I wouldn't mind SMU coming to the Big East.

I think SMU could be a nice fit, especially if their football continues to improve. A big benefit IMO is having TCU and SMU would provide travel help for the sports that don't make money. For example women's soccer can travel to DFW play TCU on a Friday and SMU on a Sunday and then head home. You can do that with Houston as well, it just requires the extra expense of either the short flight to Houston or the 5 hour charter bus trip.

We'll see how much SMU improves this season. They made the CUSA Championship last year, and they're a young team with a lot of talent returning. June Jones is doing a very good job down there IMO...

I won't get into some of the things that have been stated about SMU and whether they are right or wrong. I will just put this into perspective for you all.

With the addition of TCU to the BE, Dallas-Fort Worth remains a market controlled by the Big XII. With both SMU and TCU in the BE, Dallas-Fort Worth becomes a market equally split between the BE and Big XII.

What SMU and TCU together would add to the Big East is far beyond the combined effect that either school could have on any conference by joining without the other. The whole would be greater than the sum of its parts.

(05-01-2011 06:22 PM)CalallenStang Wrote:  I won't get into some of the things that have been stated about SMU and whether they are right or wrong. I will just put this into perspective for you all.

With the addition of TCU to the BE, Dallas-Fort Worth remains a market controlled by the Big XII. With both SMU and TCU in the BE, Dallas-Fort Worth becomes a market equally split between the BE and Big XII.

What SMU and TCU together would add to the Big East is far beyond the combined effect that either school could have on any conference by joining without the other. The whole would be greater than the sum of its parts.

I can't find fault with this logic. No offense to TCU, SMU or Houston, but none of these schools on their own would bring much to the BE wrt penetrating the Texas markets. However, I think TCU and SMU working in tandem could extract tangible value for the BE. Although the market space would be significantly broader with TCU and Houston, I have a very hard time believing that either school would deliver any significant amount of DFW or Houston on their own. Plus we cannot discount the fact that SMU has a better academic pedigree than Houston, which may be a serious factor that the BE presidents would be interested in.

(05-01-2011 06:29 PM)miko33 Wrote:  

(05-01-2011 06:22 PM)CalallenStang Wrote:  I won't get into some of the things that have been stated about SMU and whether they are right or wrong. I will just put this into perspective for you all.

With the addition of TCU to the BE, Dallas-Fort Worth remains a market controlled by the Big XII. With both SMU and TCU in the BE, Dallas-Fort Worth becomes a market equally split between the BE and Big XII.

What SMU and TCU together would add to the Big East is far beyond the combined effect that either school could have on any conference by joining without the other. The whole would be greater than the sum of its parts.

I can't find fault with this logic. No offense to TCU, SMU or Houston, but none of these schools on their own would bring much to the BE wrt penetrating the Texas markets. However, I think TCU and SMU working in tandem could extract tangible value for the BE. Although the market space would be significantly broader with TCU and Houston, I have a very hard time believing that either school would deliver any significant amount of DFW or Houston on their own. Plus we cannot discount the fact that SMU has a better academic pedigree than Houston, which may be a serious factor that the BE presidents would be interested in.

I completely agree with both of these statements.

(05-01-2011 06:22 PM)CalallenStang Wrote:  With the addition of TCU to the BE, Dallas-Fort Worth remains a market controlled by the Big XII. With both SMU and TCU in the BE, Dallas-Fort Worth becomes a market equally split between the BE and Big XII.

What SMU and TCU together would add to the Big East is far beyond the combined effect that either school could have on any conference by joining without the other. The whole would be greater than the sum of its parts.

I've been saying the same thing for months now. But the only people who seem to understand this are TCU and SMU fans. Most BEast fans don't know the DFW area, and all the wannabees don't want to see another DFW team take what they feel is "their" spot in The BEast...

(05-01-2011 06:39 PM)jml2010 Wrote:  

(05-01-2011 06:29 PM)miko33 Wrote:  

(05-01-2011 06:22 PM)CalallenStang Wrote:  I won't get into some of the things that have been stated about SMU and whether they are right or wrong. I will just put this into perspective for you all.

With the addition of TCU to the BE, Dallas-Fort Worth remains a market controlled by the Big XII. With both SMU and TCU in the BE, Dallas-Fort Worth becomes a market equally split between the BE and Big XII.

What SMU and TCU together would add to the Big East is far beyond the combined effect that either school could have on any conference by joining without the other. The whole would be greater than the sum of its parts.

I can't find fault with this logic. No offense to TCU, SMU or Houston, but none of these schools on their own would bring much to the BE wrt penetrating the Texas markets. However, I think TCU and SMU working in tandem could extract tangible value for the BE. Although the market space would be significantly broader with TCU and Houston, I have a very hard time believing that either school would deliver any significant amount of DFW or Houston on their own. Plus we cannot discount the fact that SMU has a better academic pedigree than Houston, which may be a serious factor that the BE presidents would be interested in.

I completely agree with both of these statements.

+1

(05-01-2011 07:56 PM)Guyasuta Genac Wrote:  

(05-01-2011 06:39 PM)jml2010 Wrote:  

(05-01-2011 06:29 PM)miko33 Wrote:  

(05-01-2011 06:22 PM)CalallenStang Wrote:  I won't get into some of the things that have been stated about SMU and whether they are right or wrong. I will just put this into perspective for you all.

With the addition of TCU to the BE, Dallas-Fort Worth remains a market controlled by the Big XII. With both SMU and TCU in the BE, Dallas-Fort Worth becomes a market equally split between the BE and Big XII.

What SMU and TCU together would add to the Big East is far beyond the combined effect that either school could have on any conference by joining without the other. The whole would be greater than the sum of its parts.

I can't find fault with this logic. No offense to TCU, SMU or Houston, but none of these schools on their own would bring much to the BE wrt penetrating the Texas markets. However, I think TCU and SMU working in tandem could extract tangible value for the BE. Although the market space would be significantly broader with TCU and Houston, I have a very hard time believing that either school would deliver any significant amount of DFW or Houston on their own. Plus we cannot discount the fact that SMU has a better academic pedigree than Houston, which may be a serious factor that the BE presidents would be interested in.

I completely agree with both of these statements.

+1

So, with that being said, if this was truly the case, how do you explain the UH president being invited to speak to numerous BE presidents during March Madness? Or the admin. recieving congrats letters from several of these presidents after the school became recognized by Carnegie? Makes you wonder...

(05-01-2011 08:10 PM)CougarFan89 Wrote:  

(05-01-2011 07:56 PM)Guyasuta Genac Wrote:  

(05-01-2011 06:39 PM)jml2010 Wrote:  

(05-01-2011 06:29 PM)miko33 Wrote:  

(05-01-2011 06:22 PM)CalallenStang Wrote:  I won't get into some of the things that have been stated about SMU and whether they are right or wrong. I will just put this into perspective for you all.

With the addition of TCU to the BE, Dallas-Fort Worth remains a market controlled by the Big XII. With both SMU and TCU in the BE, Dallas-Fort Worth becomes a market equally split between the BE and Big XII.

What SMU and TCU together would add to the Big East is far beyond the combined effect that either school could have on any conference by joining without the other. The whole would be greater than the sum of its parts.

I can't find fault with this logic. No offense to TCU, SMU or Houston, but none of these schools on their own would bring much to the BE wrt penetrating the Texas markets. However, I think TCU and SMU working in tandem could extract tangible value for the BE. Although the market space would be significantly broader with TCU and Houston, I have a very hard time believing that either school would deliver any significant amount of DFW or Houston on their own. Plus we cannot discount the fact that SMU has a better academic pedigree than Houston, which may be a serious factor that the BE presidents would be interested in.

I completely agree with both of these statements.

+1

So, with that being said, if this was truly the case, how do you explain the UH president being invited to speak to numerous BE presidents during March Madness? Or the admin. recieving congrats letters from several of these presidents after the school became recognized by Carnegie? Makes you wonder...

It means the BE was doing its due diligence in talking to potential expansion candidates. Do you assume that you will be automatically offered a job just because you went to the interview? Why read more into something than what it really is?

When the right expansion candidate comes along we will all know it.

Hopefully, so will the BE leadership!

(05-01-2011 08:10 PM)CougarFan89 Wrote:  So, with that being said, if this was truly the case, how do you explain the UH president being invited to speak to numerous BE presidents during March Madness? Or the admin. recieving congrats letters from several of these presidents after the school became recognized by Carnegie? Makes you wonder...

Houston's president has a preexisting relationship with the Big East. Did she not have that relationship, I would find her speaking before them much more significant. As it stands, her being present is equally likely to have been due to her past connections as it for expansion reasons.

Also, her connection with the Big East schools makes equal sense in explaining why Houston was congratulated in written letters.

The letters were only from "several" schools, indicating that the entire Big East Conference didn't consider it a big enough deal to warrant attention. It sounds more like a token effort by a few schools to do the minimum for an old colleague.

For that matter, "several" Big East schools have that Carnegie designation, and they'd be expected to say something to Houston for them joining their ranks out of basic courtesy. It's generally how those things work.

What you're talking about isn't nearly the concrete evidence you think it is.

(05-01-2011 08:16 PM)miko33 Wrote:  

(05-01-2011 08:10 PM)CougarFan89 Wrote:  

(05-01-2011 07:56 PM)Guyasuta Genac Wrote:  

(05-01-2011 06:39 PM)jml2010 Wrote:  

(05-01-2011 06:29 PM)miko33 Wrote:  I can't find fault with this logic. No offense to TCU, SMU or Houston, but none of these schools on their own would bring much to the BE wrt penetrating the Texas markets. However, I think TCU and SMU working in tandem could extract tangible value for the BE. Although the market space would be significantly broader with TCU and Houston, I have a very hard time believing that either school would deliver any significant amount of DFW or Houston on their own. Plus we cannot discount the fact that SMU has a better academic pedigree than Houston, which may be a serious factor that the BE presidents would be interested in.

I completely agree with both of these statements.

+1

So, with that being said, if this was truly the case, how do you explain the UH president being invited to speak to numerous BE presidents during March Madness? Or the admin. recieving congrats letters from several of these presidents after the school became recognized by Carnegie? Makes you wonder...

It means the BE was doing its due diligence in talking to potential expansion candidates. Do you assume that you will be automatically offered a job just because you went to the interview? Why read more into something than what it really is?

I understand the BE doing its due diligence wrt the NY invitation, but if the "academic factor" was as cut and dry as our resident..... friend, jml wants to suggest, then i would see no point in taking time out to write and send a letter of congradulations to a president of a school that's "clearly" inferior to in this case.

(05-01-2011 08:28 PM)moron Wrote:  

(05-01-2011 08:10 PM)CougarFan89 Wrote:  So, with that being said, if this was truly the case, how do you explain the UH president being invited to speak to numerous BE presidents during March Madness? Or the admin. recieving congrats letters from several of these presidents after the school became recognized by Carnegie? Makes you wonder...

Houston's president has a preexisting relationship with the Big East. Did she not have that relationship, I would find her speaking before them much more significant. As it stands, her being present is equally likely to have been due to her past connections as it for expansion reasons.

Also, her connection with the Big East schools makes equal sense in explaining why Houston was congratulated in written letters.

The letters were only from "several" schools, indicating that the entire Big East Conference didn't consider it a big enough deal to warrant attention. It sounds more like a token effort by a few schools to do the minimum for an old colleague.

For that matter, "several" Big East schools have that Carnegie designation, and they'd be expected to say something to Houston for them joining their ranks out of basic courtesy. It's generally how those things work.

What you're talking about isn't nearly the concrete evidence you think it is.

Out of curiosity, which BE schools does the UH president have relationships with and which schools from the BE sent letters of congratulation?

(05-01-2011 08:30 PM)miko33 Wrote:  Out of curiosity, which BE schools does the UH president have relationships with and which schools from the BE sent letters of congratulation?

She was the provost and senior vice president at South Florida. So, yeah, we can be sure one of those letters came from South Florida.

It is a certainty that they would have sent a letter due to her previous position being at South Florida, even if Houston was not an expansion candidate.

(05-01-2011 08:28 PM)CougarFan89 Wrote:  I understand the BE doing its due diligence wrt the NY invitation, but if the "academic factor" was as cut and dry as our resident..... friend, jml wants to suggest, then i would see no point in taking time out to write and send a letter of congradulations to a president of a school that's "clearly" inferior to in this case.

Why are you singling me out? I'm not the only one that has mentioned UH academics yet I'm the only one that is trashed and neg repped by coog fans. Bunch of cry babies that run to mommy when someone posts that goes against what UH fans believe to be true.

(05-01-2011 08:37 PM)moron Wrote:  

(05-01-2011 08:30 PM)miko33 Wrote:  Out of curiosity, which BE schools does the UH president have relationships with and which schools from the BE sent letters of congratulation?

She was the provost and senior vice president at South Florida. So, yeah, we can be sure one of those letters came from South Florida.

It is a certainty that they would have sent a letter due to her previous position being at South Florida, even if Houston was not an expansion candidate.

Well, u may very well be right, and people like myself may be a bit more delusional about this than we should. But it sure doesn't hurt that she does happen to be running the show here in H-Town

(05-01-2011 08:43 PM)CougarFan89 Wrote:  

(05-01-2011 08:37 PM)moron Wrote:  

(05-01-2011 08:30 PM)miko33 Wrote:  Out of curiosity, which BE schools does the UH president have relationships with and which schools from the BE sent letters of congratulation?

She was the provost and senior vice president at South Florida. So, yeah, we can be sure one of those letters came from South Florida.

It is a certainty that they would have sent a letter due to her previous position being at South Florida, even if Houston was not an expansion candidate.

Well, u may very well be right, and people like myself may be a bit more delusional about this than we should. But it sure doesn't hurt that she does happen to be running the show here in H-Town

You may be a bit more or a lot more delusional. The jury is still out. It makes little sense to make tenuous assumptions and treat them as facts.

(05-02-2011 10:29 AM)miko33 Wrote:  

(05-01-2011 08:43 PM)CougarFan89 Wrote:  

(05-01-2011 08:37 PM)moron Wrote:  

(05-01-2011 08:30 PM)miko33 Wrote:  Out of curiosity, which BE schools does the UH president have relationships with and which schools from the BE sent letters of congratulation?

She was the provost and senior vice president at South Florida. So, yeah, we can be sure one of those letters came from South Florida.

It is a certainty that they would have sent a letter due to her previous position being at South Florida, even if Houston was not an expansion candidate.

Well, u may very well be right, and people like myself may be a bit more delusional about this than we should. But it sure doesn't hurt that she does happen to be running the show here in H-Town

You may be a bit more or a lot more delusional. The jury is still out. It makes little sense to make tenuous assumptions and treat them as facts.

Nobody's making tenuous assumptions about anything. Just making a point that there are numerous things that prove that the academic factor is more than likely a wash wrt most of the candidates. The candidates whose names you keep hearing are clearly candidates for a good reason. If jml can always say negative things about UH at every opportunity, then why can't i stand up and defend ourselves with actual facts and events that have occured that speak loudly against his water-hose-like garbage spewing?

(05-02-2011 10:42 AM)CougarFan89 Wrote:  If jml can always say negative things about UH at every opportunity, then why can't i stand up and defend ourselves with actual facts and events that have occured that speak loudly against his water-hose-like garbage spewing?

Dude, read the thread. He hasn't been attacking UH at all in it. He just thinks SMU is a better option. I don't think that qualifies as "water-hose-like-garbage spewing."

It's not a crime to think Houston is not a good expansion candidate. Stop treating it like one.