shouldn't BE walk away.
NBC/Comcast offered pac-12 235 million
they plan expanding Sat package with ND
they plan on weeknights & Sat on Verious & USA
they plan on saving thier network

10/17 BE can get 200 million
14 MWC can get 35 million
that would be 140 FB games & 450 [maybe 500] BB games
plenty of inventory for all 3 tiers

ESPN already offered 110M to 130M.

ESPN is going to have to up the ante. They tried to lowball us, thinking the commissioner was less concerned about football. So now we wait until we can see what the open market will pay...

(05-24-2011 08:16 AM)animus Wrote:  ESPN already offered 110M to 130M.

And the BE waled away

(05-24-2011 08:27 AM)bitcruncher Wrote:  ESPN is going to have to up the ante. They tried to lowball us, thinking the commissioner was less concerned about football. So now we wait until we can see what the open market will pay...

Yep. BE finally did something right. ESPN was going to screw us if we signed that deal. Let them sweat and come back with a better deal. BE will definitely get a better deal out on the open market both exposure wise and dollar wise.

We're not sure that the Big East walked away from $130 million, because all the reports have said that ESPN's offering was between $110 - $130 million.

Nevertheless, even if it was $130 million, i agree that it was a good thing we've decided to hold off on signing a new deal until the latter part of 2012. Sure, we do run the risk that the sports-TV market will collapse during that time and we will regret not having signed with ESPN for their initial offer, but all the signs seem to indicate that what is likely to happen is that our value will rise during that time, not fall, and with the threat of other negotiating partners, ESPN is likely to ante-up more than they did now, and if they don't, someone like Comcast or FOX will.

(05-24-2011 09:35 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  We're not sure that the Big East walked away from $130 million, because all the reports have said that ESPN's offering was between $110 - $130 million.

Nevertheless, even if it was $130 million, i agree that it was a good thing we've decided to hold off on signing a new deal until the latter part of 2012. Sure, we do run the risk that the sports-TV market will collapse during that time and we will regret not having signed with ESPN for their initial offer, but all the signs seem to indicate that what is likely to happen is that our value will rise during that time, not fall, and with the threat of other negotiating partners, ESPN is likely to ante-up more than they did now, and if they don't, someone like Comcast or FOX will.

I would love to see the BE do some type of shared deal with several networks, similar to the Pac 10 deal. Also would like to keep CBS involved in bb as well.

(05-24-2011 09:50 AM)cuseroc Wrote:  

(05-24-2011 09:35 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  We're not sure that the Big East walked away from $130 million, because all the reports have said that ESPN's offering was between $110 - $130 million.

Nevertheless, even if it was $130 million, i agree that it was a good thing we've decided to hold off on signing a new deal until the latter part of 2012. Sure, we do run the risk that the sports-TV market will collapse during that time and we will regret not having signed with ESPN for their initial offer, but all the signs seem to indicate that what is likely to happen is that our value will rise during that time, not fall, and with the threat of other negotiating partners, ESPN is likely to ante-up more than they did now, and if they don't, someone like Comcast or FOX will.

I would love to see the BE do some type of shared deal with several networks, similar to the Pac 10 deal. Also would like to keep CBS involved in bb as well.

BE should follow the PAC-12 deal to the T. BE should get a deal for tier-1 rights, another for tier-2 rights and a Big East Network. BE definitely should try to maximize the total contract. $130M is peanuts comparing to other conferences except for the ACC.

(05-24-2011 11:32 AM)SF Husky Wrote:  

(05-24-2011 09:50 AM)cuseroc Wrote:  

(05-24-2011 09:35 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  We're not sure that the Big East walked away from $130 million, because all the reports have said that ESPN's offering was between $110 - $130 million.

Nevertheless, even if it was $130 million, i agree that it was a good thing we've decided to hold off on signing a new deal until the latter part of 2012. Sure, we do run the risk that the sports-TV market will collapse during that time and we will regret not having signed with ESPN for their initial offer, but all the signs seem to indicate that what is likely to happen is that our value will rise during that time, not fall, and with the threat of other negotiating partners, ESPN is likely to ante-up more than they did now, and if they don't, someone like Comcast or FOX will.

I would love to see the BE do some type of shared deal with several networks, similar to the Pac 10 deal. Also would like to keep CBS involved in bb as well.

BE should follow the PAC-12 deal to the T. BE should get a deal for tier-1 rights, another for tier-2 rights and a Big East Network. BE definitely should try to maximize the total contract. $130M is peanuts comparing to other conferences except for the ACC.

No question, we need to push for the maximum we can get. If we can get a Pac-12 type deal that pays a lot for tier-1 rights while still retaining substantial property for our own network, that would be awesome. We can't afford to sell ourselves short.

Accept no less than 160mil, I'd say.

(05-24-2011 06:08 PM)TampaKnight Wrote:  Accept no less than 160mil, I'd say.

Why settle for $160M? BE should aim for $200M+ as I have stated many times. PAC-12 got close to $250M and there is no way they are worth that much more than the BE. Many negative Nancys think it would be nuts but it is looking more and more possible every day.

Well, the more BE people keep complaining about the conference makeup (coaches who think the split is imminent, others who are ready to expand to 12), the less of a publicly united front and apparent stability. If the BE truly wishes to have a good deal, these guys are going to disagree behind closed doors, and STFU on the public stage, or else the league won't be attractive to any network.

(05-24-2011 06:20 PM)BJUnklFkr Wrote:  Well, the more BE people keep complaining about the conference makeup (coaches who think the split is imminent, others who are ready to expand to 12), the less of a publicly united front and apparent stability. If the BE truly wishes to have a good deal, these guys are going to disagree behind closed doors, and STFU on the public stage, or else the league won't be attractive to any network.

Yeah...I noted that in another thread...in that what network will be willing to pay maximum $$$ for it if it will just "implode" after a few years.

There seems to be 5 different "ships" (agendas) sailing in the big east and if they all don't end up on the same boat, it will be hard for the Big East to get a maximum $$$ deal.

Even giving the ILLUSION of being all on the same boat (privately can disagree where the conf is or isn't headed) might help secure top $$$$ but if coaches and AD's continue to spew different guesses to the conf make-up, it will make Marinatto's negotiating job much more difficult.

Again, all could change during the Presidents' teleconference come June...so it might be nothing to worry about in the end.

Bingo KL You perfectly elaborated on my point, with exactly what I was thinking.

(05-24-2011 06:20 PM)BJUnklFkr Wrote:  Well, the more BE people keep complaining about the conference makeup (coaches who think the split is imminent, others who are ready to expand to 12), the less of a publicly united front and apparent stability. If the BE truly wishes to have a good deal, these guys are going to disagree behind closed doors, and STFU on the public stage, or else the league won't be attractive to any network.

I've been saying this for weeks. And in the conference's defense, they've told everybody to say no comment. But some of our own fans are willing to build shrines to the people who can't keep their yaps shut. It's called cutting off your nose to spite your face.

USFFan

(05-24-2011 06:12 PM)SF Husky Wrote:  

(05-24-2011 06:08 PM)TampaKnight Wrote:  Accept no less than 160mil, I'd say.

Why settle for $160M? BE should aim for $200M+ as I have stated many times. PAC-12 got close to $250M and there is no way they are worth that much more than the BE. Many negative Nancys think it would be nuts but it is looking more and more possible every day.

Completely agree and think the BE will hit a grand slam deal.

NBComast really wants to get into college athletics and Comcast has indicated publicly they was to make their sports channel healthy enough to compete with ESPN

IF the Pac 12 who has almost 1/2 of the house hold # the BE has was offered 225M by comcast along (while comcast was holding money back to offer the BE) wouldn't it make sense that NBComcast would go all out to get the BE?

Big East needs to hold out for 155 mil.

(05-24-2011 07:45 PM)KnightLight Wrote:  There seems to be 5 different "ships" (agendas) sailing in the big east and if they all don't end up on the same boat, it will be hard for the Big East to get a maximum $$$ deal.

Even giving the ILLUSION of being all on the same boat (privately can disagree where the conf is or isn't headed) might help secure top $$$$ but if coaches and AD's continue to spew different guesses to the conf make-up, it will make Marinatto's negotiating job much more difficult.

I don't think this is likely to be much of an issue. The Big 12 and Pac 12 signed huge deals right on the heels of massive turmoil and turnover in their membership. Our membership/expansion situation is far less turbulent right now than either of theirs were.

All we need to do is have our expansion situation solidified in the next 14 months, so that we go into September 2012 negotiations with some certainty for our TV partners. Between now and then, our various officials and ADs can jabber all they want about the pros and cons of different moves, and the networks won't care.

(05-24-2011 11:30 PM)usffan Wrote:  But some of our own fans are willing to build shrines to the people who can't keep their yaps shut.

I have no problem with the likes of Luck saying some things, like that the football schools need much more TV money. But the public bickering about conference configuration by him and others has to go.

It's one thing when the posters do it, but the league can't afford to bicker.