about eight years away from consuming enormous amounts of college tuition.

(FWIW, the standard Miami stereotype is brie and merlot, although I suspect that may have changed since "Sideways" came out.)

Have a good weekend.

DevilGrad Wrote:There are quite a few Bentleys where I live (Patrick Ewing's, btw, is the nicest of the bunch), but I've never seen one with a trailer hitch. 

Heck, even the M-Class will have to wait for me, as the Devil Children are about eight years away from consuming enormous amounts of college tuition. 

(FWIW, the standard Miami stereotype is brie and merlot, although I suspect that may have changed since "Sideways" came out.)

Have a good weekend.

we should compare notes someday.

i go with with no merlots, no pinots, no red anything (especially wines and football team colors). malted beverages in all varieties are a-ok, so long as they are not red (except killian's).

a good weekend to your doing-no-good-yet-remaining-conspicuous personage as well.

St. Patrick Eagle Wrote:Hey Cats Claw, I agree totally. I was thinking of your series with Miami as an example. I hope that the home and home series that ECU has lined up with those ACC teams doesn't include ECU travelling for the last game of the contract. They might not honor it, if they aren't given admission to the ACC by 2010.

lol! ECU fans might think we're just cracking on them, but look at it from our angle! You're basically saying that you don't care if Syracuse upsets you because they didn't push for you to get into the Big East because you played them. That's crazy! If, at the end of the Virginia Tech contract the same thing happens to that series that happened to the Syracuse series will you rip VT for not getting you into the Big East originally, and then the ACC later when both conferences had openings?

DevilGrad Wrote:You could do a lot worse. Regardless, ECU's decision appears to be Miami's good fortune as it has paved the way for another solid team to visit Oxford in the coming years. Our fans seem to be very pleased with this.

UC and Miami-OH are to different animals then ECU/Syracuse situation. Either way, it worked out perfect for Miami-OH, because Syracuse is a very fine opponent to bring into Miami!

TexanMark Wrote:

Cat's_Claw Wrote:I'm pretty sure ECU has p*ssed off a lot of people.  I don't know about other schools but I do know that Cincinnati is VERY close to Syracuse, and has been for years.  So that's at least 2 votes ECU wouldn't get in expansion.  Talking about making yourself persona non grata in a freaking hurry when it comes to BCS conference position!

Not sure if you remember but Cinci actually gave up a game with Purdue to help Syracuse out of the crap ECU left us in about 4 months prior to the 2004 season. Cinci then agreed to come to the Dome withour conditions--and gave up a home game with Ball St to Purdue to fix the mess stupid ECU created. That is what a future/fellow conference member does. Hear that ECU?

ECU's problem at the time? they overscheduled and kept Duke for the win in 2004 rather than a near sure loss at the Carrier Dome in 2004. ECU used to be a favorite team of mine--they are dead to me, now...

I remember that! There was some serious last second wrangling on the part of Crouthamel and Goin to pull Syracuse out of that unnecessary mess, which was ridiculous to begin with. Thankfully it worked out, but it kind of ticked people off. We play a lot of Big Ten teams in order to get Midwest exposure, and to have to drop that game hurt a bit. But it worked out in the end because the local media hyped up the UC/Syracuse game big time as a future Big East game and actually drummed up some serious excitement and exposure for UC. But it still cost UC and Syracuse in games and such, but it showed how tight the two universities really are to help each other so much. UC helping Syracuse with their scheduling and Syracuse (along with West Virginia) being the most vocal and active supporters of Cincinnati getting into the Big East. Just an all-around mess, something ECU might pay for down the road.