I'm not sure I can take another year of pi$$ing matches.

Ima say 0%

(06-04-2011 11:23 PM)animus Wrote:  Ima say 0%

That's what I'm figuring. This is going to be an interesting football season in CUSA.

Not much. It really depends on what kind of TV contract bids they receive.

0% IMO Expansion announcement [or not] will be after signing next TV contract, which may or may not be until Fall of 2012.

(06-04-2011 11:23 PM)animus Wrote:  Ima say 0%

Agreed. Gives UCF one more year to piss off the Bigeasr schools and fans.

I love our chances.

I could see the subject revisited after this football season. By then Villanova should have an answer to whether they can address the stadium issue. We will have another year's on the field performance to evaluate UCF, ECU, SMU, Houston, Memphis, and Temple. We will be 6 months closer to our negotiation window and I think that ESPN will come back with a new offer to head off the chance we take the product onto the open market.

(06-04-2011 11:22 PM)NoQuarter08 Wrote:  I'm not sure I can take another year of pi$$ing matches.

I give the post the Award for Best Post of the Year. As a CUSA fan, I would like BE to make its decision so CUSA can move on.

However, the very slow decision making process of BE...I highly compliment. Nothing has been taken off the table. And, by slowing things down, it appears to me that BE has opened up alternatives and opportunities. Furthermore, I think, as for the future, waiting will even open up more opportunites, not less.

A Hawaii Star-Advertiser article was posted on the MWC board this morning. What is all about? The issue is their MTN/Comcast tv contract and how it continues to plague them and restrict them. The MWC moved too quickly on this contract at its inception, and it has cost them dearly.

As a CUSA fan on the outside looking in to the BE, waiting is a virtue for the time being.

And, while on the subject of sound (sports) business decision making, I think CUSA leadership has done a good job too....given the cards they were dealt.

So while I would like this expansion business done with already, I don't think it will happen and will go on for at least another year.

30%

Well they will need to have their membership squared away prior to the TV negotiations.....I can not remember the date when ESPN's exclusive negotiation rights ends but I would say you will see things firmed up just prior to this date. My guess is that they will stay at 9 or possibly get to 10. Going to 12 for this next TV contract is probably not going to happen.

(06-05-2011 11:26 AM)ECU-DMB Fanatic Wrote:  Well they will need to have their membership squared away prior to the TV negotiations.....

Why?

I think a lot depends on how many games the networks want to broadcast.

I also wonder how interested the networks are in paying big bucks for games in regions where they already have contracts with other conferences just so they can introduce competition into these markets for the games they're already paying big bucks for.

None of the networks are willing to pay big bucks for CUSA games now, so why would they want to do so for these same games repackaged under the Big East logo?

Unless it's Villanova, I'd peg the chances of expansion in the near future at slim to none.

(06-05-2011 01:10 PM)Bill Marsh Wrote:  

(06-05-2011 11:26 AM)ECU-DMB Fanatic Wrote:  Well they will need to have their membership squared away prior to the TV negotiations.....

Why?

I think a lot depends on how many games the networks want to broadcast.

I also wonder how interested the networks are in paying big bucks for games in regions where they already have contracts with other conferences just so they can introduce competition into these markets for the games they're already paying big bucks for.

None of the networks are willing to pay big bucks for CUSA games now, so why would they want to do so for these same games repackaged under the Big East logo?

Unless it's Villanova, I'd peg the chances of expansion in the near future at slim to none.

Exactly. Expansion will likely be affected by what network(s) get the TV contract.

ESPN could care less if Big East football is played in Philly. They have the Big Ten for that market and ACC as back-up. I also don't see them caring about further Big East expansion into Florida or Texas or new expansion into North Carolina that much.

They might welcome the Big East taking BYU off their hands if helping the Cougars schedule these indy games is a headache for them. But that's about it.

However if it's Comcast/NBC that could be an entirely different scenario. They will likely want as many geographic/large market coverage as they can get.

Cheers,
Neil

(06-05-2011 11:26 AM)ECU-DMB Fanatic Wrote:  Well they will need to have their membership squared away prior to the TV negotiations.....I can not remember the date when ESPN's exclusive negotiation rights ends but I would say you will see things firmed up just prior to this date. My guess is that they will stay at 9 or possibly get to 10. Going to 12 for this next TV contract is probably not going to happen.

ESPN's exclusive negotiating window begins in September 2012 and I believe it runs for 60 days. So, in November 2012 the Big East could open up discussions to include all of the networks. Those discussions could go on for another couple of months, and I see no benefit to the conference to make expansion decisions before then (better to figure out who to add in consultation with the bidders, to maximize the contract's payout). So, my guess is that Big East expansion will remain on hold until spring 2013 when both the new members and new contract will be announced.

(06-05-2011 01:10 PM)Bill Marsh Wrote:  

(06-05-2011 11:26 AM)ECU-DMB Fanatic Wrote:  Well they will need to have their membership squared away prior to the TV negotiations.....

Why?

I think a lot depends on how many games the networks want to broadcast.

I also wonder how interested the networks are in paying big bucks for games in regions where they already have contracts with other conferences just so they can introduce competition into these markets for the games they're already paying big bucks for.

None of the networks are willing to pay big bucks for CUSA games now, so why
would they want to do so for these same games repackaged under the Big East
logo?

Unless it's Villanova, I'd peg the chances of expansion in the near future at slim to none.

Because your Commisioner said so and how are you going to negotiate your contract without the bidder knowing what teams will be in the conference. Now I am not saying you guys are going to expand at all but if they want to get to 10 or 12 right away them common sense would tell you that they would need to have all of that decided before they negotiate. Like I have said before I feel for the next
contract you guys will probably stay at 9 and possibly go to 10 but I just do not
think your guys will be going to 12 anytime soon.

By Iliana Limón, Orlando Sentinel
5:31 p.m. EDT, May 23, 2011

PONTE VEDRA BEACH -- Big East Commissioner John Marinatto said the league needs to get its expansion plans settled by September 2012 when it begins television contract negotiations.

The opportunity to pursue blockbuster television contracts has helped drive the latest wave of conference expansion and realignment. The Big East added TCU as a new member in December and the league is weighing the possibility of adding at least one more football program to its current lineup of 10 schools.

The Big East current has a television contract with ESPN that expires at the conclusion of the 2012-13 academic year. Marinatto said the Big East will begin a 60-day exclusive negotiation period with ESPN in September 2012.

When asked whether the Big East needs to enter those negotiations with all its membership questions resolved, Marinatto responded, "Oh yes. Yes. That's our goal. We need to before we go into that discussion, know what it is we are. We have to have an identity. We have to obviously have our membership squared away. And we will."

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/sports/co...3929.story

(06-05-2011 02:18 PM)HawaiiMongoose Wrote:  

(06-05-2011 11:26 AM)ECU-DMB Fanatic Wrote:  Well they will need to have their membership squared away prior to the TV negotiations.....I can not remember the date when ESPN's exclusive negotiation rights ends but I would say you will see things firmed up just prior to this date. My guess is that they will stay at 9 or possibly get to 10. Going to 12 for this next TV contract is probably not going to happen.

ESPN's exclusive negotiating window begins in September 2012 and I believe it runs for 60 days. So, in November 2012 the Big East could open up discussions to include all of the networks. Those discussions could go on for another couple of months, and I see no benefit to the conference to make expansion decisions before then (better to figure out who to add in consultation with the bidders, to maximize the contract's payout). So, my guess is that Big East expansion will remain on hold until spring 2013 when both the new members and new contract will be announced.

BE will have any/all additions prior to negotiations (fall of 2012) per commish. IMO, they will add #10 in next 2-3 months, just watch. Then, add #s 11/12 in before fall 2012.

They reason they will go to 12 is the payday will increase tremendously w/ 1) CCG, 2) new markets added and 3) the competition for TV rights --many FB members know this & are encouraging this. Look guys, there is a megadeal just waiting for them, they are the last conference to negotiate TV rights, ESPN, Comcast/ NBC, Fox will all be bidding, then BE will add new markets be it in Houston or NC/Va (possibly Orlando). They will get at least $15M per team in this deal, likely near $18M [PAC12 gets about $20-21M/ea], that folks is why the BE will not separate, the mega$$ is the driver for all of this. It's that simple.

(06-05-2011 02:18 PM)HawaiiMongoose Wrote:  

(06-05-2011 11:26 AM)ECU-DMB Fanatic Wrote:  Well they will need to have their membership squared away prior to the TV negotiations.....I can not remember the date when ESPN's exclusive negotiation rights ends but I would say you will see things firmed up just prior to this date. My guess is that they will stay at 9 or possibly get to 10. Going to 12 for this next TV contract is probably not going to happen.

ESPN's exclusive negotiating window begins in September 2012 and I believe it runs for 60 days. So, in November 2012 the Big East could open up discussions to include all of the networks. Those discussions could go on for another couple of months, and I see no benefit to the conference to make expansion decisions before then (better to figure out who to add in consultation with the bidders, to maximize the contract's payout). So, my guess is that Big East expansion will remain on hold until spring 2013 when both the new members and new contract will be announced.

I see your point in this, but here's my idea. Can they not talk to ESPN about potential expansion scenarios now? My point being that unless the BE is determined to test the market, they are wasting time with whoever they want to take. An extra year of recruiting and media attention would only help which team/teams they decided to add, thus adding to the overall value.

(06-05-2011 03:58 PM)beacherpirate Wrote:  

(06-05-2011 02:18 PM)HawaiiMongoose Wrote:  

(06-05-2011 11:26 AM)ECU-DMB Fanatic Wrote:  Well they will need to have their membership squared away prior to the TV negotiations.....I can not remember the date when ESPN's exclusive negotiation rights ends but I would say you will see things firmed up just prior to this date. My guess is that they will stay at 9 or possibly get to 10. Going to 12 for this next TV contract is probably not going to happen.

ESPN's exclusive negotiating window begins in September 2012 and I believe it runs for 60 days. So, in November 2012 the Big East could open up discussions to include all of the networks. Those discussions could go on for another couple of months, and I see no benefit to the conference to make expansion decisions before then (better to figure out who to add in consultation with the bidders, to maximize the contract's payout). So, my guess is that Big East expansion will
remain on hold until spring 2013 when both the new members and new contract will be announced.

I see your point in this, but here's my idea. Can they not talk to ESPN about potential expansion scenarios now? My point being that unless the BE is
determined to test the market, they are wasting time with whoever they want to take. An extra year of recruiting and media attention would only help which team/teams they decided to add, thus adding to the overall value.

The Big East has already done this and they feel like they can get more money by allowing multiple TV outlets bidding for their contract.

(06-05-2011 04:05 PM)ECU-DMB Fanatic Wrote:  

(06-05-2011 03:58 PM)beacherpirate Wrote:  

(06-05-2011 02:18 PM)HawaiiMongoose Wrote:  

(06-05-2011 11:26 AM)ECU-DMB Fanatic Wrote:  Well they will need to have their membership squared away prior to the TV negotiations.....I can not remember the date when ESPN's exclusive negotiation rights ends but I would say you will see things firmed up just prior to this date. My guess is that they will stay at 9 or possibly get to 10. Going to 12 for this next TV contract is probably not going to happen.

ESPN's exclusive negotiating window begins in September 2012 and I believe it runs for 60 days. So, in November 2012 the Big East could open up discussions to include all of the networks. Those discussions could go on for another couple of months, and I see no benefit to the conference to make expansion decisions before then (better to figure out who to add in consultation with the bidders, to maximize the contract's payout). So, my guess is that Big East expansion will
remain on hold until spring 2013 when both the new members and new contract will be announced.

I see your point in this, but here's my idea. Can they not talk to ESPN about potential expansion scenarios now? My point being that unless the BE is
determined to test the market, they are wasting time with whoever they want to take. An extra year of recruiting and media attention would only help which team/teams they decided to add, thus adding to the overall value.

The Big East has already done this and they feel like they can get more money by allowing multiple TV outlets bidding for their contract.

I guess time will tell. What other networks besides ESPN can match their $? Bu then again, maybe the BE knows they will sign w/ESPN regardless and want the others to run up the price a lil.

(06-05-2011 08:18 AM)Shannon Panther Wrote:  I could see the subject revisited after this football season. By then Villanova should have an answer to whether they can address the stadium issue. We will have another year's on the field performance to evaluate UCF, ECU, SMU, Houston, Memphis, and Temple. We will be 6 months closer to our negotiation window and I think that ESPN will come back with a new offer to head off the chance we take the product onto the open market.

This year is also the year that the BEast has to prove they are worth more money. Sorry, but if the BEast has another 8-4 champion you guys are gonna be pretty disappointed with the offers given by ESPN/FOX/CBS etc...

(06-05-2011 04:11 PM)beacherpirate Wrote:  

(06-05-2011 04:05 PM)ECU-DMB Fanatic Wrote:  

(06-05-2011 03:58 PM)beacherpirate Wrote:  

(06-05-2011 02:18 PM)HawaiiMongoose Wrote:  

(06-05-2011 11:26 AM)ECU-DMB Fanatic Wrote:  Well they will need to have their membership squared away prior to the TV negotiations.....I can not remember the date when ESPN's exclusive negotiation rights ends but I would say you will see things firmed up just prior to this date. My guess is that they will stay at 9 or possibly get to 10. Going to 12 for this next TV contract is probably not going to happen.

ESPN's exclusive negotiating window begins in September 2012 and I believe it runs for 60 days. So, in November 2012 the Big East could open up discussions to include all of the networks. Those discussions could go on for another couple of months, and I see no benefit to the conference to make expansion decisions before then (better to figure out who to add in consultation with the bidders, to
maximize the contract's payout). So, my guess is that Big East expansion will
remain on hold until spring 2013 when both the new members and new contract will be announced.

I see your point in this, but here's my idea. Can they not talk to ESPN about
potential expansion scenarios now? My point being that unless the BE is
determined to test the market, they are wasting time with whoever they want to take. An extra year of recruiting and media attention would only help which team/teams they decided to add, thus adding to the overall value.

The Big East has already done this and they feel like they can get more money by
allowing multiple TV outlets bidding for their contract.

I guess time will tell. What other networks besides ESPN can match their $? Bu then again, maybe the BE knows they will sign w/ESPN regardless and want the others to run up the price a lil

FOX....Comcast..