(06-06-2011 11:47 AM)chrisattsu Wrote:  

(06-04-2011 11:45 AM)hawghiggs Wrote:  I cannot agree more about Nebraska's recruiting. It will get harder to recruit Missouri and Kansas let alone Texas. Go luck to them recruiting the Dakota's.

While they lose out on Texas, the Huskers will still have their pull in surrounding states. The Big 10 alignment gives them stronger in roads in to Chicago, Minneapolis, and the rest of the rust belt. Plus the Big 10 style of "in the trenches, smashmouth football" better fits Nebraska better than the speed kills, spread that is rampant throughout the Big XII.

Not to start anything. But they are surrounded by a bunch of states that don't produce that much talent. Illinois might have a lot of talent in that state. But a lot of programs recruit that area also.

(06-04-2011 06:20 PM)CardinalJim Wrote:  Thanks for posting. When The Big 12 and ACC jumped to have a conference championship game, some said it was a mistake to play follow the leader with The SEC. Nice to see The Big 12 realize they made a mistake. Now let's hope The Big East learns from that mistake. No reason to go to 12 unless our broadcast partner wants to make it worth it. With that being said no reason to have a conference championship game just because you have 12 teams. The negatives of a conference championship game may out weigh the positives of going to 12.
CJ

This is correct. The conference championship game in and of itself is not a justification to go to 12. If you add the *right* schools and get to 12, then that's great. Reaching an arbitrary number of members itself, though, shouldn't be the goal.

UNC is 1st choise, they say no
Va legislature had promblem with VaT being left out of BCS, leaving Va in BCS is not a promblem.

SEC backup plan is Houston, Mia[Fla], FSU & W Va

12 is not just arbitrary #
TV markets are improved & inventory, CCG is icing on the cake

(06-07-2011 01:15 AM)templefootballfan Wrote:  12 is not just arbitrary #
TV markets are improved & inventory, CCG is icing on the cake

Correct...as believe the person who made such crack is a fan of a NON-football Big East member.

All other 5 BCS Conf have full-sports members (no hybrids in their major sports) and 4 out of the 5 have 12 teams (while the 5th had 12 teams before 2 jumped ship because of uneven revenue distribution in the past and better revenue situations in the future).

12 is not an arbitrary number.

Numerous advantages for all-sports conf to reach that level of membership.

(06-07-2011 01:12 AM)templefootballfan Wrote:  UNC is 1st choise, they say no
Va legislature had promblem with VaT being left out of BCS, leaving Va in BCS is not a promblem.

SEC backup plan is Houston, Mia[Fla], FSU & W Va

Houston?

(06-07-2011 06:52 AM)superdeluxe Wrote:  

(06-07-2011 01:12 AM)templefootballfan Wrote:  UNC is 1st choise, they say no
Va legislature had promblem with VaT being left out of BCS, leaving Va in BCS is not a promblem.

SEC backup plan is Houston, Mia[Fla], FSU & W Va

Houston?

Cleaning up coffee spilled all over keyboard now!

Good catch.

(06-07-2011 01:15 AM)templefootballfan Wrote:  12 is not just arbitrary #
TV markets are improved & inventory, CCG is icing on the cake

Ultimately, the per school average payout needs to be maximized. The B12-2 has decided that 10 is the right number for them, while the Pac10+2 has decided that 12 is the right number for them. There is clearly not a slam dunk obvious answer.

The big difference between the B12-2 and P10+2 appears to be the conference television network. It's great to talk about inventory, but who is going to pay to show it? Unless you are prepared to launch a network, these games would end up on ESPN3, a standard def channel or local outlets. The decision to go to 12 is completely interlocked with the decision to start a network. Expansion candidates, therefore, need to be measured on what they would contribute to such a network.

BE at 12, avgs 5 games weekend [season 14 or 15 & extra games labor & thanksgiving wkends]
I don't think that enough for 3 tiers, B-10 look at 16 because of network

Yeah Houston
it depends on how bad SEC wants in Texas & other advantages that goes along with it

(06-07-2011 01:12 AM)templefootballfan Wrote:  Va legislature had promblem with VaT being left out of BCS, leaving Va in BCS is not a promblem.

I highly disagree with this. Even though the ACC would still be a BCS league, VT leaving that conference would clearly weaken it and its long-term financial prospects. UVA, as the flagship with a lot more power, is absolutely, positively not allow that to happen when it spent a whole lot of political capital with its ACC mates previously to get VT an invite.

It's not just about the BCS label at that level - it's about whether those left behind are going to be BETTER or WORSE off with a move. If a move by one school means the other in-state schools left behind end up with lower TV contracts and less stability, then that's going to get a lot of political scrutiny (especially when the proposed mover is lower on the totem pole than the flagship left behind). Note that there's a similar issue in Texas. It's not really Baylor and Texas Tech that's pressuring politicians to keep A&M from going to the SEC, but rather the flagship of UT that's really flexing its muscle and doesn't want anything to do with the Ags moving.

(06-07-2011 09:11 AM)templefootballfan Wrote:  Yeah Houston
it depends on how bad SEC wants in Texas & other advantages that goes along with it

Um, no. The SEC doesn't want to be in Texas that badly.

(06-07-2011 08:22 AM)orangefan Wrote:  

(06-07-2011 01:15 AM)templefootballfan Wrote:  12 is not just arbitrary #
TV markets are improved & inventory, CCG is icing on the cake

Ultimately, the per school average payout needs to be maximized. The B12-2 has decided that 10 is the right number for them, while the Pac10+2 has decided that 12 is the right number for them. There is clearly not a slam dunk obvious answer.

The big difference between the B12-2 and P10+2 appears to be the conference television network. It's great to talk about inventory, but who is going to pay to show it? Unless you are prepared to launch a network, these games would end up on ESPN3, a standard def channel or local outlets. The decision to go to 12 is completely interlocked with the decision to start a network. Expansion candidates, therefore, need to be measured on what they would contribute to such a network.

I don't know if the conference network is a great big difference among any BCS conference. The Big Ten is doing well with their dedicated conference network. But SEC is doing equally well with its two contracts with ABC and ESPN....every SEC football game will be telecasts. The networks had to pay SEC the amount of money SEC would earn if SEC launched its own network.

In the final analysis, it seems that payout per school is the ultimate measure. How that money is derived, whether a dedicated conference network or using existing broadcast outlets is a side issue...it appears to me.

And even all that is blurred as colleges launch their own tv channels, as Texas U with ESPN or Notre Dame and CUSA schools with their digital network.

(06-07-2011 10:18 AM)Tallgrass Wrote:  

(06-07-2011 08:22 AM)orangefan Wrote:  

(06-07-2011 01:15 AM)templefootballfan Wrote:  12 is not just arbitrary #
TV markets are improved & inventory, CCG is icing on the cake

The big difference between the B12-2 and P10+2 appears to be the conference television network.

I don't know if the conference network is a great big difference among any BCS conference. The Big Ten is doing well with their dedicated conference network. But SEC is doing equally well with its two contracts with ABC and ESPN....every SEC football game will be telecasts. The networks had to pay SEC the amount of money SEC would earn if SEC launched its own network.

In the final analysis, it seems that payout per school is the ultimate measure. How that money is derived, whether a dedicated conference network or using existing broadcast outlets is a side issue...it appears to me.

And even all that is blurred as colleges launch their own tv channels, as Texas U with ESPN or Notre Dame and CUSA schools with their digital network.

My point is that the inventory created by going to 12 is only valuable if you have a network. No network, and 10 works better.

As far as the whole A&M to SEC thing, there are too many reasons it won't happen.

-The young fans want it but the older fans (the ones who run things) don't because they want to keep playing Texas, Baylor and to a lesser extent Tech and the Okie schools every year.

-The Prez and BOR have big misgivings about the SECs academics. The Big 12 still has 5 AAU members and is a strong combination of research institutions with land grant missions.

-Texas politics. A&M can't afford to make enemies. The Waco and Lubbock economies are heavily invested in the success of their schools and will fight hard against anything that could potentially diminish them.

-A&M to the SEC as their sole TX franchise is the horns nightmare scenario. They abandoned the PAC to prevent the just the POSSIBILITY of this happening and will continue to fight against it.

The Big 12 provides A&M with the almost perfect combination of high RPI/SOS for their sports while at the same time providing a much easier path to the BCS/NCAA Tournament/Post season for their sports.

(06-08-2011 07:40 PM)10thMountain Wrote:  -Texas politics. A&M can't afford to make enemies. The Waco and Lubbock economies are heavily invested in the success of their schools and will fight hard against anything that could potentially diminish them.

Some critics say A&M has been making enemies since Rick Perry ascended to the Governor's mansion in 2000.

(06-07-2011 09:11 AM)templefootballfan Wrote:  Yeah Houston
it depends on how bad SEC wants in Texas & other advantages that goes along with it

Houston? Really? Why not give Vandy a traveling partner with Rice? At least 72,000 seat Rice Stadium can hold all those LSU and Bama fans heading west...

(06-08-2011 07:53 PM)DFW HOYA Wrote:  Some critics say A&M has been making enemies since Rick Perry ascended to the Governor's mansion in 2000.

Even aggie fans dislike Rick Perry. Unfortunately for those of us that are conservative, the Republicans haven't been able to find a conservative candidate to beat him. Debra Medina, in the Texas Repub Primary had a decent shot until she went on the Beck radio show and got cornered by a 9/11 question which she didn't answer very well. It was all over after that and we got stuck with Perry again. Hopefully the rumors are true and he will indeed run for President.

(06-07-2011 09:14 AM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  

(06-07-2011 09:11 AM)templefootballfan Wrote:  Yeah Houston
it depends on how bad SEC wants in Texas & other advantages that goes along with it

Um, no. The SEC doesn't want to be in Texas that badly.

+1000

(06-08-2011 07:40 PM)10thMountain Wrote:  As far as the whole A&M to SEC thing, there are too many reasons it won't happen.

-The young fans want it but the older fans (the ones who run things) don't because they want to keep playing Texas, Baylor and to a lesser extent Tech and the Okie schools every year.

-The Prez and BOR have big misgivings about the SECs academics. The Big 12 still has 5 AAU members and is a strong combination of research institutions with land grant missions.

-Texas politics. A&M can't afford to make enemies. The Waco and Lubbock economies are heavily invested in the success of their schools and will fight hard against anything that could potentially diminish them.

-A&M to the SEC as their sole TX franchise is the horns nightmare scenario. They abandoned the PAC to prevent the just the POSSIBILITY of this happening and will continue to fight against it.

The Big 12 provides A&M with the almost perfect combination of high RPI/SOS for their sports while at the same time providing a much easier path to the BCS/NCAA Tournament/Post season for their sports.

Agree 100%. Those are the hurdles and you can apply the last 2 or 3 to UT as well as reasons they'd be staying put.

if staying at 10 members rather than expanding to 12 suits them better, then they should stay that way.