(06-02-2011 11:41 AM)BJUnklFkr Wrote:  ECU would make a better "football-only" than the service acadamies (yes, even Navy).

Amen...

Viable FB Onlies in order to me:

BYU, USAFA, ECU, Boise State, Navy

So, if we go by the one article that "if we don't add Army and Navy then we are heading for a split".........guess we'll see how that article plays out to reality.

(06-02-2011 10:31 AM)WacoBearcat Wrote:  No Army, No Navy. No football-only schools. Period.

Agree completely....Football only schools would only make our school membership more confusing

Jackson

(06-02-2011 12:19 PM)Jackson1011 Wrote:  

(06-02-2011 10:31 AM)WacoBearcat Wrote:  No Army, No Navy. No football-only schools. Period.

Agree completely....Football only schools would only make our school membership more confusing

Jackson

Not only is it confusing, but it doesn't really add stability to the league beyond the terms of the TV deal. So we add Army and Navy and get a good TV deal. What happens when its time to renegotiate and the networks don't pony up? We are literally left with a three ring circus. However, I guess you could argue that short-term interests are more important than long-term interests in these times.

IMO I think the Army/Navy talk is just that, but I do think they have to cover their asses so to say in doing so to get to other teams. I think once both of them give their NO answer loud and clear the Big East will start steering towards ECU and Central Florida as the 10th member. I don't think the FB schools are going to let Villanova be pushed down their throats by the BB schools or even the commish of the BE. If they can not follow certain guidelines or meet certain demands like Temple when they were amongst the BE then there should be no different treatment towards Nova, but me personally I don't think they can comply to the NCAA ordinance on attendance for it to even be a matter IMO.

(06-02-2011 10:24 AM)BJUnklFkr Wrote:  Not sure why we even bother to consider either one of them.

I think it just shows me how much the football schools like the CUSA candidates. The fact that Villanova was a candidate ahead of them proves that point even further.

Like or not, #10 will be Temple-when Nova gets turned down for final time.

I think we chill at 10/17 and watch UMass closely, with 11/12 going to UMass, ECU, Memphis, and UCF.

(06-02-2011 09:57 AM)bitcruncher Wrote:  

(06-02-2011 09:56 AM)cinbinsportsfan Wrote:  Thank God.

Agreed. The people that insisted that Army even be contacted are idiots of the highest order...

ditto

I think it just shows me how much the football schools like the CUSA candidates. The fact that Villanova was a candidate ahead of them proves that point even further.

^gets it^

The acadamies were high on the list back in 03 too.
My guess is either would easily get the votes if interested.
So its tell nova to pony up and ask all the indy's.
Fairly obvious they are not considering any more basketball teams.

Army is finally climbing out of the hole left from its first adventure into conference play. The Black Knights were 9-41 in a seven-year run in Conference USA, which ended in 2004.


This is the reason why Army will not join a AQ BCS conference in the near future. They would not be competitive week in and week out.

Army and Navy are completely UN-VIABLE for the Big East. It's absurd that anyone in the conference would consider inviting them.

(06-02-2011 10:18 AM)cinbinsportsfan Wrote:  Army and Navy combined would be an injury problem waiting to happen. Not only is preparing for the triple-option/veer/etc. a *****, but the chop blocking scares the hell out of me.

Rutgers plays em both nearly every year and we've never had a problem. Eric LeGrand god bless him could have happened in any game. BTW, he's now moving his arms with the use of an anti-gravity belt. Just amazing what he's doing. That being said neither in their current structure could handle playing a BCS AQ conference schedule year in and year out.

(06-03-2011 06:55 AM)brista21 Wrote:  

(06-02-2011 10:18 AM)cinbinsportsfan Wrote:  Army and Navy combined would be an injury problem waiting to happen. Not only is preparing for the triple-option/veer/etc. a *****, but the chop blocking scares the hell out of me.

Rutgers plays em both nearly every year and we've never had a problem. Eric LeGrand god bless him could have happened in any game. BTW, he's now moving his arms with the use of an anti-gravity belt. Just amazing what he's doing. That being said neither in their current structure could handle playing a BCS AQ conference schedule year in and year out.

Brista, we can only hope and pray that Eric continues to improve each day. I wish he and his family nothing but the best and better days to come.

Yes, chop blocking can be bad on lineman and shouldn't be allowed but until it's stopped by the rules committee it will continue as a legal block. Every team has kids hurt and it's not due to chop blocking, RB's tear ACL's all the time and that's not related. Hamstring pulls aren't related so injuries are part of the game.

(06-03-2011 06:55 AM)brista21 Wrote:  

(06-02-2011 10:18 AM)cinbinsportsfan Wrote:  Army and Navy combined would be an injury problem waiting to happen. Not only is preparing for the triple-option/veer/etc. a *****, but the chop blocking scares the hell out of me.

Rutgers plays em both nearly every year and we've never had a problem. Eric LeGrand god bless him could have happened in any game. BTW, he's now moving his arms with the use of an anti-gravity belt. Just amazing what he's doing. That being said neither in their current structure could handle playing a BCS AQ conference schedule year in and year out.

Again, I would just like to point out that Old Guard Big East fans said the same exact things about UConn and Cincinnati as well.

Now, I certainly would not expect either to compete for the BCS Bowl each and every year (although Navy might once a decade), Air Force has had five 9/8 win seasons in the MWC since 2000 and never finished with less than 4 wins in any of those seasons.

Cheers,
Neil

(06-03-2011 07:12 AM)omnicarrier Wrote:  

(06-03-2011 06:55 AM)brista21 Wrote:  

(06-02-2011 10:18 AM)cinbinsportsfan Wrote:  Army and Navy combined would be an injury problem waiting to happen. Not only is preparing for the triple-option/veer/etc. a *****, but the chop blocking scares the hell out of me.

Rutgers plays em both nearly every year and we've never had a problem. Eric LeGrand god bless him could have happened in any game. BTW, he's now moving his arms with the use of an anti-gravity belt. Just amazing what he's doing. That being said neither in their current structure could handle playing a BCS AQ conference schedule year in and year out.

Again, I would just like to point out that Old Guard Big East fans said the same exact things about UConn and Cincinnati as well.

Cheers,
Neil

But correct me if I'm wrong, UCONN and Cinci do not have as severe recruiting restrictions (especially in regards to academics) as Army and Navy (i.e. many Div I-A Football Players at most BCS Schools would never qualify for even an "appointment letter/recommendation", let alone ADMITTANCE to either Army/Navy Military Academies.

Huge difference between the 2 scenarios.

(06-02-2011 10:18 AM)cinbinsportsfan Wrote:  Army and Navy combined would be an injury problem waiting to happen. Not only is preparing for the triple-option/veer/etc. a *****, but the chop blocking scares the hell out of me.

It's called cut blocking, it's perfectly legal and quite common in college football. I have yet to see a list of the injured Army, Navy, AF, and/or Georgia Tech have left lying in the wake of their blocking schemes.

(06-03-2011 07:35 AM)KnightLight Wrote:  

(06-03-2011 07:12 AM)omnicarrier Wrote:  

(06-03-2011 06:55 AM)brista21 Wrote:  

(06-02-2011 10:18 AM)cinbinsportsfan Wrote:  Army and Navy combined would be an injury problem waiting to happen. Not only is preparing for the triple-option/veer/etc. a *****, but the chop blocking scares the hell out of me.

Rutgers plays em both nearly every year and we've never had a problem. Eric LeGrand god bless him could have happened in any game. BTW, he's now moving his arms with the use of an anti-gravity belt. Just amazing what he's doing. That being said neither in their current structure could handle playing a BCS AQ conference schedule year in and year out.

Again, I would just like to point out that Old Guard Big East fans said the same exact things about UConn and Cincinnati as well.

Cheers,
Neil

But correct me if I'm wrong, UCONN and Cinci do not have as severe recruiting restrictions (especially in regards to academics) as Army and Navy (i.e. many Div I-A Football Players at most BCS Schools would never qualify for even an "appointment letter/recommendation", let alone ADMITTANCE to either Army/Navy Military Academies.

Huge difference between the 2 scenarios.

Doesn't matter. Air Force has those same restrictions and they have done middle of the pack in the MWC. Most would say they are clearly the fourth best team behind Utah, TCU, and BYU in that league.

Fans always want to believe their league is tougher than it truly is.

Navy, since 2004, is 4-5 against BE teams. They are also 2-0 over ECU, 3-0 over SMU (including a win the last two years when SMU was actually good), and haven't played UCF or Houston in that time frame. But in terms of UCF, the Knights against BE teams in that same time frame is 0-7 so obviously Navy is handling BE competition better.

Cheers,
Neil

(06-03-2011 07:56 AM)omnicarrier Wrote:  

(06-03-2011 07:35 AM)KnightLight Wrote:  

(06-03-2011 07:12 AM)omnicarrier Wrote:  

(06-03-2011 06:55 AM)brista21 Wrote:  

(06-02-2011 10:18 AM)cinbinsportsfan Wrote:  Army and Navy combined would be an injury problem waiting to happen. Not only is preparing for the triple-option/veer/etc. a *****, but the chop blocking scares the hell out of me.

Rutgers plays em both nearly every year and we've never had a problem. Eric LeGrand god bless him could have happened in any game. BTW, he's now moving his arms with the use of an anti-gravity belt. Just amazing what he's doing. That being said neither in their current structure could handle playing a BCS AQ conference schedule year in and year out.

Again, I would just like to point out that Old Guard Big East fans said the same exact things about UConn and Cincinnati as well.

Cheers,
Neil

But correct me if I'm wrong, UCONN and Cinci do not have as severe recruiting restrictions (especially in regards to academics) as Army and Navy (i.e. many Div I-A Football Players at most BCS Schools would never qualify for even an "appointment letter/recommendation", let alone ADMITTANCE to either Army/Navy Military Academies.

Huge difference between the 2 scenarios.

Doesn't matter.
Cheers,
Neil

Actually, in regards to BCS Football Recruiting it does (i.e. BCS Schools are allowed to sign/enroll those recruits that meet the bottom of the barrel NCAA requirements.)

Army and Navy can't.

If you are of the belief that Army/Navy can offer appointments to those that are at the bottom of the NCAA requirement scale...then we can agree to disagree on this issue.

(06-03-2011 08:37 AM)KnightLight Wrote:  

(06-03-2011 07:56 AM)omnicarrier Wrote:  

(06-03-2011 07:35 AM)KnightLight Wrote:  

(06-03-2011 07:12 AM)omnicarrier Wrote:  

(06-03-2011 06:55 AM)brista21 Wrote:  Rutgers plays em both nearly every year and we've never had a problem. Eric LeGrand god bless him could have happened in any game. BTW, he's now moving his arms with the use of an anti-gravity belt. Just amazing what he's doing. That being said neither in their current structure could handle playing a BCS AQ conference schedule year in and year out.

Again, I would just like to point out that Old Guard Big East fans said the same exact things about UConn and Cincinnati as well.

Cheers,
Neil

But correct me if I'm wrong, UCONN and Cinci do not have as severe recruiting restrictions (especially in regards to academics) as Army and Navy (i.e. many Div I-A Football Players at most BCS Schools would never qualify for even an "appointment letter/recommendation", let alone ADMITTANCE to either Army/Navy Military Academies.

Huge difference between the 2 scenarios.

Doesn't matter.
Cheers,
Neil

Actually, in regards to BCS Football Recruiting it does (i.e. BCS Schools are allowed to sign/enroll those recruits that meet the bottom of the barrel NCAA requirements.)

Army and Navy can't.

If you are of the belief that Army/Navy can offer appointments to those that are at the bottom of the NCAA requirement scale...then we can agree to disagree on this issue.

It doesn't matter in terms of actual accomplishments on the field. Again a 4-5 record against BE competition since 2004 shows they are capable of being a middle of the pack BE team in most years.

I'd say UCF so far has demonstrated on the field that they are not even a middle of the pack BE team.

Cheers,
Neil

Big East
uconn
cuse
rutgers
pitt
wvu
usf

cincy
lville
army
navy
afa
tcu

i think it works if you bring them all in + you could possilby jump to 14 members with 2 byu (football only) and team 18 (all sports).